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Khanatah
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:20 pm

That some people are cynical enough to admit they just don't have an ounce of consideration for others, especially when they are gaining from the people they let be abused.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:21 pm

Khanatah wrote:That some people are cynical enough to admit they just don't have an ounce of consideration for others, especially when they are gaining from the people they let be abused.

You say cynical like it is a bad thing...

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Postby Kingdoms of Cal » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:22 pm

^ only learnt that today?!?!?

oops the two above.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:22 pm

Khanatah wrote:That some people are cynical enough to admit they just don't have an ounce of consideration for others, especially when they are gaining from the people they let be abused.


Says the person who admitted to stealing?

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Postby Kingdoms of Cal » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:23 pm

noted that hypocrisy has no bounds
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:23 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Khanatah wrote:That some people are cynical enough to admit they just don't have an ounce of consideration for others, especially when they are gaining from the people they let be abused.

You say cynical like it is a bad thing...

Itself it's not a bad thing.

The way it is used to foster ignorance sometimes upsets me.
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:24 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Khanatah wrote:That some people are cynical enough to admit they just don't have an ounce of consideration for others, especially when they are gaining from the people they let be abused.


Says the person who admitted to stealing?

You see a system of wrongs. Do you fight against it or bend over?
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:25 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Says the person who admitted to stealing?

You see a system of wrongs. Do you fight against it or bend over?


I fight it, but I actually fight it, like lawsuits, protest, boycotts. I don't do passive-aggressive bullshit that only a prepubescent child would do.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:27 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Khanatah wrote:You see a system of wrongs. Do you fight against it or bend over?


I fight it, but I actually fight it, like lawsuits, protest, boycotts. I don't do passive-aggressive bullshit that only a prepubescent child would do.

I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:28 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I fight it, but I actually fight it, like lawsuits, protest, boycotts. I don't do passive-aggressive bullshit that only a prepubescent child would do.

I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.

Hey, As long as you're not lighting yourself on fire in front of the capitol building Zeno's okay with it.

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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:28 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I fight it, but I actually fight it, like lawsuits, protest, boycotts. I don't do passive-aggressive bullshit that only a prepubescent child would do.

I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.


Just because you have the option of using the tools doesn't mean you should. You have to use the tool that is appropriate for the job. Stealing hurts more than just the corporations, it also hurts the consumer because the corporations then will raise prices to make up the loss of revenue of stolen items.

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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:29 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Khanatah wrote:I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.

Hey, As long as you're not lighting yourself on fire in front of the capitol building Zeno's okay with it.

Who's Zeno?

(I'm not an American, it would be Parliament buildings for moi)
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:30 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I fight it, but I actually fight it, like lawsuits, protest, boycotts. I don't do passive-aggressive bullshit that only a prepubescent child would do.

I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.


I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., The Hippies, Gandhi, and that monk who set himself on fire, would disagree with the bolded.

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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:30 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I fight it, but I actually fight it, like lawsuits, protest, boycotts. I don't do passive-aggressive bullshit that only a prepubescent child would do.

I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.


Nope.

That's why you use lawsuits, protests, and boycotts together. Doing illegal things just delegitimizes your entire cause and ruins your public face.
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:35 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Khanatah wrote:I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.


Just because you have the option of using the tools doesn't mean you should. You have to use the tool that is appropriate for the job. Stealing hurts more than just the corporations, it also hurts the consumer because the corporations then will raise prices to make up the loss of revenue of stolen items.

Ultimately I could care less about the prices. Since I'm for tearing every corporation down anyway, I don't care for their welfare. I don't think consumers should be targeted, but I won't refrain from blasting at a corporation just because as usual they pass the buck to others. That amounts to a threat to me.

I think every tool should be considered open for use, including outright violence when the time comes. I mean, I doubt Wal-Mart will be pleased when their buildings are re-purposed.

Stealing a product forces the corporation to pay for it. Often a few stolen products won't be enough for them to raise the prices (I thought supply and demand decided prices?) and as such the workers get off unharmed because of their wage salary, the manufacturer is unharmed because he's already been paid, and the consumer is unharmed because an entire product has been removed from the market.
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:36 pm

L3 Communications wrote:
Khanatah wrote:I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.


Nope.

That's why you use lawsuits, protests, and boycotts together. Doing illegal things just delegitimizes your entire cause and ruins your public face.

Yeah... We're not here for 'good PR', we're here to tell the truth
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:37 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Khanatah wrote:I do those things too.

Merely one of the tools in your disposal.

Lawsuits, protests, boycotts... Don't do much alone.


I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., The Hippies, Gandhi, and that monk who set himself on fire, would disagree with the bolded.

Then you'd be wrong because you haven't got a clue about Dr. King.
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Postby Khanatah » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:38 pm

What have lawsuits, peaceful protests, and boycotts done so far?

Zactly!
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Postby Christantle » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:39 pm

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:39 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., The Hippies, Gandhi, and that monk who set himself on fire, would disagree with the bolded.

Then you'd be wrong because you haven't got a clue about Dr. King.

Indeed. King and Gandhi partially succeeded because the people opposing them were assholes. And the monk who set himself on fire was only a catalyst in a plot that involved the CIA, ARVN, and US Gov't.
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:39 pm

Zeno learned that some people can't use the quote button... :?

And that Chris has reached 5000 posts.

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Postby Christantle » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:40 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:Zeno learned that some people can't use the quote button... :?

And that Chris has reached 5000 posts.

I win. But, this one is to 5,000 actual post that count.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:40 pm

Khanatah wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., The Hippies, Gandhi, and that monk who set himself on fire, would disagree with the bolded.

Then you'd be wrong because you haven't got a clue about Dr. King.

Are you implying he stole something? That's racist.

Khanatah wrote:Ultimately I could care less about the prices. Since I'm for tearing every corporation down anyway, I don't care for their welfare. I don't think consumers should be targeted, but I won't refrain from blasting at a corporation just because as usual they pass the buck to others. That amounts to a threat to me.

I think every tool should be considered open for use, including outright violence when the time comes. I mean, I doubt Wal-Mart will be pleased when their buildings are re-purposed.

Stealing a product forces the corporation to pay for it. Often a few stolen products won't be enough for them to raise the rices (I thought supply and demand decided prices?) and as such the workers get off unharmed because of their wage salary, the manufacturer is unharmed because he's already been paid, and the consumer is unharmed because an entire product has been removed from the market.

But see, you're stealing the product from someone who already bought it legally. It don't matter what your cause is. It's still hypocritical. Do you really not see the hypocrisy? This makes you even worse than the corporation you're stealing from.
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