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by Aquophia » Wed May 09, 2012 10:18 pm

by ATTENTION DUELISTS » Wed May 09, 2012 10:23 pm
Free Soviets wrote:ATTENTION DUELISTS wrote:I used to be quite the liberal, but then when I saw a quote of Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord (1754-1838), which stated "Surtout, pas trop de zèle." ("Above all, not too much zeal."), I realized that I had far too often allowed my emotions get the better of my personal judgment on matters regarding governmental policy. Nowadays, before I make up my mind up on any social or economic issue, I ask myself these questions.
1. Does the proposed Act or legislation have a proper purpose which will benefit the broader society over the long term?
2. Which group(s) benefit(s) at the expense of others? Is there a way that both parties can come to a collective agreement and understanding, or will one party's views have to assert dominance over the other?
3. What is the cost-benefit analysis like? Do the benefits outweigh the costs for the society/economy or not?
4. Is the moral basis of such a decision a utilitarian or individualistic one?
5. Have I properly and fully heard both sides of the argument?
6. Have both sides of the argument presented clear and concise statements as to why they believe that they are correct, as well as providing empirical, statistical and/or quantitative information or data to support their claim? Are such information and data applicable in the case of the current issue?
7. From a neutral observer's point of view, what can be said about the level of knowledge that each side has into the philosophical and/or systematic foundations of the other's argument? Are they backing up their argument with objective fact and data, or simply using generalizations and stating a subjective opinion that is not backed up by statistical evidence?
8. To what extent have I come up with and concluded upon my judgment purely out of my own conscience, instead of simply following along with the majority, or the 'herd' of people?
so now you fall at least somewhat left of liberal, eh?

by Novairia » Wed May 09, 2012 10:26 pm
Tsa-la-gi Nation wrote:I'm a pinko.
I turned commie learning about my family history & in turn much more about native american history. I think the rich are basically soulless. With that being said, I do have pride in my people, some i'm not a perfect Marxist. I do look up to Eugene Debs. I just think we should strive for a classless society.
Ahh yes, because Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and Richard Branson (just to name a few) are soulless rich people.
by Free Soviets » Wed May 09, 2012 10:33 pm
ATTENTION DUELISTS wrote:Free Soviets wrote:so now you fall at least somewhat left of liberal, eh?
Not really. Most of the time, I find that liberals fail, or at least dissatisfy, points 6 and 7, by making generalizations (usually aimed at capitalism) to support their argument. I'm more of a centrist/moderate, although I'd probably lean ever so slightly to the left.

by Free Soviets » Wed May 09, 2012 10:40 pm
Novairia wrote:I do believe in the virtue and NEED of having constant balanced budgets

by Hittanryan » Wed May 09, 2012 10:42 pm

by Ereria » Wed May 09, 2012 10:48 pm

by Ereria » Wed May 09, 2012 10:48 pm

by Ostroeuropa » Wed May 09, 2012 10:49 pm

by ATTENTION DUELISTS » Wed May 09, 2012 11:01 pm
Ereria wrote:I personally would like an Empire like the French Empire under one Emperor like Napoleon.
Edit: And yes I dont know what its called


by Foguk » Wed May 09, 2012 11:03 pm

by Ostroeuropa » Wed May 09, 2012 11:03 pm
Ereria wrote:I personally would like an Empire like the French Empire under one Emperor like Napoleon.
Edit: And yes I dont know what its called

by Helcasia » Wed May 09, 2012 11:07 pm

by Sedikal » Wed May 09, 2012 11:08 pm

by Ostroeuropa » Wed May 09, 2012 11:09 pm
Sedikal wrote:It's all about moderation


by Astralsideria » Wed May 09, 2012 11:23 pm

by Angermanland » Wed May 09, 2012 11:38 pm
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by Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Wed May 09, 2012 11:42 pm
by Meridiani Planum » Thu May 10, 2012 12:47 am
Anthoraubia wrote:The titles asks the main question. My beliefs are a mixture of right wing and left wing beliefs. I wouldn't be a conservative because I think they are just a bunch of old fashioned bigots. At the same times I wouldn't be a liberal because I think their ideals just simply won't work if applied in the real world.

by Jafas United » Thu May 10, 2012 12:48 am

by Forster Keys » Thu May 10, 2012 1:00 am

by Cameroi » Thu May 10, 2012 1:04 am

by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu May 10, 2012 3:42 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.

by Camelza » Thu May 10, 2012 3:48 am

by Thesan » Thu May 10, 2012 3:52 am
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