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Conservative
53
16%
Moderate
44
13%
Liberal
61
19%
Reactionary
6
2%
Radical
20
6%
Fascist
19
6%
National Socialist
21
6%
Anarchist
20
6%
Minarchist
20
6%
Other
62
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Total votes : 326

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Aethelstania
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Postby Aethelstania » Thu May 10, 2012 4:01 am

Both my parents are conservatives - socially and fiscally. I would say that I'm socially very left wing and economically center left. I was never socially conservative but I was economically further right than both my parents so I was a libetarian but that's changed as I've got older. I have no idea where it came from I think I'm just more socially aware than my parents are

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Hippostania
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Postby Hippostania » Thu May 10, 2012 4:10 am

I took the good parts of Democrats' and Republicans' policies (cultural liberalism from democrats, fiscal and neoconservatism from republicans), and then combined it into my liberty-first type moderate conservative ideology.

Aethelstania wrote:I would say that I'm economically center left

Aethelstania wrote:I'm just more socially aware than my parents are

Hahaha, no.
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Economic Right: 10.00 - Social Authoritarian: 2.87 - Foreign Policy Neoconservative: 9.54 - Cultural Liberal: -1.14
For: market liberalism, capitalism, eurofederalism, neoconservatism, British unionism, atlanticism, LGB rights, abortion rights, Greater Israel, Pan-Western federalism, NATO, USA, EU
Against: communism, socialism, anarchism, eurosceptism, agrarianism, Swiss/Irish/Scottish/Welsh independence, cultural relativism, all things Russian, aboriginal/native American special rights

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Thu May 10, 2012 4:16 am

Hippostania wrote:I took the good parts of Democrats' and Republicans' policies (cultural liberalism from democrats, fiscal and neoconservatism from republicans), and then combined it into my liberty-first type moderate conservative ideology.

ahahaha ..moderate!
Hippo,you funny
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Hippostania
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Postby Hippostania » Thu May 10, 2012 4:19 am

Camelza wrote:
Hippostania wrote:I took the good parts of Democrats' and Republicans' policies (cultural liberalism from democrats, fiscal and neoconservatism from republicans), and then combined it into my liberty-first type moderate conservative ideology.

ahahaha ..moderate!
Hippo,you funny

I'm secular, I support LGBT rights and I'm pro-choice. I might be a conservative, but I sure as hell don't consider myself to be a social conservative.
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Factbook - New Embassy Program
Economic Right: 10.00 - Social Authoritarian: 2.87 - Foreign Policy Neoconservative: 9.54 - Cultural Liberal: -1.14
For: market liberalism, capitalism, eurofederalism, neoconservatism, British unionism, atlanticism, LGB rights, abortion rights, Greater Israel, Pan-Western federalism, NATO, USA, EU
Against: communism, socialism, anarchism, eurosceptism, agrarianism, Swiss/Irish/Scottish/Welsh independence, cultural relativism, all things Russian, aboriginal/native American special rights

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Samuraikoku
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Founded: May 13, 2011
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu May 10, 2012 4:24 am

I'm a liberal. It hurts people less.

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Thu May 10, 2012 4:25 am

Hippostania wrote:
Camelza wrote:ahahaha ..moderate!
Hippo,you funny

I'm support LGBT rights and I'm pro-choice. I might be a conservative, but I sure as hell don't consider myself to be a social conservative.

well.. you do have some liberal sentiment but I think you are a rather radical right-winger (pro-intervention,anti-left etc)

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Thu May 10, 2012 4:26 am

Samuraikoku wrote:I'm a liberal. It hurts people less.

define ..liberal

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu May 10, 2012 4:34 am

Camelza wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:I'm a liberal. It hurts people less.

define ..liberal


Pro LGBT rights, pro-choice, pro free trade capitalism (but having the state as a means of avoiding excesses), pro secular public education.

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Aethelstania
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Postby Aethelstania » Thu May 10, 2012 4:35 am

Hippostania wrote:I took the good parts of Democrats' and Republicans' policies (cultural liberalism from democrats, fiscal and neoconservatism from republicans), and then combined it into my liberty-first type moderate conservative ideology.

Aethelstania wrote:I would say that I'm economically center left

Aethelstania wrote:I'm just more socially aware than my parents are

Hahaha, no.


Well yes, I grew up with less money going about than my parents did and I now live in a grim part of a big city and see more poverty first hand. Both my parents where Yuppies in the 1980's and only saw the good side of Mrs Thatchers government and the neo-liberal revolution. And I cant imagine you calling yourself a moderate! your a European Federalist if I recall correctly? God Save Us

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Postby Chestaan » Thu May 10, 2012 4:42 am

I'm a Council-Communist. Basically I liked the ideas out forth by Communists (equality, classless society etc) but I was completely opposed to Stalinism and all the so called "Communist" states that have existed because I believed they excessively and unneccessarily curbed civil and political rights. Council-Communism was opposed to this oppression so it seemed natural to support it.
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Hippostania
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Postby Hippostania » Thu May 10, 2012 4:43 am

Aethelstania wrote:Well yes, I grew up with less money going about than my parents did and I now live in a grim part of a big city and see more poverty first hand. Both my parents where Yuppies in the 1980's and only saw the good side of Mrs Thatchers government and the neo-liberal revolution.

I'm not surprised, Thatcher was a great prime minister!

Aethelstania wrote:And I cant imagine you calling yourself a moderate! your a European Federalist if I recall correctly? God Save Us

Eurofederalism has nothing to do with the liberal-authoritarian axis. There are everything from neonazi fascists to leftie commies supporting a more federalized Europe.
Factbook - New Embassy Program
Economic Right: 10.00 - Social Authoritarian: 2.87 - Foreign Policy Neoconservative: 9.54 - Cultural Liberal: -1.14
For: market liberalism, capitalism, eurofederalism, neoconservatism, British unionism, atlanticism, LGB rights, abortion rights, Greater Israel, Pan-Western federalism, NATO, USA, EU
Against: communism, socialism, anarchism, eurosceptism, agrarianism, Swiss/Irish/Scottish/Welsh independence, cultural relativism, all things Russian, aboriginal/native American special rights

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Thu May 10, 2012 4:47 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Camelza wrote:define ..liberal


Pro LGBT rights, pro-choice, pro free trade capitalism (but having the state as a means of avoiding excesses), pro secular public education.

I can totally relate to these ..although with fair trade over free trade ;)

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Kandorith
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Postby Kandorith » Thu May 10, 2012 4:49 am

I'm an imperialistic socialist... or something...

Mostly socialist though. *shrugs*

Always been, just seems fitting...
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu May 10, 2012 4:49 am

Camelza wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Pro LGBT rights, pro-choice, pro free trade capitalism (but having the state as a means of avoiding excesses), pro secular public education.

I can totally relate to these ..although with fair trade over free trade ;)


Like I said... it hurts people less. :p

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The United Colonies of Earth
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu May 10, 2012 4:53 am

I went blue (liberal) because it appealed to all my senses of fairness, rightness, logic and freedom. Yet I don't agree with the Democrats on our Middle Eastern conflicts.
The United Colonies of Earth exists:
to encourage settlement of all habitable worlds in the Galaxy and perhaps the Universe by the human race;
to ensure that human rights are respected, with force if necessary, and that all nations recognize the inevitable and unalienable rights of all human beings regardless of their individual and harmless differences, or Idiosyncrasies;
to represent the interests of all humankind to other sapient species;
to protect all humanity and its’ colonies from unneeded violence or danger;
to promote technological advancement and scientific achievement for the happiness, knowledge and welfare of all humans;
and to facilitate cooperation in the spheres of law, transportation, communication, and measurement between nation-states.

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Aethelstania
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Postby Aethelstania » Thu May 10, 2012 5:01 am

Hippostania wrote:
Aethelstania wrote:Well yes, I grew up with less money going about than my parents did and I now live in a grim part of a big city and see more poverty first hand. Both my parents where Yuppies in the 1980's and only saw the good side of Mrs Thatchers government and the neo-liberal revolution.

I'm not surprised, Thatcher was a great prime minister!

Aethelstania wrote:And I cant imagine you calling yourself a moderate! your a European Federalist if I recall correctly? God Save Us

Eurofederalism has nothing to do with the liberal-authoritarian axis. There are everything from neonazi fascists to leftie commies supporting a more federalized Europe.


I know it dosn't I never said it did ... I said that its not a politically moderate stance to take which it isn't because saying that the EU should become one unified state is an EXTREME persepective to have. Left or Right is irrelevant its still ridiculous. And I for one think Mrs Thatcher was a nescesery evil she did save the UK to a certain degree but the Neo Liberal dogma is damaging! I believe in Capitalism I beleive in Free Markets but what you see Globally today is a sign of neo-liberalism gone mad and corporate greed (as well as reckless government spending). You cant argue now that the economic ideas of Thatcher are perfect when we can still see the damage that was done 20 years after her time in office ended. You see whole minning towns that still havn't recovered, it may have saved the country money but what about the vast unemployed left behind. You cant just write that off! you said you respect invidiual liberty and rights, I do as well. What about the rights of the vast unemployed?
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Postby CTALNH » Thu May 10, 2012 5:06 am

Well I am a Vanguard in practise and belief Extreme left-Communist and believe in Socialism in one country and in a general sense the political beliefs of Stalinism.

In a economic level I believe State socialism.This system that derives from a central planed economic style only with a lot of socialist tendencies is by me very very efficient especially if you pit it against capitalist economic systems.
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Jinwoy
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Jinwoy » Thu May 10, 2012 5:11 am

Because I was raised to be a Centre-Left Libertarian?

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SD_Film Artists
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu May 10, 2012 5:13 am

I prefer the term 'centrist' or 'Democratic Socialist' rather than 'moderate'. Though strictly speaking Democratic Socialism is centre-left.
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Cruciland
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Postby Cruciland » Thu May 10, 2012 5:16 am

I chose my political beliefs after many years of hearing debates. I kept mostly neutral about incidents, questioning things that made no sense. I heard of libertarianism, anarchism, right-winged and left-winged extremism, capitalism, communism, totalitarianism, and even fascism. I evaluated the good and bad of every belief until I found one that seemed the most flawless. Below was what I had discovered about every ideological side on the political spectrum I heard...

SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE- Very moral, honor-bound, militaristic, imperialist.
SOCIAL LIBERAL- Cares not for morals, tolerates MOST people, wants next to no national defense more often than not, hippies.
ECONOMIC CAPITALIST- Free economy, free trade, flat tax, competition which leads to innovation.
ECONOMIC COMMUNIST- Restricted economy, government sets prices, no competition leads to no losers... but no winners, either.
POLITICAL TOTALITARIAN- No political freedoms, risk of corruption. However, it's very sleek and efficient.
POLITICAL ANARCHIST- Every man for himself, few to no laws, no organization. However, the freedom is unparalleled.
CENTRALIST- Not capitalist or communist, but maybe socialist. Not conservative or liberal, but rather "Just don't do anything too stupid." Not totalitarian or anarchist, but more like a hybrid/representative democracy.

...In the end, I looked back over the results and went in-depth towards the pros and cons of each. Some things obviously made sense and worked well, while others were dystopic before AND after evaluation. The combination I came up with was political authoritarian/totalitarian, social conservative, and economic capitalist. Why? Throughout the old world- the Roman empire, the Greeks, the Egyptian and Chinese dynasties and whatnot- they lived in a time before welfare (which I recall was started in Germany) and communism/socialism (like Lenin) existed, theocracy reigned, and kings- not the masses- ruled. These imperial civilizations lasted for very long times, as you recall if you've ever cared about world history. Their empires were sometimes bigger than Russia is today, speaking of land mass, and rarely in recorded history was there something about an assassination, economic collapse, or any other major political disaster. While records are obviously lost, the time between these incidences was still sometimes in century-long gaps. CENTURY-LONG GAPS. Meanwhile, while it takes the Chinese Zu Dynasty 1400 or so years to be overthrown, we have a news report of an assassination attempt every 20 to 30 years on the USA's presidents! Furthermore, looking at the great depression, which happened 150 years into the USA's history, and comparing it to how long it took the Romans to have a real downfall, (towards the end of their history) I'd say a regime like what I came up with is not only more sleek and efficient, but more stable. So, using tried-and-true principles, I have chosen my political beliefs...

...Conservative, capitalist, and totalitarian.
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Hippostania
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Postby Hippostania » Thu May 10, 2012 5:18 am

Aethelstania wrote:I know it dosn't I never said it did ... I said that its not a politically moderate stance to take which it isn't because saying that the EU should become one unified state is an EXTREME persepective to have.

Eurofederalism isn't extremism. Communism, fascism and nazism are, but the idea that Europe should become a federal state isn't.

Aethelstania wrote:Left or Right is irrelevant its still ridiculous. And I for one think Mrs Thatcher was a nescesery evil she did save the UK to a certain degree but the Neo Liberal dogma is damaging! I believe in Capitalism I beleive in Free Markets but what you see Globally today is a sign of neo-liberalism gone mad and corporate greed (as well as reckless government spending).

Neoliberalist economic policies would work just fine if it wasn't for government intervention in the economy (a.k.a. keynesianism). Leftist economic policies and reckless government spending were behind the financial crisis, for example.

Aethelstania wrote:You cant argue now that the economic ideas of Thatcher are perfect when we can still see the damage that was done 20 years after her time in office ended. You see whole minning towns that still havn't recovered, it may have saved the country money but what about the vast unemployed left behind. You cant just write that off! you said you respect invidiual liberty and rights, I do as well. What about the rights of the vast unemployed?

That's what happens when you join and support an union that's essentialy a mafia. Mafia means organized crime, and Thatcher stamped down on organized crime (unions). The unemployed have rights, but they're not entitles to anything. Especially not other people's money.
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Economic Right: 10.00 - Social Authoritarian: 2.87 - Foreign Policy Neoconservative: 9.54 - Cultural Liberal: -1.14
For: market liberalism, capitalism, eurofederalism, neoconservatism, British unionism, atlanticism, LGB rights, abortion rights, Greater Israel, Pan-Western federalism, NATO, USA, EU
Against: communism, socialism, anarchism, eurosceptism, agrarianism, Swiss/Irish/Scottish/Welsh independence, cultural relativism, all things Russian, aboriginal/native American special rights

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Yousand
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Postby Yousand » Thu May 10, 2012 5:25 am

My political beliefs are simply based on my own morality.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu May 10, 2012 5:27 am

I favor a large government because it promotes a united society. Other than that I'm pretty fluid. Fascism, Democracy, Monarchy.


Whatever keeps things running smoothly, and with the fewest issues.
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Postby Amacia » Thu May 10, 2012 5:30 am

Socially I'm pro-life and pro-gay marriage: equal rights for gays, lesbians, and the unborn. Economically, I'm mostly libertarian, except on Climate Change, though I think that is compatible with libertarianism, protecting people from pollution (an act of aggression), though I'm not a religious believer in the non-aggression principle.

I believe what I believe because it makes since to me and, am informed by what I study. I think government should only get involved in something if it has a really compelling reason to. I don't hate the poor, quite the opposite, I simply believe in a hand up not a hand out.
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Postby Sovereign Rulers » Thu May 10, 2012 5:33 am

Genetics, upbringing and economic situation is probably what decided my political beliefs. As of now Socialism just seems like the most rational system.
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