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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:03 pm

Khanatah wrote:
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Then.......don't take part in it?

So... starve to death?

I'm a consumer by force, not willingness.

I don't want to take part in it.


Join a commune.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:05 pm

Norstal wrote:I'm pointing out that you're doing the same damn thing, albeit at a lesser scale, but instead it is for your own enjoyment. Those investors lost money, because someone had stolen it from them. It is no better than pickpocketing another individual. The problem you're fighting will still exist and nothing is changed.

Trying to legitimize stealing will never work.

It's not for my personal enjoyment. (that's just a side benefit)

You are right that society doesn't change and the gears keep moving. But you can do a lot of things with intellectual and communal theft. Take care of a lot of people. Help your friends, family, community.

And eventually tear down the whole system so the poor wittle investors betting on commodities don't get stung because some kids would like to eat without getting bilked $20.

Stealing from the rich is moral.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:05 pm

Norstal wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Grow your own veggies. Herd your own sheep to make your own clothes.

Or just buy from the manufacturer. God, this is the 21st century.


I know, but he says he's forced to be a consumer. He isn't. He just hasn't made the right choice yet to cut himself off, there are communes and stuff.
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Wilgrove
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:07 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Norstal wrote:I'm pointing out that you're doing the same damn thing, albeit at a lesser scale, but instead it is for your own enjoyment. Those investors lost money, because someone had stolen it from them. It is no better than pickpocketing another individual. The problem you're fighting will still exist and nothing is changed.

Trying to legitimize stealing will never work.

It's not for my personal enjoyment. (that's just a side benefit)

You are right that society doesn't change and the gears keep moving. But you can do a lot of things with intellectual and communal theft. Take care of a lot of people. Help your friends, family, community.

And eventually tear down the whole system so the poor wittle investors betting on commodities don't get stung because some kids would like to eat without getting bilked $20.

Stealing from the rich is moral.


Stealing is never moral, sorry and you're hurting your own communist cause by doing so. I'm sure NSG's communist are reading your post right now and pulling their hair out.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:07 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Khanatah wrote:So... starve to death?

I'm a consumer by force, not willingness.

I don't want to take part in it.


Join a commune.

Sadly so few of those nowadays, and I've been unable to find some near me. Sadly this is North America where ideas of such community were blasted away as cultish and communist many decades ago.

But a commune is ultimately where I plan to get to since I don't expect capitalism to fall during my lifetime.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:07 pm

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Norstal wrote:Or just buy from the manufacturer. God, this is the 21st century.


I know, but he says he's forced to be a consumer. He isn't. He just hasn't made the right choice yet to cut himself off, there are communes and stuff.


I thought about joining a commune at one point, but I dunno if they'd let me put in my own air strip. Hey, gotta have my flying hobby.

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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:08 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Join a commune.

Sadly so few of those nowadays, and I've been unable to find some near me. Sadly this is North America where ideas of such community were blasted away as cultish and communist many decades ago.

But a commune is ultimately where I plan to get to since I don't expect capitalism to fall during my lifetime.


You were saying?

Seriously, do some damn research.....that's what the Internet is for.....well that and porn.

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Postby New Dusty Angels » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:09 pm

I've learned that some people have really soft hands like powder and such.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:09 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Stealing is never moral, sorry and you're hurting your own communist cause by doing so. I'm sure NSG's communist are reading your post right now and pulling their hair out.

If they are liberal crybabies who only vote for communist parties and buy ridiculous worker's newspapers instead of actually learning about the ideology, than maybe they'll disagree with me.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:10 pm

New Dusty Angels wrote:I've learned that some people have really soft hands like powder and such.


You have such purdy hands, and such purdy lips. :p

Sorry...had to be done.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:11 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Khanatah wrote:So... starve to death?

I'm a consumer by force, not willingness.

I don't want to take part in it.


Grow your own veggies. Herd your own sheep to make your own clothes.

I don't even have a back or front yard, never mind the space for sheep, lol
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:11 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
New Dusty Angels wrote:I've learned that some people have really soft hands like powder and such.


You have such purdy hands, and such purdy lips. :p

Sorry...had to be done.

*presses against Wilgrove*

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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:12 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
You have such purdy hands, and such purdy lips. :p

Sorry...had to be done.

*presses against Wilgrove*

Your eyes... YOUR EYES!!


What...what about them?! *scratches own eyes out*

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:13 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:*presses against Wilgrove*

Your eyes... YOUR EYES!!


What...what about them?! *scratches own eyes out*

They so purdy. :P

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:13 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Khanatah wrote:Sadly so few of those nowadays, and I've been unable to find some near me. Sadly this is North America where ideas of such community were blasted away as cultish and communist many decades ago.

But a commune is ultimately where I plan to get to since I don't expect capitalism to fall during my lifetime.


You were saying?

Seriously, do some damn research.....that's what the Internet is for.....well that and porn.

You're taking some irritating leaps in logic. You don't think I've looked into this?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:14 pm

Khanatah wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Grow your own veggies. Herd your own sheep to make your own clothes.

I don't even have a back or front yard, never mind the space for sheep, lol


Get a yard. Oh wait, that requires you to become a bigger consumer :p
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Wilgrove
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:14 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
What...what about them?! *scratches own eyes out*

They so purdy. :P


Well.....not anymore....I scratched them out. :p

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:14 pm

Khanatah wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Grow your own veggies. Herd your own sheep to make your own clothes.

I don't even have a back or front yard, never mind the space for sheep, lol


You can always have a box garden. People in NY city, for example, grow herbs and small veggies in these gardens, and the best is: you can hang them on your window.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:15 pm

That white guys can rap and not sound like Eminem.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:19 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Why not fight for things that actually help people? Like Universal Healthcare (or Public Option), or how about a better mass transit system in your city or country? Why not fight to inform people through education and the Internet? Fight for a stronger safety net so that poor people don't fall through the cracks? You know, things that'll actually help, because to be honest, this whole Robin Hood thing doesn't do anyone any good, and all it does is set up your eventual capture and incarceration.

I think you need to understand one thing, mainly:
- Shoplifting isn't on the Communist Platform. It's a tactic against capitalism in daily life, not a specific political policy meant to be put into place or considered obligatory.

As a communist, i fight for public healthcare, public ownership of the means of production, public transpiration, etc etc etc. The concept of ideological shoplifting isn't meant to replace these ideals for a better society. It's meant to stave off this society while we continue to work on a better future. I do all those things you just mentioned, which is hilarious. You have a false impression of me as some guy who's entire purpose is to steal, when it's only an action i commit every now and then. Far more often I'm explaining communism and anarchism to people and openly sharing politics with people, since it's more significantly effective for the cause.
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:21 pm

Prison for my politics is low on my list of worries.

I don't expect to be treated well in capitalism, I know where my actions will lead me.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:21 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Why not fight for things that actually help people? Like Universal Healthcare (or Public Option), or how about a better mass transit system in your city or country? Why not fight to inform people through education and the Internet? Fight for a stronger safety net so that poor people don't fall through the cracks? You know, things that'll actually help, because to be honest, this whole Robin Hood thing doesn't do anyone any good, and all it does is set up your eventual capture and incarceration.

I think you need to understand one thing, mainly:
- Shoplifting isn't on the Communist Platform. It's a tactic against capitalism in daily life, not a specific political policy meant to be put into place or considered obligatory.

As a communist, i fight for public healthcare, public ownership of the means of production, public transpiration, etc etc etc. The concept of ideological shoplifting isn't meant to replace these ideals for a better society. It's meant to stave off this society while we continue to work on a better future. I do all those things you just mentioned, which is hilarious. You have a false impression of me as some guy who's entire purpose is to steal, when it's only an action i commit every now and then. Far more often I'm explaining communism and anarchism to people and openly sharing politics with people, since it's more significantly effective for the cause.


Well you haven't really mentioned doing all that till now, can you honestly blame me for getting a false impression based off the information that you gave me?

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Postby Norstal » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:21 pm

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Blasphemy.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:23 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Why not fight for things that actually help people? Like Universal Healthcare (or Public Option), or how about a better mass transit system in your city or country? Why not fight to inform people through education and the Internet? Fight for a stronger safety net so that poor people don't fall through the cracks? You know, things that'll actually help, because to be honest, this whole Robin Hood thing doesn't do anyone any good, and all it does is set up your eventual capture and incarceration.

I think you need to understand one thing, mainly:
- Shoplifting isn't on the Communist Platform. It's a tactic against capitalism in daily life, not a specific political policy meant to be put into place or considered obligatory.

As a communist, i fight for public healthcare, public ownership of the means of production, public transpiration, etc etc etc. The concept of ideological shoplifting isn't meant to replace these ideals for a better society. It's meant to stave off this society while we continue to work on a better future. I do all those things you just mentioned, which is hilarious. You have a false impression of me as some guy who's entire purpose is to steal, when it's only an action i commit every now and then. Far more often I'm explaining communism and anarchism to people and openly sharing politics with people, since it's more significantly effective for the cause.


Public transpiration :blink:
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:24 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Well you haven't really mentioned doing all that till now, can you honestly blame me for getting a false impression based off the information that you gave me?

Well we've mostly been talking about shoplifting so I just tried to stay on topic I suppose.
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