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What are you?

Conservative
53
16%
Moderate
44
13%
Liberal
61
19%
Reactionary
6
2%
Radical
20
6%
Fascist
19
6%
National Socialist
21
6%
Anarchist
20
6%
Minarchist
20
6%
Other
62
19%
 
Total votes : 326

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Herskerstad
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed May 16, 2012 10:55 am

Trotskylvania wrote:I did not choose them. They chose me. I was merely pulled from the stone like Excalibur.


You're a bit of a megalomaniac aren't you? :P

As for myself. I suppose by now I've been a bit all over the spectrum. I was fiercely liberal when I was young, yet, I suppose seeing some of the fruits of their work, as well as their ideologically directed social-engineering yields less than desirable results in the long run. While some aspects of it can work within certain situations, it often falls into corruption, or economical cycles that simply are unsustainable. While generally strong at growing an economy, tend to be horrifically bad at generating a surplus or reforming services when the fiscal reality demands it and this is a negative trait that has only grown on both parties in the last 3 decades. Modern Republicans after Reagan failed to gain the same returns on his investments he made, while also giving money to just about whoever was asking. Going after the rather dangerous policy of cutting taxes and raising spending.

I suppose I am a soft-core nationalist and full-blooded conservative. I may place a bit too much faith in statistics, but the poverty drive can directly be attributed to social standings which in some states, stand encouraged by social security. I do believe in effective government. but it's safe to say the US has not had serious economic deregulation since Reagan, who also bailed out the economy 'successfully' by taking large loans. While I do believe in effective government more than big or small government. I also believe Thatcher was spot on when she said that all our other liberties depend on if the government defines itself as the master or the servant of it's people. The modern age political divide I think will yield exciting, and turbulent developments with the birth of modern nationalism. I also think the divide in Europe will focus mostly on Conservative/Small Government/Nationalist alliances against Left/Socialist/Green Alliances.
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Meryuma
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Postby Meryuma » Wed May 16, 2012 11:25 am

The Drone Empire wrote:Liberal, since its not conservative.

When Liberal turns evil, conservative, cause its not liberal.


Yay for treachery! :lol:


You know, there are more than 2 political ideologies.

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Did you mean to say "state society" as opposed to "stateless society"?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 16, 2012 1:08 pm

Meryuma wrote:
The Drone Empire wrote:


Did you mean to say "state society" as opposed to "stateless society"?


whoops yes my mistake its classless state society now.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed May 16, 2012 1:17 pm

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Inter de Milano
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Founded: Feb 16, 2012
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Postby Inter de Milano » Wed May 16, 2012 1:19 pm

My religious beliefs have been the most important factor in my politics. I'm a mixture of social conservative and economic moderate to liberal
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Postby Knowlandia » Wed May 16, 2012 1:24 pm

I'm a Socialist. I think society has the tools and potential to do things that we can not even imagine, and yet the potential is used by the few to make money while exploiting the majority. That being said, I'm a bit of a Moral Conservative. I think certain social structures are good for a society, specifically a strong family unit.
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Postby Altmora » Wed May 16, 2012 1:25 pm

I am Moderate. Its really because I think there are good things in all ideologies (and by all I mean Social Democracy, Libertarian and Conservative) I was Libertarian a while back, but then found myself drawn to bigger government. I hold beliefs in all three, therefore Im a Moderate.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed May 16, 2012 1:25 pm

Malaysii wrote:Well, my mother and father are both liberals, and so is most of my family. Also, I live in Northern California, right near San Francisco, so..

But I don't think I could be conservative even if I tried. It seems ridiculous.

I thought the same at one time... but instead of turning conservative, I turned into a wannabe Ron Paul (economically conservative, but far too Libertarian for the GOP's desires.
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Thespinia
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Postby Thespinia » Wed May 16, 2012 1:28 pm

I consider myself to be a pro-democracy liberal libertatiran monarchistic anarcho-socio-pacifist. I guess I just bounced off my conservative parents and my very conservative (read near-supporter of the BNP) grandmother... I used to consider myself as a communist back in the day, but then real-world examples (USSR and other long-gone nations) changed my view. I still consider myself a bit of a dirty Red at times though, especially when posing in berets and beards looking manfully towards the far distance is an option. EL CHE VIVE! :P
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed May 16, 2012 1:30 pm

They weren't chosen. They evolved. Beliefs that refused to conform to reality were eventually exterminated by arguments, beliefs that mutated and adapted survived.
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Greater Americania
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Postby Greater Americania » Wed May 16, 2012 1:36 pm

I started off as a social conservative when I was younger. I became increasingly disillusioned with the ideology as time went on because I had always been more socially-minded, prefering to look at politics in a matter of what could benefit the society, the people, the nation best. This put me in start contrast to most other conservatives, who tend to look at politics as a business opportunity for themselves; in what way can they make the most money? Not only this, but I was also very upset at the inability and quite frankly unwillingness of conservatives to cross the line drawn by the liberals and put their policies into power.

Overall, I found many of them simply too moderate. I was first exposed to fascist literature at age 15 (nearly 5 years ago now), and I was highly impressed by the idea of a society wherein the government does what is best for society overall, free from the constraints of ridiculous theories of social equality, or of a heavily corrupted and bureaucratic democracy. Because I was so disillusioned with everything that I had been taught to believe up to that point, I was a very easy convert to a system that was constructed around the idea of government that I had slowly started to desire on my own.

Since then I have taken in other influences, moving slowly away from my conservative beginnings towards a strong agreement with much of a Fascist/National Socialist line. I've also ironically taken influences from some Socialist literature, but far from convining me to become a Communist, it has only persuaded me towards a strong anti-free market view on Capitalist economics, which in my view can easily be used as a tool for unfair and unjust economic oppression of many for the profit of a few.
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Postby Helcasia » Wed May 16, 2012 1:59 pm

Thespinia wrote:I consider myself to be a pro-democracy liberal libertatiran monarchistic anarcho-socio-pacifist. I guess I just bounced off my conservative parents and my very conservative (read near-supporter of the BNP) grandmother... I used to consider myself as a communist back in the day, but then real-world examples (USSR and other long-gone nations) changed my view. I still consider myself a bit of a dirty Red at times though, especially when posing in berets and beards looking manfully towards the far distance is an option. EL CHE VIVE! :P


USSR is not an example of communism. Neither is China. Nor is Vietnam. North Korea certainly isn't.
The closest thing to examples of communism in the real world are the Kibbutzim in Israel, especially those which did not deviate from the path of the original/traditional Kibbutzim.

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Postby Greater Americania » Wed May 16, 2012 2:04 pm

Helcasia wrote:USSR is not an example of communism. Neither is China. Nor is Vietnam. North Korea certainly isn't.
The closest thing to examples of communism in the real world are the Kibbutzim in Israel, especially those which did not deviate from the path of the original/traditional Kibbutzim.


All of which are examples of countries aspiring towards the Communist end-goal of a classless stateless society. So yes, they are real-world Communist nations.
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Member of the Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization

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Economic Left/Right: 2.0, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21
President: Austin Farley
Vice President: John Raimark
Secretary of State: Jason Lee
Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
Secretary of Federal Security: Ross Ferrell
-Chief of Interior Security Forces: General James Calley
Secretary of Territorial Administration: Brandon Terry
-Governor of Tlozuk: Jarod Harris
-Governor of Comaack: John Fargo
*Territories are foreign nations which have been annexed by the Federal Republic

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Postby Vestr-Norig » Wed May 16, 2012 2:09 pm

I always have problems picking the ideology i belong to out of these polls. I am social conservative and economically leftist. I don't think I really choose my belifs, I think it is more that the society I grew up in formed me this way.
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Postby Helcasia » Wed May 16, 2012 2:09 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Helcasia wrote:USSR is not an example of communism. Neither is China. Nor is Vietnam. North Korea certainly isn't.
The closest thing to examples of communism in the real world are the Kibbutzim in Israel, especially those which did not deviate from the path of the original/traditional Kibbutzim.


All of which are examples of countries aspiring towards the Communist end-goal of a classless stateless society. So yes, they are real-world Communist nations.


Supposedly they were aspiring to the goal of establishing a communist nation, however that only makes them communist in the way that a person is a communist. They are not examples of communism, they are examples of communists.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Wed May 16, 2012 2:12 pm

I haven't put much thought to it, funnily enough. It really depends on the issue.
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Postby Ravineworld » Wed May 16, 2012 2:13 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Anarcho-communist environmentalist feminist pacifist individualist here.

It's all based on my morals I guess.

Basically this without the feminist and pacifist part.
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed May 16, 2012 2:13 pm

Badly constructed poll is badly constructed.

I chose this set of beliefs because I believe them to be the best ones around. Why else would I?
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Postby Choronzon » Wed May 16, 2012 2:36 pm

Once you realize that your view on the world, your way of life, and your state of being are not the only correct ways to exist then there really isn't much choice left when it comes to ones political position.

I value freedom, the freedom for others to live their lives in a way that maximizes their own personal happiness.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed May 16, 2012 2:39 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:I did not choose them. They chose me. I was merely pulled from the stone like Excalibur.


You're a bit of a megalomaniac aren't you? :P

No sir, I'm just the puppet who sees the strings :p
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed May 16, 2012 2:43 pm

I wanted freedom for everyone and people to easily do business, while still making sure everyone's taken care of
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed May 16, 2012 2:43 pm

My dad raised me and was a hawk republican that was pro-gay marriage

I'm his gay son that is a Nationalist and socially libertarian and aggressive foreign policy. So that turned into a evolution.
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Artanili Datium
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Postby Artanili Datium » Wed May 16, 2012 2:44 pm

I just went with what I thought right.

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed May 16, 2012 2:45 pm

I didn't really pick them. I figure that my upbringing and life experiences has shaped how I view the world.
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Postby Greater Americania » Wed May 16, 2012 2:48 pm

Helcasia wrote:Supposedly they were aspiring to the goal of establishing a communist nation, however that only makes them communist in the way that a person is a communist. They are not examples of communism, they are examples of communists.


What you say makes absolutely no sense. Communism is an ideology, not a state of being. If someone or something (such as a nation or state) believes in Communism, it is Communist. Just because they never finally succeeded in implementing their plans on a global scale does not change who they were or what they believed in at all.
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Original Founder of the Nationalist Union
Member of the Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization

Nationalist Republic, governed by the National Republican Party
Economic Left/Right: 2.0, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21
President: Austin Farley
Vice President: John Raimark
Secretary of State: Jason Lee
Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
Secretary of Federal Security: Ross Ferrell
-Chief of Interior Security Forces: General James Calley
Secretary of Territorial Administration: Brandon Terry
-Governor of Tlozuk: Jarod Harris
-Governor of Comaack: John Fargo
*Territories are foreign nations which have been annexed by the Federal Republic

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