The American Civil War

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Wow. I am not easily offended, but you calling my ancestors serpentine traitors really, really did.

yeah, their not traitors, lincoln pardoned them.

That makes me feel better.

[The UK in Exile]

yeah, their not traitors, lincoln pardoned them.

That makes me feel better.

your welcome.

[Italicia]

I would fight for the CSA, I would fight for anyone but Lincoln, I would fight for the Indians slaughtering innocent white people if it meant Lincoln wouldnt have won. Lincoln was one of the worst people in history and I would fight against him and his spitting on the constitution.

Worst people in history? He obliterated Slavery, making way for African-American rights, and thus, a EQUAL world, since you're so obviously a Communist, I would've though you would agree with one of THE BEST PRESIDENTS IN UNITED STATES HISTORY.

And the Indians slaughtering innocent white people? Get out, get the fuck out right now.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Aren't you a woman?

You were wrong about the South being in the right about secession, too.

Ifreann apparently not being a woman: Ok then. I stand corrected.

Southern secession: I do not admit being wrong, as that would be lying.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Wow. I am not easily offended, but you calling my ancestors serpentine traitors really, really did.

All rebels are traitors, and the Confederacy was a den of serpentine traitors. Being a traitor is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Confederacy was a bad thing to its core.

[Aleckandor]

Wow. I am not easily offended, but you calling my ancestors serpentine traitors really, really did.

All rebels are traitors, and the Confederacy was a den of serpentine traitors. Being a traitor is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Confederacy was a bad thing to its core.

Statement Irrelevant To Topic: I used the highlighted phrase in my earlier post concerning the music of the war. =3

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I would fight for the CSA, I would fight for anyone but Lincoln, I would fight for the Indians slaughtering innocent white people if it meant Lincoln wouldnt have won. Lincoln was one of the worst people in history and I would fight against him and his spitting on the constitution.

Worst people in history? He obliterated Slavery, making way for African-American rights, and thus, a EQUAL world, since you're so obviously a Communist, I would've though you would agree with one of THE BEST PRESIDENTS IN UNITED STATES HISTORY.

And the Indians slaughtering innocent white people? Get out, get the fuck out right now.

Did you miss the extremely racist quotes that have been posted in this thread at least twice? Lincoln being a racist is undeniable, and all intelligent Northern historians admit it. We are mainly debating the legality of secession.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Wow. I am not easily offended, but you calling my ancestors serpentine traitors really, really did.

All rebels are traitors, and the Confederacy was a den of serpentine traitors. Being a traitor is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Confederacy was a bad thing to its core.

I do not see how being a traitor is not a bad thing.

The Confederates were not traitors. They were loyal to their States.

[Aleckandor]

The Confederates were not traitors. They were loyal to their States.

Sure, but in the eyes of the Fed, they obviously were.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Statement Irrelevant To Topic

Bullshit. The Confeds were serpentine traitors. How is that relevant to the topic?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The Confederates were not traitors. They were loyal to their States.

Sure, but in the eyes of the Fed, they obviously were.

And? I could call the Canadian Mounties traitors, but that doesn't make it so.

[Aleckandor]

Statement Irrelevant To Topic

Bullshit. The Confeds were serpentine traitors. How is that relevant to the topic?

Apparently, you didn't read the 'irrelavant statement' and just went for the subtitle to that.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I do not see how being a traitor is not a bad thing.

Not shedding blood for a cause you don't believe in is hardly bad.

The Confederates were not traitors. They were loyal to their States.

They betrayed their rightful Federal Government, turning their backs to fight for the slave-holding South. They were traitors in the very sense of the word.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Bullshit. The Confeds were serpentine traitors. How is that relevant to the topic?

Apparently, you didn't read the 'irrelavant statement' and just went for the subtitle to that.

I read it. However, you made it sound like my post was irrelevant to the topic. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Aleckandor]

Sure, but in the eyes of the Fed, they obviously were.

And? I could call the Canadian Mounties traitors, but that doesn't make it so.

Well, to put it in simple terms (excuse my middle school logic), the South seceded from the Union. The Union's government did not appreciate this and the crises eventually escalated into armed conflict between the two factions, and hence, the South being 'rebels' and 'traitors' to the Union and not to themselves in the least.

[Aleckandor]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

It's all good, no worries.

I usually find myself in that situation 99.9% of the time whenever I post on NSG.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I do not see how being a traitor is not a bad thing.

Not shedding blood for a cause you don't believe in is hardly bad.

The Confederates were not traitors. They were loyal to their States.

They betrayed their rightful Federal Government, turning their backs to fight for the slave-holding South. They were traitors in the very sense of the word.

"trai·tor/ˈtrātər/
Noun:
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc."

Nope, don't see how. They were loyal to their countries/States.

[Fradonia]

While I, in no way, endorse slavery, I do support indentured servitude, which the Union didnt, and also sort of liked the idea of a southern confederacy. Plus Lee was a bette person overall than Grant, (he actually released ALL his slaves 3 years before the war started, while Grant realeased his long after the war.) I still cannot say I wouldve supported the Confederacy, (because of the slavery) but I wouldnt have supported the Union either. (Because their just dumb.)

I wouldnt have fought for any of them, since I'm not a military person.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And? I could call the Canadian Mounties traitors, but that doesn't make it so.

Well, to put it in simple terms (excuse my middle school logic), the South seceded from the Union. The Union's government did not appreciate this and the crises eventually escalated into armed conflict between the two factions, and hence, the South being 'rebels' and 'traitors' to the Union and not to themselves in the least.

If Germany left the European Union, that would make them traitors to the Union?

[The Nuclear Fist]

"trai·tor/ˈtrātər/
Noun:
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc."

Nope, don't see how. They were loyal to their countries/States.

They betrayed the United States of America. They disavowed all loyalty to the rightful United States government in order to found their own nation. That is the act of a traitor.

[Aleckandor]

Well, to put it in simple terms (excuse my middle school logic), the South seceded from the Union. The Union's government did not appreciate this and the crises eventually escalated into armed conflict between the two factions, and hence, the South being 'rebels' and 'traitors' to the Union and not to themselves in the least.

If Germany left the European Union, that would make them traitors to the Union?

If the EU was an integrated superstate, then yes, it would make them traitors. But given that it's still just a socioecomonic pact, then no.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

While I, in no way, endorse slavery, I do support indentured servitude, which the Union didnt, and also sort of liked the idea of a southern confederacy. Plus Lee was a bette person overall than Grant, (he actually released ALL his slaves 3 years before the war started, while Grant realeased his long after the war.) I still cannot say I wouldve supported the Confederacy, (because of the slavery) but I wouldnt have supported the Union either. (Because their just dumb.)

I wouldnt have fought for any of them, since I'm not a military person.

Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri, D.C., Maryland, Delaware. All were slave states, stayed in the Union, and only abolished slavery after the fourteenth amendment.

[Farnhamia]

Well, to put it in simple terms (excuse my middle school logic), the South seceded from the Union. The Union's government did not appreciate this and the crises eventually escalated into armed conflict between the two factions, and hence, the South being 'rebels' and 'traitors' to the Union and not to themselves in the least.

If Germany left the European Union, that would make them traitors to the Union?

The European Union is not a sovereign nation, which you know. I do find the lengths to which Neo-Confederates will go in order to justify treason amusing.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If Germany left the European Union, that would make them traitors to the Union?

Is it a lawful secession that everyone agrees on?

[Wikkiwallana]

Not shedding blood for a cause you don't believe in is hardly bad.


They betrayed their rightful Federal Government, turning their backs to fight for the slave-holding South. They were traitors in the very sense of the word.

"trai·tor/ˈtrātər/
Noun:
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc."

Nope, don't see how. They were loyal to their countries/States.

The states weren't separate countries and they were not loyal to the actual country.