Gillibrand - women in combat

[New Corda]

I'd strongly support this. My nation's military is integrated, and we prefer females in many roles, such as sniping or recon patrols, because they're more patient and less hot-headed then men, and better rifle shots besides.

[Srboslavija]

I'm not racist against women, but if you've ever seen a female police officer try to arrest a person who is resisting - you'll appreciate that gender equality in certain type of roles is like communism... only good in theory, lol.

[New Corda]

I'm not racist against women, but if you've ever seen a female police officer try to arrest a person who is resisting - you'll appreciate that gender equality in certain type of roles is like communism... only good in theory, lol.

Last time I checked, women are not a race...

[Ovisterra]

I'm not racist against women, but if you've ever seen a female police officer try to arrest a person who is resisting - you'll appreciate that gender equality in certain type of roles is like communism... only good in theory, lol.

You can't be "racist against women", but you can be "sexist". An example of sexism would be exactly what you just posted.

[Srboslavija]

My bad guys. For what it's worth - American isn't my native language.

[Ovisterra]

My bad guys. For what it's worth - American isn't my native language.

It's not anyone's native language, because it's not a language.

[New Corda]

My bad guys. For what it's worth - American isn't my native language.

[Ifreann]

I'm not racist against women,

What those guys said.

but if you've ever seen a female police officer try to arrest a person who is resisting - you'll appreciate that gender equality in certain type of roles is like communism... only good in theory, lol.

And just how many times have you seen someone successfully resist arrest by a female police officer but fail to do so under comparable circumstances with a male police officer?

[Srboslavija]

Sorry, I'm doing the best I can with Google Translate, sometimes words come out comedian.

And just how many times have you seen someone successfully resist arrest by a female police officer but fail to do so under comparable circumstances with a male police officer?

Well I don't have the exact stats on me, and any specific research into such a topic would probably be shut down due to being politically incorrect - but it would be safe to assume the successful arrest ratio between male/female officers would be staggering. That's just a physical reality for certain roles.

[Genivaria]

As long as they have to sign up for the draft as well.

There shouldn't even be a fucking draft.

[Ovisterra]

Sorry, I'm doing the best I can with Google Translate, sometimes words come out comedian.

And Rick Santorum is a reasonable, friendly person. You're trolling.

And just how many times have you seen someone successfully resist arrest by a female police officer but fail to do so under comparable circumstances with a male police officer?

Well I don't have the exact stats on me, and any specific research into such a topic would probably be shut down due to being politically incorrect - but it would be safe to assume the successful arrest ratio between male/female officers would be staggering. That's just a physical reality for certain roles.

Unless you have stats, we can't believe you.

[Ifreann]

Sorry, I'm doing the best I can with Google Translate, sometimes words come out comedian.

And just how many times have you seen someone successfully resist arrest by a female police officer but fail to do so under comparable circumstances with a male police officer?

Well I don't have the exact stats on me, and any specific research into such a topic would probably be shut down due to being politically incorrect - but it would be safe to assume the successful arrest ratio between male/female officers would be staggering. That's just a physical reality for certain roles.

If there is no research into the area then it most certainly is not safe to assume that at all. Indeed, without any evidence to the contrary I would be much more likely to assume that female police officers, having received the same training and passed the same tests, and using the same equipment, would be just as capable of arresting a resisting suspect as their male colleagues.

[Northern Dominus]

Sorry, I'm doing the best I can with Google Translate, sometimes words come out comedian.

And just how many times have you seen someone successfully resist arrest by a female police officer but fail to do so under comparable circumstances with a male police officer?

Well I don't have the exact stats on me, and any specific research into such a topic would probably be shut down due to being politically incorrect - but it would be safe to assume the successful arrest ratio between male/female officers would be staggering. That's just a physical reality for certain roles.

Right...if only they developed a device that directed a current of electricity into a violent subject that would incapacitate them....or another device that sprays a chemical derived from very hot chili peppers that would blind violent subjects and interfere with their breathing... why that would equalize everything wouldn't it? Then it wouldn't matter how big the other guy is, once they would get nailed by these theoretical devices and chemicals they would be pretty compliant no matter how big they are!

[Ifreann]

Sorry, I'm doing the best I can with Google Translate, sometimes words come out comedian.



Well I don't have the exact stats on me, and any specific research into such a topic would probably be shut down due to being politically incorrect - but it would be safe to assume the successful arrest ratio between male/female officers would be staggering. That's just a physical reality for certain roles.

Right...if only they developed a device that directed a current of electricity into a violent subject that would incapacitate them....or another device that sprays a chemical derived from very hot chili peppers that would blind violent subjects and interfere with their breathing... why that would equalize everything wouldn't it? Then it wouldn't matter how big the other guy is, once they would get nailed by these theoretical devices and chemicals they would be pretty compliant no matter how big they are!

Those are good, but I've been toying with the notion of using small amounts of explosive powder to propel metal slugs(or "bullets") at considerable speeds. I suspect that such a thing could be pretty good at killing fuckers, should the need arise.

[Northern Dominus]

Right...if only they developed a device that directed a current of electricity into a violent subject that would incapacitate them....or another device that sprays a chemical derived from very hot chili peppers that would blind violent subjects and interfere with their breathing... why that would equalize everything wouldn't it? Then it wouldn't matter how big the other guy is, once they would get nailed by these theoretical devices and chemicals they would be pretty compliant no matter how big they are!

Those are good, but I've been toying with the notion of using small amounts of explosive powder to propel metal slugs(or "bullets") at considerable speeds. I suspect that such a thing could be pretty good at killing fuckers, should the need arise.

Wow, that's a great idea! Better yet, they could come in different shapes as well! Maybe some could be designed to impart a lot of velocity and force into a subject but still be small enough to fit in a compact mechanism to propel these "bullets", and perhaps some can be shaped to be more streamlined and be backed by more explosive powder so that they could defeat potential protective efforts!

I think you're onto something here.

[Genivaria]

Right...if only they developed a device that directed a current of electricity into a violent subject that would incapacitate them....or another device that sprays a chemical derived from very hot chili peppers that would blind violent subjects and interfere with their breathing... why that would equalize everything wouldn't it? Then it wouldn't matter how big the other guy is, once they would get nailed by these theoretical devices and chemicals they would be pretty compliant no matter how big they are!

Those are good, but I've been toying with the notion of using small amounts of explosive powder to propel metal slugs(or "bullets") at considerable speeds. I suspect that such a thing could be pretty good at killing fuckers, should the need arise.

^The thoughts of the original gunsmith.

[Srboslavija]

If there is no research into the area then it most certainly is not safe to assume that at all. Indeed, without any evidence to the contrary I would be much more likely to assume that female police officers, having received the same training and passed the same tests, and using the same equipment, would be just as capable of arresting a resisting suspect as their male colleagues.

In my country we have thing called 'Laws of Physics' which may help solve your doubts. Basically, the physical disposition between men and women (we call it 'genetics') provides the physical advantage needed in such roles (ie apprehending a suspect, or operating a tank). Reading a textbook or doing push-ups can help only so much in a real life situation.

I mean no offence comrade, and if it's any consolation I think women are much ahead of men in terms of intellectual ability and physical attractiveness.

[Northern Dominus]

See here's the issue with the more mysoginist punidts here. The problem is that women in combat gear look like this:
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and this:
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but not like this:
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Apparently if women aren't wearing something skimpy while shooting something then it's emasculating. Which is bullshit of course but there you go, there's the argument.

Fellas who are about to post otherwise, take it from me; women are just as capable of men, and the women who enlist or receive commissions and serve are probably braver, and therefore better, than you.

I never saw anyone make that claim.

That form of misogyny is what this entire argument boils down to, pretty much. You can throw as many facts and examples as you want at people who believe that women shouldn't be able to undertake any combat-oriented MOS in the US Military, but in the end they're stuck in this preconception that women are the "fairer sex" in the old inequitable view IE lesser in strength and mental forititude, dainty etc.
Look at the first two pictures. Do any of those women look dainty, willowy, or any other limp-wristed honorific? I'd say not, they look just as confident and focused as any male in their position. That is the reality of women in the military; they're just as capable and not allowing them to serve in combat roles is marginalization, period.

[Ifreann]

If there is no research into the area then it most certainly is not safe to assume that at all. Indeed, without any evidence to the contrary I would be much more likely to assume that female police officers, having received the same training and passed the same tests, and using the same equipment, would be just as capable of arresting a resisting suspect as their male colleagues.

In my country we have thing called 'Laws of Physics' which may help solve your doubts. Basically, the physical disposition between men and women (we call it 'genetics') provides the physical advantage needed in such roles (ie apprehending a suspect, or operating a tank).

In the rest of the world, we have individuals. You see, no matter what the averages may be, not every man is stronger than every woman.

Reading a textbook or doing push-ups can help only so much in a real life situation.

And if that's how the police are trained to arrest people in your country then I'd be amazed if they ever managed to arrest anyone.

I mean no offence comrade, and if it's any consolation I think women are much ahead of men in terms of intellectual ability and physical attractiveness.

It's only further evidence of your sexist attitudes, not a consolation.

[Souseiseki]

I'm not racist against women, but if you've ever seen a female police officer try to arrest a person who is resisting - you'll appreciate that gender equality in certain type of roles is like communism... only good in theory, lol.

i have

she beat the shit out of him (p.s. there's a reason police are pretty much never alone)

well that was fast

next point please

[Srboslavija]

I'm not racist against women, but if you've ever seen a female police officer try to arrest a person who is resisting - you'll appreciate that gender equality in certain type of roles is like communism... only good in theory, lol.

i have

she beat the shit out of him (p.s. there's a reason police are pretty much never alone)

well that was fast

next point please

I believe the whole point of police training is the ability to subdue a suspect without the use of excess force, rather through proper technique. It requires a certain amount of physical exertion which favors a particular sex.

However in regards to OP, with all the advances in robotics and drone technology, women will play a crucial role in the armies of tomorrow. And that's something we can all embrace.

[Mosasauria]

I see no reason why women shouldn't be on combat duty, all I see is a lot of misogynist attitudes, mostly from people who need to prove their manliness by never allowing a woman to do things better.

[The UK in Exile]

I never saw anyone make that claim.

That form of misogyny is what this entire argument boils down to, pretty much. You can throw as many facts and examples as you want at people who believe that women shouldn't be able to undertake any combat-oriented MOS in the US Military, but in the end they're stuck in this preconception that women are the "fairer sex" in the old inequitable view IE lesser in strength and mental forititude, dainty etc.
Look at the first two pictures. Do any of those women look dainty, willowy, or any other limp-wristed honorific? I'd say not, they look just as confident and focused as any male in their position. That is the reality of women in the military; they're just as capable and not allowing them to serve in combat roles is marginalization, period.

well they did insist on bringing their handbags...

[Neutraligon]

i have

she beat the shit out of him (p.s. there's a reason police are pretty much never alone)

well that was fast

next point please

I believe the whole point of police training is the ability to subdue a suspect without the use of excess force, rather through proper technique. It requires a certain amount of physical exertion which favors a particular sex.

However in regards to OP, with all the advances in robotics and drone technology, women will play a crucial role in the armies of tomorrow. And that's something we can all embrace.

What was that show again...policewoman of where???

[Northern Dominus]

I see no reason why women shouldn't be on combat duty, all I see is a lot of misogynist attitudes, mostly from people who need to prove their manliness by never allowing a woman to do things better.

And the funny part is most of the e-pundits here probably wouldn't be able to pass basic if they did managed to score high enough on the ASVAB.