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Conservative
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Moderate
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Liberal
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19%
Reactionary
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Radical
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6%
Fascist
19
6%
National Socialist
21
6%
Anarchist
20
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Minarchist
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Other
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Total votes : 326

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Burzzon
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Postby Burzzon » Wed May 16, 2012 2:50 pm

sads

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Meryuma
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Postby Meryuma » Wed May 16, 2012 2:55 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Helcasia wrote:Supposedly they were aspiring to the goal of establishing a communist nation, however that only makes them communist in the way that a person is a communist. They are not examples of communism, they are examples of communists.


What you say makes absolutely no sense. Communism is an ideology, not a state of being. If someone or something (such as a nation or state) believes in Communism, it is Communist. Just because they never finally succeeded in implementing their plans on a global scale does not change who they were or what they believed in at all.


Communism is also an economic system.
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Burzzon
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Founded: Apr 22, 2012
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Postby Burzzon » Wed May 16, 2012 2:55 pm

dont know why it said "sads" but anyways....
i am conservative/liberatarian. i think socialsim wouldbe great if it worked in our world. i believe in a straight up democracy 50 people makes laws and everyone votes on it.

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Arborlawn
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Postby Arborlawn » Wed May 16, 2012 3:00 pm

I chose my political beliefs based on personal conclusions and beliefs.

Passively, I am a Socialist. Specifically, I am a Unitarian Technocratic Socialist Monarchist.

I support a Unitarian form of governing structure. I find federal systems to lack some judicial integrity (For example, death penalty in one area, but not another, alcohol on Sundays in one, not the other) which can severely weaken the ability to establish justice and maintain order throughout the nation. I find that subdivisions in nations should be for maintaining purposes really. A region or province is responsible for education, health services, roads, water movement, etc. However, a region or province cannot decide they want to raise their drinking age while every other region has it at x age.

I support a Technocratic (Technocratic, as in doctors run the health system, scholars run the education system, etc) simply because it seems the most logical. It prevents many mishaps that may occur from one individual messing things up with another system. I also believe it allows individuals to specialize themselves, which requires an education system that evolves to student's interests, allowing people to express themselves through work and education, and by actively choosing their lives.

I support Socialism (Though many have noted that I am in that range of socialism and communism together) because I believe that within a society, and the world really, that anything produced in terms of money, healthcare, food, education, etc. (GDP) is the property of society as a whole, to be used for the benefit of human kind, of maintaining high qualities of life, and happy lives. This combined with my technocratic systems allows for the ultimate "worker's rule" and ultimate distribution of resources to society with quality and justice.

Finally, I support Monarchy (Oddly enough, given the previous statements) because I do not believe in electing individuals to terms that have no training to lead a nation, though I do believe in democratically electing parliaments and prime ministers. However, the Head of State needs to be someone born and raised to head a state. Also, it has been noted, that 7 out of the 10 nations with the greatest democratic freedoms are Monarchies, with democratically elected parliaments. Monarchial governments are more stable.

So there you go.

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Greater Americania
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Postby Greater Americania » Wed May 16, 2012 3:00 pm

Meryuma wrote:Communism is also an economic system.


Central planning is an economic system. The stateless economy proposed by Communists where industries are owned by everyone collectively and run by workers' councils is a economic system. Communism is simply a political ideology that would bring these things about. So you may call these economic systems Communist, and you would be right because they are results and symptoms of Communist thought, but they are not Communism in and of themselves. Communism is, like all other ideologies, a system of values held towards a given end. It is not the end itself.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Wed May 16, 2012 3:02 pm

Cruciland wrote:
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Aye- well, I can certainly tell you that not every form of bigotry is poisonous. It'd be easier if you opposed both the wicked and the KKK, than go crazy and oppose the holy and the KKK... :hug:

Define holy for me.
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Terio
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Postby Terio » Wed May 16, 2012 3:02 pm

I'm kinda neutral on my Conservative-Liberal beliefs, but I'm a socialist on my economic beliefs.
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Meryuma
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Postby Meryuma » Wed May 16, 2012 3:04 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Meryuma wrote:Communism is also an economic system.


Central planning is an economic system. The stateless economy proposed by Communists where industries are owned by everyone collectively and run by workers' councils is a economic system. Communism is simply a political ideology that would bring these things about. So you may call these economic systems Communist, and you would be right because they are results and symptoms of Communist thought, but they are not Communism in and of themselves. Communism is, like all other ideologies, a system of values held towards a given end. It is not the end itself.


Actually, throughout the history of communist theory, communism has referred to an economic system.
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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

...so here's your future

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Choronzon
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Founded: Apr 17, 2012
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Postby Choronzon » Wed May 16, 2012 3:07 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Greater Americania wrote:
Central planning is an economic system. The stateless economy proposed by Communists where industries are owned by everyone collectively and run by workers' councils is a economic system. Communism is simply a political ideology that would bring these things about. So you may call these economic systems Communist, and you would be right because they are results and symptoms of Communist thought, but they are not Communism in and of themselves. Communism is, like all other ideologies, a system of values held towards a given end. It is not the end itself.


Actually, throughout the history of communist theory, communism has referred to an economic system.


Not entirely true.

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Arborlawn
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Postby Arborlawn » Wed May 16, 2012 3:16 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Actually, throughout the history of communist theory, communism has referred to an economic system.


Not entirely true.


He is correct. This is not entirely true. Many times, communism has occurred as both an economic and political system as was the case in Soviet Union, and as an economic and social system in China. Today, it is defined as an economic, social, and political philosophy for those of us that follow Marxism as a philosophy denouncing materialism, etc.
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-It All
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Postby -It All » Thu May 17, 2012 2:12 am

Anarchist, I hobbled around for different idealogies for a while, when suddenly I had the point of: 'Well, fuck that'.

Beyond that point lays anarchism, I think.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Thu May 17, 2012 5:08 am

Last fall, the massacres of peaceful protesters in Oakland and at UC Davis opened my eyes to the extent to which capital would go to protect its power. I had previously held, with most US-style Libertarians and Objectivists, that there was no coercive power inherent in the unlimited private accumulation of wealth--but when I saw the urgency with which capital defended their hoardings against people who weren't actually trying to march in and seize anything but were just speaking out, I realized that yes, wealth is very much a form of coercive power that can be wielded against others, and is every bit as pernicious as coercion by direct force.

I still consider myself a libertarian and Objectivist, but I now hold that the vast majority of Objectivists and US-style Libertarians are gravely mistaken about the ultimate practical political and ethical conclusions of their basic worldview and goals and desires. Capitalism is not the answer--it's the problem.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu May 17, 2012 7:12 am

Zottistan wrote:Radical. Because if no one was radical, there would be too many conservatives.


Radical as well, though you don't need to be left or right to be radical.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 17, 2012 7:27 am

Because empathy and compassion factor into my political beliefs.
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Ellorn
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Postby Ellorn » Thu May 17, 2012 7:33 am

The reason why I'm left wing... 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Khadgar wrote:How long is the statue, generally speaking, anyway?

statute damn it. Seriously, like nails on a chalkboard. Statue of limitations sounds like lady liberty yelling "THOU SHALT NOT PASS" at the courtroom steps, like Gandalf fighting the Balrog.

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Kalibarr
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Postby Kalibarr » Thu May 17, 2012 7:44 am

Ellorn wrote:The reason why I'm left wing... 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


That got old a long time ago

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 17, 2012 7:47 am

Kalibarr wrote:
Ellorn wrote:The reason why I'm left wing... 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


That got old a long time ago

Agreed. THIS is the new troll vid.
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Postby Ellorn » Thu May 17, 2012 7:50 am

Kalibarr wrote:
Ellorn wrote:The reason why I'm left wing... 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


That got old a long time ago


Still love doing it though :lol:
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Khadgar wrote:How long is the statue, generally speaking, anyway?

statute damn it. Seriously, like nails on a chalkboard. Statue of limitations sounds like lady liberty yelling "THOU SHALT NOT PASS" at the courtroom steps, like Gandalf fighting the Balrog.

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Postby NyxNyke » Thu May 17, 2012 8:21 am

Divair wrote:
Nidaria wrote:I do not have much time, but look up the French and Russian Revolutions. Those societies were completely liberal.

Violent revolutions and authoritarianism? No, sorry, that is not liberalism.

I am constantly amazed at how people continue to try and make that claim when all of the facts show otherwise. They were textbook examples of communist tactics and ideology. Modern usage of liberalism is just a false flag for communism. Earlier eras used the term for what we today call Libertarian.
My beliefs are based on reading history and human nature. The ideology of the left thrives on making problems worse not fixing them.
The ideology of the so call right appears to be driven by the left and limited to turning the christian churches into a corrupt form that functions like mosques to control society. Moderates sip the poison instead of gulping it down. The concepts of forcing false choices on people (like NS dose) is to control public thought.

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Postby Vecherd » Thu May 17, 2012 8:31 am

I am a Voluntaryist and an Individualist.

I do not believe in a government, while I could support Minarchism, it is disgusting that a firm will claim that they moral superiority to the society. Not only does this firm steal from you, kill innocent people and take away peoples possibility to follow their dreams and ideas but even say that they know what is best for you and claim to be better than you. And as if it is supposed to make it better, this firm calls itself the state.

The state has no right to control the society in the direction they claim is the best.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 17, 2012 9:03 am

Ovisterra wrote:Badly constructed poll is badly constructed.

I chose this set of beliefs because I believe them to be the best ones around. Why else would I?

Comedy value.

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Luka
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Postby Luka » Thu May 17, 2012 10:12 am

I can not for the life of me put a specific title on my political beliefs. I got my beliefs from common sense and what I personally feel would provide equality and progressive movement forward. I'm real big on equality!

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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu May 17, 2012 10:13 am

NyxNyke wrote:
Divair wrote:Violent revolutions and authoritarianism? No, sorry, that is not liberalism.

I am constantly amazed at how people continue to try and make that claim when all of the facts show otherwise. They were textbook examples of communist tactics and ideology. Modern usage of liberalism is just a false flag for communism. Earlier eras used the term for what we today call Libertarian.
My beliefs are based on reading history and human nature. The ideology of the left thrives on making problems worse not fixing them.
The ideology of the so call right appears to be driven by the left and limited to turning the christian churches into a corrupt form that functions like mosques to control society. Moderates sip the poison instead of gulping it down. The concepts of forcing false choices on people (like NS dose) is to control public thought.

So wait... The Jacobins, who overthrew the unjust privilege of the feudal order, instituted capitalist property relations enabling merchants, bankers, artisans and nascent industrialists to begin building capitalism were communists?

Sorry, but you don't get to excommunicate classic liberals based on your own prejudices. Because Thomas Paine, who supported welfare states as a means of ensuring a free society and equality of opportunity, was one of the most important classic liberals, and you cannot change that. The same with John Stuart Mill, who was an avowed socialist as well as classic liberal. You don't get to excommunicate him because he doesn't line up with your false conception of liberalism.
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Postby Ovisterra » Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Badly constructed poll is badly constructed.

I chose this set of beliefs because I believe them to be the best ones around. Why else would I?

Comedy value.


You don't choose your beliefs for comedy value, you choose what to make people think you believe in for comedy value.
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Postby Aleprennia » Thu May 17, 2012 10:22 am

I'm a Social Democrat/Putinist. I chose them recently as i'm always thinking what's the best way to run a country, but I always change my mind within a couple of weeks.
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