Execution or suicide?

[Hairless Kitten II]

Imagine the following scenario :

A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

The main issue with the granting of this request is, well, that there's no way of proving without a doubt that this prisoner is innocent, despite him maintaining such claim.

In any case, I would grant him the option of suicide. This person is going to die anyway, at least let him die the way he chooses.

So a girl or a boy outside the prison, who received the sack of the other party, should have this right too?

Because some think 'I wanna die, because I've no life anymore without him/her'.

If you grant permission to one group of people then you can't exclude others.

It would open Pandora's box.

[Douchebaggerry]

It would open Pandora's box.

Not really. Suicide is legal here and people aren't plummeting from buildings every 5 seconds.

[Hairless Kitten II]

No, it's not.

Whose decision is it then?

I don't know how it is arranged in other countries but here failed suicide patients are brought to a psychiatric clinic. A team of doctors decide when the patient is cured and can go home. Some are released after a few days, others stay in the clinic for months. There's no fixed rule on that one and depends on the patient and the doctors.

[Hairless Kitten II]

It would open Pandora's box.

Not really. Suicide is legal here and people aren't plummeting from buildings every 5 seconds.

Where is 'here'?

[Douchebaggerry]

Where is 'here'?

Englandia.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Imagine the following scenario :

A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

The main issue with the granting of this request is, well, that there's no way of proving without a doubt that this prisoner is innocent, despite him maintaining such claim.

In any case, I would grant him the option of suicide. This person is going to die anyway, at least let him die the way he chooses.

So a girl or a boy outside the prison, who received the sack of the other party, should have this right too?

Because some think 'I wanna die, because I've no life anymore without him/her'.

If you grant permission to one group of people then you can't exclude others.

It would open Pandora's box.

Reamark, on my post, on the word ''prisoner'', HK. You're using absurdism and reduction to just cause a ruckus, mate.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Where is 'here'?

Englandia.

It's not legal in UK. In UK suicide isn't criminalized anymore. That's not the same my friend.

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.as ... Id=1132509

Instead failed suicide people are brought to a specialized clinic, just like in Belgium. And this could lead to weird stuff like:

http://www.psychminded.co.uk/news/news2 ... bid005.htm

[Douchebaggerry]

It's not legal in UK. In UK suicide isn't criminalized anymore.

From the wiki link you provided earlier: "While the simple act of suicide is lawful"

And the England and Wales legal system =/= the UK's. Scotland and Northern both have different legal systems.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Imagine the following scenario :

A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

The main issue with the granting of this request is, well, that there's no way of proving without a doubt that this prisoner is innocent, despite him maintaining such claim.

In any case, I would grant him the option of suicide. This person is going to die anyway, at least let him die the way he chooses.

So a girl or a boy outside the prison, who received the sack of the other party, should have this right too?

Because some think 'I wanna die, because I've no life anymore without him/her'.

If you grant permission to one group of people then you can't exclude others.

It would open Pandora's box.

Reamark, on my post, on the word ''prisoner'', HK. You're using absurdism and reduction to just cause a ruckus, mate.

Ruckus? WTF is a ruckus?

I know one ruckus and that's a Honda

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Imagine the following scenario :

A prisoner on death row. He has, throughout his trial, maintained his innocence, but got sentenced anyway. He has filed for appeal several times, but unsuccessfully. He has now decided to give up appealing, and has instead asked to be allowed to commit suicide rather than being executed.

Do you think his request should be granted? Or should he be forced instead to wait for his scheduled execution?

The main issue with the granting of this request is, well, that there's no way of proving without a doubt that this prisoner is innocent, despite him maintaining such claim.

In any case, I would grant him the option of suicide. This person is going to die anyway, at least let him die the way he chooses.

So a girl or a boy outside the prison, who received the sack of the other party, should have this right too?

Because some think 'I wanna die, because I've no life anymore without him/her'.

If you grant permission to one group of people then you can't exclude others.

It would open Pandora's box.

Reamark, on my post, on the word ''prisoner'', HK. You're using absurdism and reduction to just cause a ruckus, mate.

Ruckus? WTF is a ruckus?

I know one ruckus and that's a Honda

Ruckus- a big scene, a brawl.
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/ruckus

[Hairless Kitten II]

Ruckus- a big scene, a brawl.
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/ruckus

Aaaaaaah! Ok, yes, I admit

[Tubbsalot]

While I have opinions on the topic I'm too tired to post them - the only reason I'm here now is to say that people saying "ruckus" and "mate" gives me a warm glow inside.

[Douchebaggerry]

Ruckus? WTF is a ruckus?

A hoo-hah.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

While I have opinions on the topic I'm too tired to post them - the only reason I'm here now is to say that people saying "ruckus" and "mate" gives me a warm glow inside.

Awwww, Tubbsy!

[Vault 10]

I'm against the death penalty. But regardless of that, it is meant as a punishment. So I guess his request shouldn't be granted.

As a punishment by death, not a punishment by torture and inhuman conditions.

http://www.fdp.dk/uk/cond/cond-22.php
http://www.fdp.dk/uk/cond/cond-20.htm
http://www.fdp.dk/uk/cond/cond-19.htm

[Salmon Island]

Only God has the authority and power to take away like, so the death penalty and suicide are both immoral. That only leaves continued imprisonment or release.

If he has got to the point where suicide is his only option, then given that he has always maintained his innocence, he should be released.

[Douchebaggerry]

If he has got to the point where suicide is his only option, then given that he has always maintained his innocence, he should be released.

Oh awesome, so I can go on a killing spree, claim to be innocent, threaten that I'm going to kill myself and then get released?

[Timesjoke]

The only reason the Death penalty is Ineffective as a deterrent to crime is there is too much time between the crime and the punnishment to offer a direct connection between the two.

If they were to severely speed up the process and force things like appeals to be done in complete bundles instead of one issue at a time spreading out over 15 or more years, then thos would both reconnect the crime/punnishment deterrent factor and also reduct the amount of time the person in question must sit in prison waiting to die, or even waiting to be released.

[Sidebody]

Only God has the authority and power to take away like, so the death penalty and suicide are both immoral. That only leaves continued imprisonment or release.

If he has got to the point where suicide is his only option, then given that he has always maintained his innocence, he should be released.

Good thing that no-one could possibly scam that system

[Kobrania]

I find forcing someone unto death is immoral, but if you chose to end it yourself or choose to have someone end it for you, then it is not immoral.

[Cabra West]

The only reason the Death penalty is Ineffective as a deterrent to crime is there is too much time between the crime and the punnishment to offer a direct connection between the two.

If they were to severely speed up the process and force things like appeals to be done in complete bundles instead of one issue at a time spreading out over 15 or more years, then thos would both reconnect the crime/punnishment deterrent factor and also reduct the amount of time the person in question must sit in prison waiting to die, or even waiting to be released.

I very much disagree with this. It's not the waiting for death that fails as a deterrent, it's the fact that a large, large number never get caught and convicted.
If the probability to get caught, tried and punished was high enough, even fairly lenient punishment would work well as a deterrent.
Making punishments inhumane though while not investing in police and judicial system will not deter anyone.

[Hairless Kitten II]

The only reason the Death penalty is Ineffective as a deterrent to crime is there is too much time between the crime and the punnishment to offer a direct connection between the two.

If they were to severely speed up the process and force things like appeals to be done in complete bundles instead of one issue at a time spreading out over 15 or more years, then thos would both reconnect the crime/punnishment deterrent factor and also reduct the amount of time the person in question must sit in prison waiting to die, or even waiting to be released.

I very much disagree with this. It's not the waiting for death that fails as a deterrent, it's the fact that a large, large number never get caught and convicted.
If the probability to get caught, tried and punished was high enough, even fairly lenient punishment would work well as a deterrent.
Making punishments inhumane though while not investing in police and judicial system will not deter anyone.

Indeed, the chances to get caught trully influence one if he commits a crime or not.

At TED there was a South African psychologist (forgot his name) who told a story about that.

In one class he said:

You now will get a sheet of paper and have to solve easy math problems, for each right answer you get a $1.

He didn't say there was a time limit, so after a while he said 'stop' and asked around how many questions they solved. Most of them get half way.

In another class he said:

You now will get a sheet of paper and have to solve easy math problems, for each right answer you get a $1.

He didn't say there was a time limit, so after a while he said 'stop' but also added: "Now destroy your sheet of paper with the answers".

He asked again how many questions they solved. Suddenly most pupils said that they finished most questions.

[Douchebaggerry]

Indeed, the chances to get caught trully influence one if he commits a crime or not.

At TED there's was a South African psychologist (forgot his name) who told a story about that.

In one class he said:

You now will get a sheet of paper and have to solve easy math problems, for each right answer you get a $1.

He didn't say there was a time limit, so after a while he said 'stop' and asked around how many questions they solved. Most of them get half way.

In another class he said:

You now will get a sheet of paper and have to solve easy math problems, for each right answer you get a $1.

He didn't say there was a time limit, so after a while he said 'stop' but also added: "Now destroy your sheet of paper with the answers".

He asked again how many questions they solved. Suddenly most pupils said that they finished most questions.

Don't the Soufricans use the Rand, not the dollar?

[Hairless Kitten II]

Don't the Soufricans use the Rand, not the dollar?

Yes they do. But maybe he's having a lecture in a country where they use dollars.

[Douchebaggerry]

Yes they do. But maybe he's having a lecture in a country where they use dollars.

Good point.