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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:48 am

A boy of nine playing soldiers with a Polish pal was branded racist by teachers, his mum claimed yesterday.

Steven C. made a gun shape with his fingers, pointed at his friend and said: "We've got to shoot the German army."

His teacher sent him to the deputy head and he was forced to apologise in front of his class, said his mother Jane H.

She added: "The deputy head shouted at Steven and said, 'That's racism' - which is ridiculous because he has a Polish aunt and they were on our side during the War.

"Steven didn't single out the Polish boy, who is a good friend. He just happened to be who he was playing with.

"I think the school has been very heavy-handed."

Jane, who lives with Steven's father Darren C., 39, and sister Amy, 18, added: "I am angry.

"Steven has been upset by it because he does not know why he has been told off. He came home after being told off and said, 'Mum, what's racism?'"

But Viv Perri, headteacher at Purford Green Primary School, in Harlow, Essex, insisted: "When a pupil uses inappropriate language or terms that could be offensive, we have a responsibility to explain to them why their behaviour is wrong.

"At no point was he accused of being racist."

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What's not in the story is that the school said that the racist label will be in his school records for ever.

I think this again the political correctness police at work. When I was a kid, we played soldiers as well and I'm pretty sure we said similar stuff. None of us became racists later.

I feel it's not only wrong of the school, but also the media is playing a role:
Is it adding value to the story that the name of the boy is in full print? For heaven sake, they even added his picture to the story.

This is creating a scar on the little one his soul for the rest of his life.
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Postby Ryadn » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:50 am

I don't even get what the implied racism is. Can you break it down for me a little? What group was he being racist against? Germans? I thought the friend was Polish.

I would have yelled at him for pretending to point a gun at anyone.
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Postby Sidebody » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:52 am

How do you know it will be in his school records for ever?

And if you want to blame the media for their role then you should surely blame the parents for getting in touch with them.
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:57 am

Ryadn wrote:I don't even get what the implied racism is. Can you break it down for me a little? What group was he being racist against? Germans?


I don't know. You have to tell me.

I once called a teacher an asshole (1980, a Catholic high school, a teacher said that my parents were sinners due they divorced...).

If I was still at school today and I was unlucky then I could land in the international news as well for calling a teachers an asshole.

These are weird times, my friend.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:59 am

What is it with using The Sun as a source? Even on the occassions where they aren't just making stuff up, the rag is far more interested in provocative language and selling copy, then in actually reporting.

Just a heads-up.

So - I looked for another (more journalistically-honest) source, and found a Telegraph article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... diers.html

What is immediately apparent is that The Sun 'accidentally' leaves out the part that this 'game of soldiers' took place while all the students were supposed to be being quiet - in other words, while no one else is playing, Steven Cheek suddenly decides to 'shoot' his Polish friend, and talk about killing Germans.

The only person calling it 'racism', seems to be his mother... everyone else seems to be saying that he spoke inappropriately.
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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:00 am

That is racist, against Germans.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:01 am

NotRust wrote:That is racist, against Germans.


It's probably not the most sensitive comment to be pretending to shoot the Polish boy and talking about German soldiers, considering how Poland fared under German treatment.
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:02 am

Sidebody wrote:How do you know it will be in his school records for ever?

And if you want to blame the media for their role then you should surely blame the parents for getting in touch with them.


My local news paper said. It's a quality paper, I'm a little surprised and disappointed that they bring the story.


Daar kreeg ze te horen dat het incident permanent zou opgenomen worden in het dossier van haar zoon.

I'll translate:

She was told that the incident would be included in the file of her son forever.

http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 092009_013


Where's written that the parents contacted the media?

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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:02 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
NotRust wrote:That is racist, against Germans.


It's probably not the most sensitive comment to be pretending to shoot the Polish boy and talking about German soldiers, considering how Poland fared under German treatment.


Nazi treatment, not German treatment.

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Postby Sidebody » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:05 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:Where's written that the parents contacted the media?


Who else would have? I can't imagine the school would, the press don't tend to have spies planted in schools, etc. The parents are the obvious ones looking to get revenge on the school who would dare punish their son.

If you're unhappy with the idea that it's the parents then who allowed for a photo op with the boy? They weren't forced to comment on the story either.
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Postby Douchebaggerry » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:05 am

NotRust wrote:Nazi treatment, not German treatment.


The average German conscripts behaved just as shittily as the Waffen-SS, so you can fuck off with that "no the Germans are all heroes it was just the Nazis that were bad" attitude.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:05 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:Steven C. made a gun shape with his fingers, pointed at his friend and said: "We've got to shoot the German army."
His teacher sent him to the deputy head and he was forced to apologise in front of his class, said his mother Jane H.
She added: "The deputy head shouted at Steven and said, 'That's racism' - which is ridiculous because he has a Polish aunt and they were on our side during the War.

:palm:
Holy crap.
When a deputy head and a teacher aren't able to distinguish between racism and a schoolkid recalling history while playing... well, maybe the dh and the teacher need a bit of re-education in a camp. Whoopsie!

This is creating a scarf on the little one his soul for the rest of his life.

A scarf? :blink:
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:06 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:What is it with using The Sun as a source? Even on the occassions where they aren't just making stuff up, the rag is far more interested in provocative language and selling copy, then in actually reporting.

Just a heads-up.

So - I looked for another (more journalistically-honest) source, and found a Telegraph article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... diers.html

What is immediately apparent is that The Sun 'accidentally' leaves out the part that this 'game of soldiers' took place while all the students were supposed to be being quiet - in other words, while no one else is playing, Steven Cheek suddenly decides to 'shoot' his Polish friend, and talk about killing Germans.

The only person calling it 'racism', seems to be his mother... everyone else seems to be saying that he spoke inappropriately.


I found the news in my local newspaper, the paper version. Later I checked the website and then looked for an English source.

While I know that The Sun is a shitty paper the story was more or less the same as in my quality paper.

http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 092009_013

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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:06 am

Douchebaggerry wrote:
NotRust wrote:Nazi treatment, not German treatment.


The average German conscripts behaved just as shittily as the Waffen-SS, so you can fuck off with that "no the Germans are all heroes it was just the Nazis that were bad" attitude.


How about you fuck off, kent?

The German soldiers were normal soldiers. The German people were normal people. Maybe we should bring up YOUR war crimes, allied dog?

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Postby Kobrania » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:08 am

The sun is owned by newscorp (who owns Foxnews) so I am not surrised they showed the story.
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Postby Douchebaggerry » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:10 am

NotRust wrote:How about you fuck off, kent?


Nice come back.

NotRust wrote:The German soldiers were normal soldiers. The German people were normal people.


And just like all the other countries' "normal soldiers" in the war, they raped and tortured and murdered. But on a higher level. And they started the trend.

NotRust wrote:Maybe we should bring up YOUR war crimes, allied dog?


Go for it, I'm not the one denying anything.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:10 am

NotRust wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
NotRust wrote:That is racist, against Germans.


It's probably not the most sensitive comment to be pretending to shoot the Polish boy and talking about German soldiers, considering how Poland fared under German treatment.


Nazi treatment, not German treatment.


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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:11 am

Douchebaggerry wrote:Go for it, I'm not the one denying anything.


Well, for one, all allied soldiers were gang rapists. Every single one.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:11 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:What is it with using The Sun as a source? Even on the occassions where they aren't just making stuff up, the rag is far more interested in provocative language and selling copy, then in actually reporting.

Just a heads-up.

So - I looked for another (more journalistically-honest) source, and found a Telegraph article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... diers.html

What is immediately apparent is that The Sun 'accidentally' leaves out the part that this 'game of soldiers' took place while all the students were supposed to be being quiet - in other words, while no one else is playing, Steven Cheek suddenly decides to 'shoot' his Polish friend, and talk about killing Germans.

The only person calling it 'racism', seems to be his mother... everyone else seems to be saying that he spoke inappropriately.


I found the news in my local newspaper, the paper version. Later I checked the website and then looked for an English source.

While I know that The Sun is a shitty paper the story was more or less the same as in my quality paper.

http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 092009_013


Did your local 'quality paper' leave out the 'quiet time' bit, too?
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Sidebody wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Where's written that the parents contacted the media?


Who else would have? I can't imagine the school would, the press don't tend to have spies planted in schools, etc. The parents are the obvious ones looking to get revenge on the school who would dare punish their son.

If you're unhappy with the idea that it's the parents then who allowed for a photo op with the boy? They weren't forced to comment on the story either.


It doesn't have to. Maybe other parents did. And the picture? We are talking about The Sun, that's how that paper is working. And it looks like a school picture, maybe they rip it from the school website, no?

Anyway, we are not sure, so stay at what we know.

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Postby Cabra West » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:12 am

NotRust wrote:That is racist, against Germans.


When did "German" become a race???
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Postby Douchebaggerry » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:13 am

NotRust wrote:Well, for one, all allied soldiers were gang rapists. Every single one.


Yeah, that's exactly what I said. You're unbelievably immature and angry.
Grave_n_idle wrote:Amusing. By your logic, anyone who owns property is corrupt (greetings, comrade), and anyone who has violence carried out in their name is violent, which also puts you in the same militant camp as utter bastards like Stalin, Jesus, and The Beatles.

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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:13 am

Risottia wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Steven C. made a gun shape with his fingers, pointed at his friend and said: "We've got to shoot the German army."
His teacher sent him to the deputy head and he was forced to apologise in front of his class, said his mother Jane H.
She added: "The deputy head shouted at Steven and said, 'That's racism' - which is ridiculous because he has a Polish aunt and they were on our side during the War.

:palm:
Holy crap.
When a deputy head and a teacher aren't able to distinguish between racism and a schoolkid recalling history while playing... well, maybe the dh and the teacher need a bit of re-education in a camp. Whoopsie!

This is creating a scarf on the little one his soul for the rest of his life.

A scarf? :blink:
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Postby NotRust » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:13 am

Cabra West wrote:
NotRust wrote:That is racist, against Germans.


When did "German" become a race???


"Discriminatory", then. Who gives a fuck?

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