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Postby Barringtonia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:55 am

I don't know what it is about this sort of stuff but as I sit under fluorescence on my standard office chair in front of an LCD monitor I have to wonder, am I wasting all that this world has to offer?

http://vimeo.com/6555161

I mean, we're sort of blinded into office careers, led to believe that striving for a house of our own and two cars in the driveway are the best that life can be,

What could you be doing with your life and what's stopping you?
I hear babies cry, I watch them grow
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Postby Sidebody » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:01 am

I could be an instructor for my favourite sport but :

- I'm not experienced or good enough yet to make a living out of it
- I need a lot of money to get experienced enough or good enough to make a living out of it
- I don't live in an area suited to such a path.....yet
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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:05 am

I'd say it, but I'd be accused of being a whining emo.

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Postby Douchebaggerry » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:14 am

NotRust wrote:I'd say it, but I'd be accused of being a whining emo.


Yeah bit late for that.
Grave_n_idle wrote:Amusing. By your logic, anyone who owns property is corrupt (greetings, comrade), and anyone who has violence carried out in their name is violent, which also puts you in the same militant camp as utter bastards like Stalin, Jesus, and The Beatles.

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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:15 am

Douchebaggerry wrote:
NotRust wrote:I'd say it, but I'd be accused of being a whining emo.


Yeah bit late for that.


What the fuck is your problem, cunt?

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Postby Barringtonia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:25 am

Children children, it's only the intartubes, no need to take anything personally,
I hear babies cry, I watch them grow
They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world



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Postby Cameroi » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:26 am

what's an office? never worked in one in my life.
never owned more then one car at a time, usually a very used truck,
when i've owned any at all, which has been considerably less then half my life time.

yes, pursuing someone else's dream because you've been conned into expecting it of yourself,
is very much indeed a waste of existence.

this is why true enlightenment warns against desires.

the only thing anyone owes anyone is to avoid causing suffering, harm, or annoyance.
we owe these things and these things only, to our own self esteem.

survival is optional.
gratification is optional.

obligations are a matter of conscience.
the wise seek avoid their excessive accumulation.

there is really no point in accumulating anything that does not either,
bring enjoyment, or is needed to stay out of trouble.

what things bring enjoyment to possess?
those which are used to create and explore with.
within the abilities one has to use them to do so with.

what is the greatest non-gratifying waste?
trying to impress anyone other then one's own self.

not only does it diminish one's self,
it degrades the surroundings and options of others.
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Postby Douchebaggerry » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:28 am

NotRust wrote:What the fuck is your problem, cunt?


I really wish I was as tough as you are. I bet you can bench 280 lbs.
Grave_n_idle wrote:Amusing. By your logic, anyone who owns property is corrupt (greetings, comrade), and anyone who has violence carried out in their name is violent, which also puts you in the same militant camp as utter bastards like Stalin, Jesus, and The Beatles.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:31 am

Douchebaggerry wrote:
NotRust wrote:What the fuck is your problem, cunt?


I really wish I was as tough as you are. I bet you can bench 280 lbs.


It's already been reported in Moderation - it's probably best not to stir up trouble.

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Postby Cabra West » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:43 am

Barringtonia wrote:I don't know what it is about this sort of stuff but as I sit under fluorescence on my standard office chair in front of an LCD monitor I have to wonder, am I wasting all that this world has to offer?

http://vimeo.com/6555161

I mean, we're sort of blinded into office careers, led to believe that striving for a house of our own and two cars in the driveway are the best that life can be,

What could you be doing with your life and what's stopping you?


I used to think that way, when I was younger (wow, does that make me sound old or what???). Never wanted an office job, wanted to DO things....
And then I grew a bit older and sort of lost the energy.
I used to travel loads when I was younger, I was active in environmentalist groups and catholic youth groups, very active in library work, always having things on my schedule.

Now, I actually find it very comforting to just have an office job (enough to keep the brain active, but not mentally hectic), and to come home at night, cook, and then just put my feet up. I know it sounds boring and uneventful, but I actually quite like that for now. I know it's going to change anyway once I have kids...
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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Postby Allbeama » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:53 am

I think if a job lacks meaning to the one who does it they will not enjoy it. If there is a purpose or sense of worth they get, it must be right for them.I guess that is my take here.
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Postby Cabra West » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:56 am

Allbeama wrote:I think if a job lacks meaning to the one who does it they will not enjoy it. If there is a purpose or sense of worth they get, it must be right for them.I guess that is my take here.


True to some extend. I worked in jobs that had all the meaning in the world, and in jobs I could not possibly care less about.
What I noticed was that, yes, meaning does make the job a little better, but that's not all there is. Working in a good team, and feeling appreciated for what you do (no matter what it is) actually weigh in far heavier when it comes to job satisfaction.
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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Postby The Remillard Milieu » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:00 am

Barringtonia wrote:I don't know what it is about this sort of stuff but as I sit under fluorescence on my standard office chair in front of an LCD monitor I have to wonder, am I wasting all that this world has to offer?

http://vimeo.com/6555161

I mean, we're sort of blinded into office careers, led to believe that striving for a house of our own and two cars in the driveway are the best that life can be,

What could you be doing with your life and what's stopping you?

I could be a professional poker player by now if it weren't for, my job (which is more fixing the mistakes of an idiotic co-worker than doing what's actually in my job description), unbearably boring school, and an annoying law.

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Postby Barringtonia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:02 am

Cabra West wrote:Now, I actually find it very comforting to just have an office job (enough to keep the brain active, but not mentally hectic), and to come home at night, cook, and then just put my feet up. I know it sounds boring and uneventful, but I actually quite like that for now. I know it's going to change anyway once I have kids...


I can sometimes feel a little weighed down by, amm, I suppose it's responsibility. That if I commit to a career then I'm committing to a fairly straight path in life, I will soon have my mortgage, my volvo, my pet dog and two and half children - I don't know what it is in me that faces that prospect with a certain horror that this is what life is reduced to.

In the mid-levels in HK there's an escalator going up the mountain-side to all the residences - it's a lovely and useful thing - but I couldn't stand living in that part of town because the morning and evening commute up and down that escalator just seemed so much like cattle to the slaughter.

It is comfortable, and it's predictable, and we like that and we somehow think that 'doing something else' would be less comfortable and predictable.

Perhaps it's merely affluenza, a certain rejection of creature comforts,
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Postby Cabra West » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:12 am

Barringtonia wrote:
Cabra West wrote:Now, I actually find it very comforting to just have an office job (enough to keep the brain active, but not mentally hectic), and to come home at night, cook, and then just put my feet up. I know it sounds boring and uneventful, but I actually quite like that for now. I know it's going to change anyway once I have kids...


I can sometimes feel a little weighed down by, amm, I suppose it's responsibility. That if I commit to a career then I'm committing to a fairly straight path in life, I will soon have my mortgage, my volvo, my pet dog and two and half children - I don't know what it is in me that faces that prospect with a certain horror that this is what life is reduced to.

In the mid-levels in HK there's an escalator going up the mountain-side to all the residences - it's a lovely and useful thing - but I couldn't stand living in that part of town because the morning and evening commute up and down that escalator just seemed so much like cattle to the slaughter.

It is comfortable, and it's predictable, and we like that and we somehow think that 'doing something else' would be less comfortable and predictable.

Perhaps it's merely affluenza, a certain rejection of creature comforts,


You know, I thought I had committed to a career and settled life when I finished university and started my first job. Well, profession would be the word, I think. I was determined never to get married and have kids, but to devote myself entirely to my work.

But life tends not to work like that. I lost that job, emmigrated, started working in a completely different area, went through some not-so-nice emotional times, fell in love, moved again, started working in yet another field, got married and am now buying a house.

Just because you think you're settling down doesn't have to mean that you actually will just yet ;)
And after a while, I think it's just the natural thing to do. While I'll never understand people settling down somewhere when they're 22 or something, I think that after moving around for a while, you just reach a point when you don't feel like it any more. You've had your fair share of experiences, seen a good few places and countries, and just want to stay in one for a change.
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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Postby The Remillard Milieu » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:16 am

Barringtonia wrote:
Cabra West wrote:Now, I actually find it very comforting to just have an office job (enough to keep the brain active, but not mentally hectic), and to come home at night, cook, and then just put my feet up. I know it sounds boring and uneventful, but I actually quite like that for now. I know it's going to change anyway once I have kids...


I can sometimes feel a little weighed down by, amm, I suppose it's responsibility. That if I commit to a career then I'm committing to a fairly straight path in life, I will soon have my mortgage, my volvo, my pet dog and two and half children - I don't know what it is in me that faces that prospect with a certain horror that this is what life is reduced to.

In the mid-levels in HK there's an escalator going up the mountain-side to all the residences - it's a lovely and useful thing - but I couldn't stand living in that part of town because the morning and evening commute up and down that escalator just seemed so much like cattle to the slaughter.

It is comfortable, and it's predictable, and we like that and we somehow think that 'doing something else' would be less comfortable and predictable.

Perhaps it's merely affluenza, a certain rejection of creature comforts,

Do you still find time to enjoy yourself? Is your job keeping you away from whatever it is that brings you happiness for a great amount of time, or do you just find the time you are working to be wasted time regardless of the actual hours?

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Postby Barringtonia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:24 am

The Remillard Milieu wrote:Do you still find time to enjoy yourself? Is your job keeping you away from whatever it is that brings you happiness for a great amount of time, or do you just find the time you are working to be wasted time regardless of the actual hours?


I'm extremely lucky to have the job I have, it's both rewarding and interesting and I have a lot of personal freedom to do what I want, hell, in stretching the definition, I'm almost paid to be part of NSG, or at least an Internet forum - about the only thing that bugs me about it is the fact that it's indoors, I also play tennis, scuba and mess about on Moto-X bikes from time to time.

I can't say I'm not in a good position, it's just that I recognise this job as, well I can hardly say it adds any real value other than to my clients,

Anyway, it's not to be bloggy, it's to make the distinction that one can be leading, to all intents and purposes, a fulfilling life but it also limits one's direction, we start to head down a deeper and deeper channel of our own devising,
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Postby Extreme Ironing » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:25 am

Barringtonia wrote:
I can sometimes feel a little weighed down by, amm, I suppose it's responsibility. That if I commit to a career then I'm committing to a fairly straight path in life, I will soon have my mortgage, my volvo, my pet dog and two and half children - I don't know what it is in me that faces that prospect with a certain horror that this is what life is reduced to.

In the mid-levels in HK there's an escalator going up the mountain-side to all the residences - it's a lovely and useful thing - but I couldn't stand living in that part of town because the morning and evening commute up and down that escalator just seemed so much like cattle to the slaughter.

It is comfortable, and it's predictable, and we like that and we somehow think that 'doing something else' would be less comfortable and predictable.

Perhaps it's merely affluenza, a certain rejection of creature comforts,


I already feel like this and I've only just graduated from university.
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Postby Cabra West » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:27 am

Barringtonia wrote:
The Remillard Milieu wrote:Do you still find time to enjoy yourself? Is your job keeping you away from whatever it is that brings you happiness for a great amount of time, or do you just find the time you are working to be wasted time regardless of the actual hours?


I'm extremely lucky to have the job I have, it's both rewarding and interesting and I have a lot of personal freedom to do what I want, hell, in stretching the definition, I'm almost paid to be part of NSG, or at least an Internet forum - about the only thing that bugs me about it is the fact that it's indoors, I also play tennis, scuba and mess about on Moto-X bikes from time to time.

I can't say I'm not in a good position, it's just that I recognise this job as, well I can hardly say it adds any real value other than to my clients,

Anyway, it's not to be bloggy, it's to make the distinction that one can be leading, to all intents and purposes, a fulfilling life but it also limits one's direction, we start to head down a deeper and deeper channel of our own devising,


If you enjoy your job, but feel you want to "add more value", have you considered doing volunteer work? Can be extremely gratifying.
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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Postby Barringtonia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:40 am

Cabra West wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:
The Remillard Milieu wrote:Do you still find time to enjoy yourself? Is your job keeping you away from whatever it is that brings you happiness for a great amount of time, or do you just find the time you are working to be wasted time regardless of the actual hours?


I'm extremely lucky to have the job I have, it's both rewarding and interesting and I have a lot of personal freedom to do what I want, hell, in stretching the definition, I'm almost paid to be part of NSG, or at least an Internet forum - about the only thing that bugs me about it is the fact that it's indoors, I also play tennis, scuba and mess about on Moto-X bikes from time to time.

I can't say I'm not in a good position, it's just that I recognise this job as, well I can hardly say it adds any real value other than to my clients,

Anyway, it's not to be bloggy, it's to make the distinction that one can be leading, to all intents and purposes, a fulfilling life but it also limits one's direction, we start to head down a deeper and deeper channel of our own devising,


If you enjoy your job, but feel you want to "add more value", have you considered doing volunteer work? Can be extremely gratifying.


I feel this is diverting into second-guessing my own thoughts - I do volunteer, 'adding more value' doesn't really capture what I'm driving at.

It may be, if I recall correctly, that you can't view the video - it's a project by BLU, creating a time-frame photo sequence of chalk drawings that create a moving flow of imagery. I'd previously posted their original effort on Neesika's old Urban Art thread back on Jolt - in this one they take what seems to be an abandoned courtyard rather than a long wall.

The point is that they have a different perspective on the world, I think they see the world as an opportunity in art, that where I see an abandoned courtyard I might, perhaps, wonder about fixing it up into a home, a child might see it as a free and interesting playground, these guys see it as a potential canvas for art,

It's that flexibility on perspective, on seeing potential and opportunity to do something interesting and then doing it,

In the flourescent office world, one of routine journey's home and back, I feel one loses any raw view of something, or the ability to see what it could be in a different way rather than what it is.

I suppose I'm asking about potential - what could you potentially be doing rather than assuming the only path in life is to have an office career.
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Postby Cabra West » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:02 am

Barringtonia wrote:The point is that they have a different perspective on the world, I think they see the world as an opportunity in art, that where I see an abandoned courtyard I might, perhaps, wonder about fixing it up into a home, a child might see it as a free and interesting playground, these guys see it as a potential canvas for art,

It's that flexibility on perspective, on seeing potential and opportunity to do something interesting and then doing it,

In the flourescent office world, one of routine journey's home and back, I feel one loses any raw view of something, or the ability to see what it could be in a different way rather than what it is.

I suppose I'm asking about potential - what could you potentially be doing rather than assuming the only path in life is to have an office career.


Hmm... I think I can see where you're going. A certain loss of creativity, dulled by the daily grind of work?
I can't say that I've experineced that... the duller my work was, the more time I would spend at home painting, or inventing new dishes, etc. I appreciate that that's nowhere near the scale given in your example, but then I've never been THAT gifted to begin with.
I think it's more a thing of attitude... if you let the routine bore you, and you submit to the boredom, yes there is a chance you will lose the creative perspective on the world.
But if your work is boring, that essentially leaves your brain free to be as creative as you allow it to be....
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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Postby Waterlow » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:18 am

A friend told me they felt my office job was eating my soul.

Sounds about right. I need to not be doing this very soon. I think I can see a way out but I'll still be doing the same work. Ultimately I guess I'd like to write (but it never seems to happen), or run a vineyard, or a little cafe. I've never been ambitious and I'm quite content to end up a househusband of sorts.

Work's never been anything other than a hassle and a means to an end. The less time I can spend on it and more I can make it suit me in terms of timing and location, the less grief it will cause me.
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Postby Eksperimentia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:30 am

I think what's stopping me from following one of the things I want to do is a mixture of money, lack of discipline and lack of time because of the office job I have. A job is a job so I'm not going to complain about it but my job is very mundane and quite unrecognised, I've also noticed that my co-worker regularly makes me feel crappy - not as if he's bullying me or anything. Rather that his approach to life, work and people is more or less the polar opposite of what my own is so we don't exactly make a slick team.

But overall, I think I'd be able to change quite a lot for myself if I just gathered some more courage to make a few small jumps then enforce some discipline upon myself to do some of the loftier things I'm after in life.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:47 am

Barringtonia wrote:I don't know what it is about this sort of stuff but as I sit under fluorescence on my standard office chair in front of an LCD monitor I have to wonder, am I wasting all that this world has to offer?

http://vimeo.com/6555161

I mean, we're sort of blinded into office careers, led to believe that striving for a house of our own and two cars in the driveway are the best that life can be,

What could you be doing with your life and what's stopping you?


I could emigrate to Germany or France, and work in the field of renewable energies, but:
My fiancee and I have to finish our Ph.D first (and I'm 33... I'm a worker-student, and this takes a lot of time out of studying).
I have to find a job there BEFORE emigrating... and my fiancee too. We're going to work both, she's not going to be a housewife and I'm not going to be a househusband.
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Postby Kanabia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:50 am

What could you be doing with your life and what's stopping you?



I want to travel, but money stops me. Even if i put 100% of my yearly income into saving for an overseas trip it probably wouldnt be enough. It probably won't happen for a decade at least.

I also want to keep up my music but again money and time stop me so I haven't touched it in a couple of months.

Quite a few other things.
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