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What are you?

Conservative
53
16%
Moderate
44
13%
Liberal
61
19%
Reactionary
6
2%
Radical
20
6%
Fascist
19
6%
National Socialist
21
6%
Anarchist
20
6%
Minarchist
20
6%
Other
62
19%
 
Total votes : 326

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Nidaria
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Founded: Mar 30, 2012
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Postby Nidaria » Thu May 10, 2012 2:00 pm

I am a traditionalist (somewhat similar to a conservative, but I believe that returning to a society similar to that in the Medieval Era is optimal).

I used to be somewhat liberal before, but the effect of my parents and my Catholic home-schooling transformed me to what I am today.
"He who denies the existence of God has some reason for wishing that God did not exist." --St. Augustine
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"When statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties... they lead their country by a short route to chaos." --St. Thomas More
Anti-gay, Pro-life, Traditionalist, Libertarian, Non-interventionist, Loyal Roman Catholic
Cosmopolitan/Nationalistic 25%
Secular/Fundamentalist 67%
Visionary/Reactionary 21%
Anarchistic/Authoritarian 6%
Communist/Capitalist 41%
Pacifist/Militaristic 7%
Ecological/Anthropocentric 52%

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Divair
Khan of Spam
 
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Founded: May 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Divair » Thu May 10, 2012 2:04 pm

The Drone Empire wrote:Liberal, since its not conservative.

When Liberal turns evil, conservative, cause its not liberal.


Yay for treachery! :lol:

Liberalism is rarely evil.

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Nidaria
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Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Nidaria » Thu May 10, 2012 2:05 pm

Divair wrote:
The Drone Empire wrote:Liberal, since its not conservative.

When Liberal turns evil, conservative, cause its not liberal.


Yay for treachery! :lol:

Liberalism is rarely evil.

History has shown otherwise, but that is entirely your opinion. Believe whatever you want.
"He who denies the existence of God has some reason for wishing that God did not exist." --St. Augustine
"There is only one difference between genius and stupidity: genius has limits." --Albert Einstein
"When statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties... they lead their country by a short route to chaos." --St. Thomas More
Anti-gay, Pro-life, Traditionalist, Libertarian, Non-interventionist, Loyal Roman Catholic
Cosmopolitan/Nationalistic 25%
Secular/Fundamentalist 67%
Visionary/Reactionary 21%
Anarchistic/Authoritarian 6%
Communist/Capitalist 41%
Pacifist/Militaristic 7%
Ecological/Anthropocentric 52%

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Divair
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Founded: May 06, 2009
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Postby Divair » Thu May 10, 2012 2:06 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Divair wrote:Liberalism is rarely evil.

History has shown otherwise, but that is entirely your opinion. Believe whatever you want.

Elaborate.

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Noobubersland
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Posts: 6170
Founded: Feb 10, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Noobubersland » Thu May 10, 2012 2:28 pm

Situational socialist, I just believe it's the right option, kind of weird seeing as the rest of my family has a bit of a Junker, Heer, und Reich mentality
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Nazi Flower Power
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Founded: Jun 24, 2010
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu May 10, 2012 9:00 pm

I'm a National Socialist because we have the sexiest uniforms and the most awesome political symbols. Plus Untermenschen need to die.
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Crabcake Baba Ganoush
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Founded: Jul 12, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Crabcake Baba Ganoush » Mon May 14, 2012 6:25 am

Because all of the other political beliefs out there are wrong...

Actually I hate that mentality.

The thing of it is that both sides of any political spectrum tend to make valid points. Everybody has their reason for believing what they do, that doesn't necessarily mean that their reasoning will work in all situations.

Though lately I'm been more concerned that humanity is on the verge of bringing about it's own downfall. While I want to help slow it down, part of me realizes that it's inevitable. The problem is that both sides often have ideals that can help accelerate or slow the process down.

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Nidaria
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Founded: Mar 30, 2012
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Postby Nidaria » Mon May 14, 2012 8:35 am

Divair wrote:
Nidaria wrote:History has shown otherwise, but that is entirely your opinion. Believe whatever you want.

Elaborate.

I do not have much time, but look up the French and Russian Revolutions. Those societies were completely liberal.
"He who denies the existence of God has some reason for wishing that God did not exist." --St. Augustine
"There is only one difference between genius and stupidity: genius has limits." --Albert Einstein
"When statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties... they lead their country by a short route to chaos." --St. Thomas More
Anti-gay, Pro-life, Traditionalist, Libertarian, Non-interventionist, Loyal Roman Catholic
Cosmopolitan/Nationalistic 25%
Secular/Fundamentalist 67%
Visionary/Reactionary 21%
Anarchistic/Authoritarian 6%
Communist/Capitalist 41%
Pacifist/Militaristic 7%
Ecological/Anthropocentric 52%

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The Emerald Legion
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Founded: Mar 18, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon May 14, 2012 8:36 am

Nidaria wrote:I am a traditionalist (somewhat similar to a conservative, but I believe that returning to a society similar to that in the Medieval Era is optimal).

I used to be somewhat liberal before, but the effect of my parents and my Catholic home-schooling transformed me to what I am today.


Medieval Era with modern tech? Sounds awesome.
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Divair
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Founded: May 06, 2009
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Postby Divair » Mon May 14, 2012 8:36 am

Nidaria wrote:
Divair wrote:Elaborate.

I do not have much time, but look up the French and Russian Revolutions. Those societies were completely liberal.

Violent revolutions and authoritarianism? No, sorry, that is not liberalism.

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Nightkill the Emperor
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Founded: Dec 28, 2009
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue May 15, 2012 4:52 pm

I'm liberal largely because it made sense to me.
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GrandKirche
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Founded: Jan 31, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby GrandKirche » Tue May 15, 2012 4:56 pm

Conservative, but the British sort are rather different to the American.

I chose it because the Conservative Party agreed with my beliefs in individual rights and struck the balance right between avoiding government meddling and having a safety net.
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Cruciland
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Posts: 4649
Founded: Dec 22, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Cruciland » Tue May 15, 2012 5:01 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm liberal largely because it made sense to me.

HOW?
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Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.

The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.

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Nightkill the Emperor
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Founded: Dec 28, 2009
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue May 15, 2012 5:09 pm

Cruciland wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm liberal largely because it made sense to me.

HOW?

How what?

I grew up in an extremely conservative but rapidly modernising society- Bombay, India. My family was primarily radical Hindus and communist-leaning and bigots. A bunch of stuff happened in my childhood that I don't particularly care to explain, which ended up with me leaving home with no general purpose. I got other perspectives, became more religious by finding out more about other religions and beliefs and became a follower of a more moderate belief. I immigrated to the United States.

After looking at my past bigoted beliefs and recognizing they were quite similar to that of an Indian Ku Klux Klan, I generally decided that I had no right to decide social issues like gay marriage or abortion and that people had the right to do what they wished- if it does not harm me or society, I have no right to oppose it. In the case of gay marriage, it makes no sense to me why homosexuals should not be allowed to marry, a right which straight couples possess.

Economically, I'm opposed to communism and socialism, but have no true opinion beyond that.

General overview of why I'm a USA liberal.
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I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
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Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Cruciland
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Founded: Dec 22, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Cruciland » Tue May 15, 2012 5:48 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Cruciland wrote:HOW?

How what?

I grew up in an extremely conservative but rapidly modernising society- Bombay, India. My family was primarily radical Hindus and communist-leaning and bigots. A bunch of stuff happened in my childhood that I don't particularly care to explain, which ended up with me leaving home with no general purpose. I got other perspectives, became more religious by finding out more about other religions and beliefs and became a follower of a more moderate belief. I immigrated to the United States.

After looking at my past bigoted beliefs and recognizing they were quite similar to that of an Indian Ku Klux Klan, I generally decided that I had no right to decide social issues like gay marriage or abortion and that people had the right to do what they wished- if it does not harm me or society, I have no right to oppose it. In the case of gay marriage, it makes no sense to me why homosexuals should not be allowed to marry, a right which straight couples possess.

Economically, I'm opposed to communism and socialism, but have no true opinion beyond that.

General overview of why I'm a USA liberal.

An Indian KKK? Jeez, no wonder you changed to liberalism- you must really radically want to be as far from them as possible...
THREADS SINGLE-HANDEDLY KILLED: 29 | Beliefs IBeliefs IIBeliefs III
Crucilandians - Old Capital - New Capital | A 4.8 civilization, according to this index.
Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.

The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.

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Trotskylvania
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Founded: Jul 07, 2006
Ex-Nation

Postby Trotskylvania » Tue May 15, 2012 5:50 pm

I did not choose them. They chose me. I was merely pulled from the stone like Excalibur.
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Nightkill the Emperor
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Founded: Dec 28, 2009
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue May 15, 2012 5:51 pm

Cruciland wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:How what?

I grew up in an extremely conservative but rapidly modernising society- Bombay, India. My family was primarily radical Hindus and communist-leaning and bigots. A bunch of stuff happened in my childhood that I don't particularly care to explain, which ended up with me leaving home with no general purpose. I got other perspectives, became more religious by finding out more about other religions and beliefs and became a follower of a more moderate belief. I immigrated to the United States.

After looking at my past bigoted beliefs and recognizing they were quite similar to that of an Indian Ku Klux Klan, I generally decided that I had no right to decide social issues like gay marriage or abortion and that people had the right to do what they wished- if it does not harm me or society, I have no right to oppose it. In the case of gay marriage, it makes no sense to me why homosexuals should not be allowed to marry, a right which straight couples possess.

Economically, I'm opposed to communism and socialism, but have no true opinion beyond that.

General overview of why I'm a USA liberal.

An Indian KKK? Jeez, no wonder you changed to liberalism- you must really radically want to be as far from them as possible...

Sure why not.
Hi! I'm Khan, your local misanthropic Indian.
I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
P2TM RP Discussion Thread
If you want a good rp, read this shit.
Tiami is cool.
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Ragnarsdomr
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Posts: 2083
Founded: Sep 06, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Ragnarsdomr » Tue May 15, 2012 5:58 pm

Once upon a time, when I was in middle school, I stumbled across a book called The Communist Manifesto and Other Political Writings in an overtly capitalistic bookstore whose name shall remain unspoken of. Two years later, my head had been hit enough times during waterpolo that I took it upon myself to think for myself, and realize that I really didn't agree with Marx, Kropotkin, or many others within that book or others.

Since then, I've moved from the foolishness of my younger years to a newly inspired Red Toryism via centrist democratic values. So, yeah.
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Cameroi
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Postby Cameroi » Tue May 15, 2012 6:50 pm

why? simply because i refuse to knowingly lie to myself.
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Cruciland
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Founded: Dec 22, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Cruciland » Wed May 16, 2012 4:48 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Cruciland wrote:An Indian KKK? Jeez, no wonder you changed to liberalism- you must really radically want to be as far from them as possible...

Sure why not.

Aye- well, I can certainly tell you that not every form of bigotry is poisonous. It'd be easier if you opposed both the wicked and the KKK, than go crazy and oppose the holy and the KKK... :hug:
THREADS SINGLE-HANDEDLY KILLED: 29 | Beliefs IBeliefs IIBeliefs III
Crucilandians - Old Capital - New Capital | A 4.8 civilization, according to this index.
Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.

The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 16, 2012 7:54 am

Communist, marxist specificly but bit of a trotskyist and a leninist.

I chose this ideology as my political beliefs as i belive in the creation of classless state society where all work together for the benefit of the many instead of the few with education, healthcare being free, a job and a home guranteed for everybody, the means of production being in the hands of the workers and not in the hands of the capitalist upperclass and the abolition of class slavery, wage and struggle.(Leninist point): i believe in the creation of a vanguard party of socially elected officials to fufil the roles of President(Premier, prime minister etc) ministers and other officials. (Trotskyist point): I believe that a single communist country cannot exist on its own and needs support andaide from other nations so i am in favour of dimplomatic actions to bring other nations to the communist ideology, trade negotiations and other examples and if need be send forces to help another ocuntry when it is threatened by an outside threat.
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Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 159049
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Wed May 16, 2012 9:05 am

Rights are cool, and it only seems fair that everyone gets them. Thus, dirty liberal.

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Tashkveny
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 105
Founded: Dec 21, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Tashkveny » Wed May 16, 2012 9:16 am

I'm a liberal nationalist. I am a (non-xenophobic) nationalist, but I also believe in the ideals of liberalism.
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The Jahistic Unified Republic
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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Wed May 16, 2012 10:16 am

Libertarian-Conservative. Or a Moralistic Libertarian. I chose them because I believe that people should have morals in the community sense, but not Federal Laws (unless you live outside the US... then since you don't have State system, please ignore that last comment). I believe that buisness is good, morals are good and less laws the better. Thats just me.

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-It All
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Founded: Feb 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby -It All » Wed May 16, 2012 10:27 am

Anarchist, pretty much.
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