Execution or suicide?

[Galloism]

Well... apart from my usual considerations about DP being antiethical, I think that he should be allowed to commit suicide, in the way he prefers, and even with eventual help from medical personnel.
What changes, after all? He's going to die anyway.

I think prisoners should be allowed to pick how they're murdered. They could have a run the gauntlet thing going on, you could sell the TV rights, it'd be great.

I know that the tv would buy such a thing... but it's definitely obscene - and also socially dangerous, as it would trigger emulation.

We could give them incentive. If they run the gauntlet successfully, we could grant them a choice - they get to pick the date and method of execution, or have their sentence commuted to life in prison if that is their choice.

Then, we sell the rights to TV stations. Profit!

[Douchebaggerry]

We could give them incentive. If they run the gauntlet successfully, we could grant them a choice - they get to pick the date and method of execution, or have their sentence commuted to life in prison if that is their choice.

Then, we sell the rights to TV stations. Profit!

Genius. Genius. We need crocodiles and scorpions, I think.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well... apart from my usual considerations about DP being antiethical, I think that he should be allowed to commit suicide, in the way he prefers, and even with eventual help from medical personnel.
What changes, after all? He's going to die anyway.

I think prisoners should be allowed to pick how they're murdered. They could have a run the gauntlet thing going on, you could sell the TV rights, it'd be great.

I know that the tv would buy such a thing... but it's definitely obscene - and also socially dangerous, as it would trigger emulation.

We could give them incentive. If they run the gauntlet successfully, we could grant them a choice - they get to pick the date and method of execution, or have their sentence commuted to life in prison if that is their choice.

Then, we sell the rights to TV stations. Profit!

Your mind... scares me so much that I... need to respect it.

[Galloism]

Your mind... scares me so much that I... need to respect it.

Of course, I feel that we should allow all prisoners that option if they want it - not just death row inmates.

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[Douchebaggerry]

Of course, I feel that we should allow all prisoners that option if they want it - not just death row inmates.

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What, they get to run a gauntlet which they may or may not survive, to have their sentence commuted to life or the method of execution of their choice? Yeah can't see many people going for that mate.

[Galloism]

Of course, I feel that we should allow all prisoners that option if they want it - not just death row inmates.

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What, they get to run a gauntlet which they may or may not survive, to have their sentence commuted to life or the method of execution of their choice? Yeah can't see many people going for that mate.

If I had life in prison w/o parole, I'd run the gauntlet to get my decided method of execution.

I would also decide on a method of execution that is ridiculously complicated and then try to escape during its execution.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Of course, I feel that we should allow all prisoners that option if they want it - not just death row inmates.

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What, they get to run a gauntlet which they may or may not survive, to have their sentence commuted to life or the method of execution of their choice? Yeah can't see many people going for that mate.

I think Galloism here is suggesting a game show. With machines like the one Lancelot had to run through on the Sean Connery "King Arthur" version.

[Galloism]

Of course, I feel that we should allow all prisoners that option if they want it - not just death row inmates.

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What, they get to run a gauntlet which they may or may not survive, to have their sentence commuted to life or the method of execution of their choice? Yeah can't see many people going for that mate.

I think Galloism here is suggesting a game show. With machines like the one Lancelot had to run through on the Sean Connery "King Arthur" version.

Well, that did come to mind. However, the gauntlet must be changed regularly or people will know how to run it.

[Douchebaggerry]

If I had life in prison w/o parole, I'd run the gauntlet to get my decided method of execution.

I would also decide on a method of execution that is ridiculously complicated and then try to escape during its execution.

You said "all prisoner." To me that means all prisoners.

[Galloism]

If I had life in prison w/o parole, I'd run the gauntlet to get my decided method of execution.

I would also decide on a method of execution that is ridiculously complicated and then try to escape during its execution.

You said "all prisoner." To me that means all prisoners.

Same applies if I were sentenced in such a way that I won't get out for at least 2 decades. I'd run the gauntlet, get a ridiculously complicated method of execution, and then try to escape.

It should just be an option if anyone wants it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Of course, I feel that we should allow all prisoners that option if they want it - not just death row inmates.

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What, they get to run a gauntlet which they may or may not survive, to have their sentence commuted to life or the method of execution of their choice? Yeah can't see many people going for that mate.

I think Galloism here is suggesting a game show. With machines like the one Lancelot had to run through on the Sean Connery "King Arthur" version.

Well, that did come to mind. However, the gauntlet must be changed regularly or people will know how to run it.

I want to be the talkshow hostess!!


*scurries away*

[United Technocrats]

Imagine the following scenario :
A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

I do not support capital punishment. Suicide, however, was historically practiced in many cultures, from Japan (seppuku) to Europe:
"Contrary to views in the Judaeo-Christian world, Graeco-Roman attitudes toward suicide held that it could be acceptable under certain circumstances. While some condemned it, such as the Pythagoreans, suicide most often occurred when one’s honor was irretrievably lost, and the individual confronted great public shame. It could also be associated with political protest, if one refused submission to tyrannical authorities." ... "Some scholars believe suicide was fairly commonplace in the Greek and Roman world, at least up through the Early Imperial period." ... "During the second century B.C.E., compulsory suicide became the preferred method of execution for the Roman elite. Eschewing imprisonment and a public trial, white-collar criminals were allowed to return to their families with the stipulation that they would kill themselves within one day. This provided the convicted a dignified, private death befitting his/her class."

The main issue with the granting of this request is, well, that there's no way of proving without a doubt that this prisoner is innocent, despite him maintaining such claim.
In any case, I would grant him the option of suicide. This person is going to die anyway, at least let him die the way he chooses.

I agree with the first part. For the second, I wouldn't allow capital punishment anyway.

So a girl or a boy outside the prison, who received the sack of the other party, should have this right too?
Because some think 'I wanna die, because I've no life anymore without him/her'.

This is a complex issue. Depression can lead to suicidal behaviour, and this should be treated. We have good medications for that, nowadays, such as SSRIs. However, if a person is not mentally ill, he should be given the sole responsibility to decide what he wants to do with his life. The State assumes the right to send its citizens to wars (and die in the process), so why would the right to decide about one's own life be denied to the person whose body it is?

Besides the external one, everyone has his own internal value system by which he has the right to make a decision regarding his own body and life. If someone feels that his own life lost its value and no longer has any meaning because, as you stated, he/she "received the sack of the other party", he should be allowed to act on that belief. The society should not impose values of this kind upon anybody. Put simply, that "other party" can be the most important thing in someone's life and he may not want to press on without it. Why would someone die for his country, or his ideals, but not for some other person, or after, for example, he lost his entire family in an accident? It ultimately depends on where he places his own values. Care must be taken, however, when discussing immature people, such as "boys" and "girls" in this context.

Finally, the issues of endangering others and painful suicide are no longer meaningful. We have very effective chemical compounds for facilitating a painless suicide, such as sodium thiopental and the like.

[Douchebaggerry]

Same applies if I were sentenced in such a way that I won't get out for at least 2 decades. I'd run the gauntlet, get a ridiculously complicated method of execution, and then try to escape.

It should just be an option if anyone wants it.

I think for people with sentences that are 25 years or less, if they can run the gauntlet they get their sentenced reduced by a quarter.

[Galloism]

Same applies if I were sentenced in such a way that I won't get out for at least 2 decades. I'd run the gauntlet, get a ridiculously complicated method of execution, and then try to escape.

It should just be an option if anyone wants it.

I think for people with sentences that are 25 years or death, if they can run the gauntlet they get their sentenced reduced by a quarter.

So they'll only be 3/4 (or, mostly) dead?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The main issue with the granting of this request is, well, that there's no way of proving without a doubt that this prisoner is innocent, despite him maintaining such claim.
In any case, I would grant him the option of suicide. This person is going to die anyway, at least let him die the way he chooses.

I agree with the first part. For the second, I wouldn't allow capital punishment anyway.

I have conflicting emotions when it comes to the capital punishment. If one of my loved ones was on death row I know I would oppose it. But if I lose someone dear to me and the assassin was on death row... I don't know how to make up my mind on this.

[Douchebaggerry]

So they'll only be 3/4 (or, mostly) dead?

Meant to say 25 years or less, sorry.

[Tunizcha]

So they'll only be 3/4 (or, mostly) dead?

Meant to say 25 years or less, sorry.

Imagine if you were the judge.

[Ordo Mallus]

if he was found 100% guilty let him cry himself to sleep at night

[Jenrak]

While I am not in favour of the death penalty, there's a reason why suicide is not accepted as being an alternative to execution.

Sure, this person who committed crimes to be placed on death row might want to do it, but whether he has connections with his family is a different case. And that's the main fundamental issue to be discussed here. If a man requests to commit suicide, the state does not have the right to grant it as, given the basic value of suicide being illegal, it would be charged under the unlawful act of assisting suicide. This, as a result, can lead to lawsuits or high-levels of grievances from the family.

This is compounded by the (weaker) fact that should a man desire to commit suicide, it means that by law the government has an obligation to provide psychiatric support if there is evidence of suicidal behaviour (as in wanting to commit it), and such that could push back the date weeks down the road, causing financial problems and scheduling problems, as well as be completely inefficient.

[The_pantless_hero]

Imagine the following scenario :

A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

Suicide can't go. Else no-prisoners should have that right too. In most countries suicide is against the law and despite this, I'm aware that it doesn't stop a lot people. However, maybe if it's granted by law more people would maybe commit suicide.

There's a reason why suicide is unlawful, no?

And in movies, and probably only in movies, some guys are rescued when they are already sitting on their electric chair.

Attempted suicide should be punishable by death :nod:

[Bitchkitten]

Imagine the following scenario :

A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

Suicide can't go. Else no-prisoners should have that right too. In most countries suicide is against the law and despite this, I'm aware that it doesn't stop a lot people. However, maybe if it's granted by law more people would maybe commit suicide.

There's a reason why suicide is unlawful, no?

And in movies, and probably only in movies, some guys are rescued when they are already sitting on their electric chair.

I don't see how it being illegal deters any suicides. What are they going to do, arrest your corpse?

[Ordo Mallus]

I don't see how it being illegal deters any suicides. What are they going to do, arrest your corpse?

my thoughts exactly

[Kashindahar]

I don't see how it being illegal deters any suicides. What are they going to do, arrest your corpse?

I imagine that it deters some euthenasia(ees?), assuming that that isn't legal in the area that we're talking about.

[Alsatian Knights]

I'm an advocate of the death penalty.Nowadays there are DNA tests and such that can confirm to within 99% accuracy of the murderer. However I think other things should be taken into consideration, like the man who comes home early to find his brother sleeping with his wife and kills them both or just his brother. Maximum Sentence for that: a year at the most. A person rapes a child and there is irrefutable proof that he/she is the culprit, the sentence is immediate upon getting caught...he/she gets hanged yes thats right fucking hanged. I don't support lethal injection though, its just liquified gas getting pumped into somebody's body. However if the criminal wants to commit suicide as a last big FU to the world then so be it.

[Pritisakiah]

I'm an advocate of the death penalty.Nowadays there are DNA tests and such that can confirm to within 99% accuracy of the murderer. However I think other things should be taken into consideration, like the man who comes home early to find his brother sleeping with his wife and kills them both or just his brother. Maximum Sentence for that: a year at the most. A person rapes a child and there is irrefutable proof that he/she is the culprit, the sentence is immediate upon getting caught...he/she gets hanged yes thats right fucking hanged. I don't support lethal injection though, its just liquified gas getting pumped into somebody's body. However if the criminal wants to commit suicide as a last big FU to the world then so be it.

Even if that's true, which I'm not entirely sure it is, there are numerous other reasons to be opposed to the death penalty. Firstly, shouldn't the state be above such petty things as a desire for revenge? Shouldn't it try to rehabilitate murderers into valuable members of society? Secondly, isn't it hypocritical to condemn murder and then commit it on a murderer?(In the case of a rapist, I think it's even worse, as it's disproportionate). You didn't actually mention deterrents, but there's lots of evidence that it doesn't act effectively as a deterrent.