Question about Gay Hate

[Varanidae]

Hey NSG, I'm not sure if this was posted before, so I wanna say this now.

If you've never met a gay person before...

If you've never seen a gay marriage / married couple before...

If you've never talked to a gay person before...

If they have 0 impact on your life...

Then why are people banning gay marriage?

Also, I'm not gay, I do believe that if they want to do something, let them. They aren't doing anything harmful to you.

Also, any argument like "because the bible said so" "because its unnatural" "because think of the children" "because they roonin da fewtur of amerikaaaa" will be ignored.

[Khadgar]

We have a thread for this. It's on the first page.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=179016

[Grenartia]

We have a thread for this. It's on the first page.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=179016

That thread is locked. And this thread is more about hatred than anything.

On topic: Personally, I think because they find the thought of two dudes to be icky, and think that lesbians are hawt, but will eventually find the right man for themselves.

Plus, I've heard several people state that LGBTs have the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex, so they're not being denied any rights.

So simple ignorance as well.

[Artanili Datium]

Ignorance is bliss.

Most racist people have barely met any minorities.

Most homophobes have never met any homosexuals.

Blind hate pretty much.

[G O P]

Also, any argument like "because the bible said so" "because its unnatural" "because think of the children" "because they roonin da fewtur of amerikaaaa" will be ignored.

Hey You cant do that! Thats all of my material!

[Camelza]

the human race must become more colourful,more respectfull of each own self
..being gay,black,white,asian,handicapped,a male or a female or a bi,Canadian or Vietnamese it doesn't matter,the only think that matters is to find a way all together to enjoy this wonderful earth we live in with our friends

enough with the gray tyrrany of hatred!

[Utopia FTW]

Hey NSG, I'm not sure if this was posted before, so I wanna say this now.

If you've never met a gay person before...

If you've never seen a gay marriage / married couple before...

If you've never talked to a gay person before...

If they have 0 impact on your life...

Then why are people banning gay marriage?

Also, I'm not gay, I do believe that if they want to do something, let them. They aren't doing anything harmful to you.

Also, any argument like "because the bible said so" "because its unnatural" "because think of the children" "because they roonin da fewtur of amerikaaaa" will be ignored.

How could anybody not have seen, or met or talked to or otherwise interacted with teh gayz?
Ah, maybe if they live in Iran. There's no gays in Iran.

[Grenartia]

Hey NSG, I'm not sure if this was posted before, so I wanna say this now.

If you've never met a gay person before...

If you've never seen a gay marriage / married couple before...

If you've never talked to a gay person before...

If they have 0 impact on your life...

Then why are people banning gay marriage?

Also, I'm not gay, I do believe that if they want to do something, let them. They aren't doing anything harmful to you.

Also, any argument like "because the bible said so" "because its unnatural" "because think of the children" "because they roonin da fewtur of amerikaaaa" will be ignored.

How could anybody not have seen, or met or talked to or otherwise interacted with teh gayz?
Ah, maybe if they live in Iran. There's no gays in Iran.

In many parts of the South, its possible to not know of an openly gay person.

Also, any argument like "because the bible said so" "because its unnatural" "because think of the children" "because they roonin da fewtur of amerikaaaa" will be ignored.

Hey You cant do that! Thats all of my material!

Your 'material' is overused and full of logical fallacies. If you're going to campaign against LGBT rights, then at least make it entertaining for us and give an original argument.

[Laerod]

Hey NSG, I'm not sure if this was posted before, so I wanna say this now.

If you've never met a gay person before...

If you've never seen a gay marriage / married couple before...

If you've never talked to a gay person before...

If they have 0 impact on your life...

Then why are people banning gay marriage?

Also, I'm not gay, I do believe that if they want to do something, let them. They aren't doing anything harmful to you.

Also, any argument like "because the bible said so" "because its unnatural" "because think of the children" "because they roonin da fewtur of amerikaaaa" will be ignored.

How could anybody not have seen, or met or talked to or otherwise interacted with teh gayz?
Ah, maybe if they live in Iran. There's no gays in Iran. :geek:

I know you're paraphrasing Ahmadinejerk there, but technically it's a lot easier to spot some gays in Iran, as the interpretation of the Quran they follow actually allows for sex changes and some gays engage in this to deal with their misery.

[Dermastina]

Basically, the underlying reason is that people feel instinctually that it's wrong, due to the fact they're not gay themselves. This then translates to them expressing this idea, and over time it becomes a part of society. Since people then grow up in a society that agrees with this idea, they become adults with never having had to test or question this belief.

At this stage, it'd take a huge amount of undeniable evidence to change a persons mind, even if they were naturally open-minded. Since the society in which they live simply does not provide this evidence in any way, shape or form, they have no reason to change their beliefs.

This can be evidenced in the fact that even in these societies, when a close family member becomes gay, people have been known to rapidly change their opinions on the matter. This is because they've been forced to think about it from a point of view where it would be a good thing, given as a loved one is themselves gay.

That said, in situations where people either do not think about it, or take the council of a member of society who's view has not been challenged, then this can often lead to them attempting to 'fix' the family member, or break their ties to them due to personal fear of what may happen if they continue those ties.

So yeah. It's sort of a complicated process, but not an illogical one.

EDIT: Also, please don't confuse transgenderism with being gay. That's a whole different thing. Being gay has no bearing on your gender identity.

[Hallistar]

I don't know many gays irl, nor do I really think about homosexuality, but i just dont see why they can't have a civil marriage instead of just a civil union. In regards to the whole 'man on man is disgusting but woman on woman is hot', I don't think about gays having sex and I really wouldn't want to, so i guess as long as everyone minds their own business, theres no problem.

[Samuraikoku]

In real life (excluding the Internet, where I know many more) I know about... *counts*... five, gay people - at least that I know of, if no one else has come out - and I didn't particularly care about their sexual orientation when we studied together in high school; much less now. I wasn't anti-gay before gay marriage was legalized in Argentina, and two years removed from that, I have still yet to find something that will make me hate them. I don't know gay married couples unfortunately, but I find no reason to believe there's anything wrong with gay marriage.

(On a side note about transgenderism - since it was brought up -, last week a law was passed entitling transgendered people to change their name and gender in the ID without requiring a judge's consent, and not only that, but their health insurance must cover the costs of the gender change operation; which I find to be great).

[Campinia]

Gay marriage?
Over here we just call it marriage.

[Andoraubia]

I am bi so I am in favor of same sex marriage.

[Divair]

It seems like we have a new same sex marriage thread every other day..

But to make my post relevant: No, I'm not against same sex marriage. It's a pretty basic right that everyone should have. I'd prefer it if there were no marriages recognized by the government and everything was done through civil unions, but if we're going to have marriage, we should ALL be able to get married if it is between two or more consensual adults.

[Ifreann]

It seems like we have a new same sex marriage thread every other day..

If they love gay marriage so much then why don't they gay marry it?







Oh right.....

[Laerod]

I am bi so I am in favor of same sex marriage.

Wouldn't it be better to be in favor because it's the right thing to do rather than because one's orientation stands to benefit? While the reasoning isn't inherentyl wrong, it does imply that opposing it isn't an incorrect position to hold if one is straight.

[Apollonesia]

Most racist people have barely met any minorities.

Most homophobes have never met any homosexuals.

Evidence?

[Divair]

I am bi so I am in favor of same sex marriage.

Wouldn't it be better to be in favor because it's the right thing to do rather than because one's orientation stands to benefit? While the reasoning isn't inherentyl wrong, it does imply that opposing it isn't an incorrect position to hold if one is straight.

I think it is more of a statement of "well, duh, I kinda like my rights".

[Raeyh]

For me, it's a combination of resentment and spite.

Thinking about it, that's pretty much the only reason you would feel hatred for anyone.

[Andoraubia]

I am bi so I am in favor of same sex marriage.

[Aegypti]

I would consider it to be a combination of ignorance and religion that drives some people to hate LGBT rights, and sometimes LGBT people themselves. All that's needed to remedy this problem is a decent education and a desire for critical thought, but who am I to ask for something so difficult?

[NERVUN]

You're assuming hatred is rational.

I haven't actually noticed that it is.

[Grenartia]

but who am I to ask for something so difficult?

A reasonable person with a brain. I'm throughly convinced that working in the governement requires a total lack of critical thinking skills.

[SaintB]

It doesn't fit in people's neat little box of what they want reality to be (or what they have been brainwashed into believing reality is by people who forget Leave it to Beaver was fiction) so they despise it.