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by Meryuma » Wed May 16, 2012 2:55 pm
Greater Americania wrote:Helcasia wrote:Supposedly they were aspiring to the goal of establishing a communist nation, however that only makes them communist in the way that a person is a communist. They are not examples of communism, they are examples of communists.
What you say makes absolutely no sense. Communism is an ideology, not a state of being. If someone or something (such as a nation or state) believes in Communism, it is Communist. Just because they never finally succeeded in implementing their plans on a global scale does not change who they were or what they believed in at all.
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by Burzzon » Wed May 16, 2012 2:55 pm

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by Greater Americania » Wed May 16, 2012 3:00 pm
Meryuma wrote:Communism is also an economic system.

by Nightkill the Emperor » Wed May 16, 2012 3:02 pm
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by Terio » Wed May 16, 2012 3:02 pm

by Meryuma » Wed May 16, 2012 3:04 pm
Greater Americania wrote:Meryuma wrote:Communism is also an economic system.
Central planning is an economic system. The stateless economy proposed by Communists where industries are owned by everyone collectively and run by workers' councils is a economic system. Communism is simply a political ideology that would bring these things about. So you may call these economic systems Communist, and you would be right because they are results and symptoms of Communist thought, but they are not Communism in and of themselves. Communism is, like all other ideologies, a system of values held towards a given end. It is not the end itself.
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

by Choronzon » Wed May 16, 2012 3:07 pm
Meryuma wrote:Greater Americania wrote:
Central planning is an economic system. The stateless economy proposed by Communists where industries are owned by everyone collectively and run by workers' councils is a economic system. Communism is simply a political ideology that would bring these things about. So you may call these economic systems Communist, and you would be right because they are results and symptoms of Communist thought, but they are not Communism in and of themselves. Communism is, like all other ideologies, a system of values held towards a given end. It is not the end itself.
Actually, throughout the history of communist theory, communism has referred to an economic system.

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Zottistan wrote:Radical. Because if no one was radical, there would be too many conservatives.

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by Trotskylvania » Thu May 17, 2012 10:13 am
NyxNyke wrote:Divair wrote:Violent revolutions and authoritarianism? No, sorry, that is not liberalism.
I am constantly amazed at how people continue to try and make that claim when all of the facts show otherwise. They were textbook examples of communist tactics and ideology. Modern usage of liberalism is just a false flag for communism. Earlier eras used the term for what we today call Libertarian.
My beliefs are based on reading history and human nature. The ideology of the left thrives on making problems worse not fixing them.
The ideology of the so call right appears to be driven by the left and limited to turning the christian churches into a corrupt form that functions like mosques to control society. Moderates sip the poison instead of gulping it down. The concepts of forcing false choices on people (like NS dose) is to control public thought.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga

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