Viewing Child Pornography online Legal in New York.

[Moogs World]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/viewing-child-pornography-not-crime-according-york-court-165025919.html

Don't really know what to make of this one. No one can really benefit from this law in the slightest. All it is going to do is put children in new york in even greater risk of being exploited and put on the internet for some sicko to gawk at.

EDIT:Sorry, title fix.

completely unsuprised.

Pedophiles are todays homosexuals. just wait, Pedo pride parades are coming. 50 years from now, ill be called a bigot for being against pedophilia.

There is no valid comparison for acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

[Khadgar]

completely unsuprised.

Pedophiles are todays homosexuals. just wait, Pedo pride parades are coming. 50 years from now, ill be called a bigot for being against pedophilia.

There is no comparison between acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Yes it is, he's trolling. Don't fall for it.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well, it shows there's a market for it and encourages the abuse of children to continue. Sure, you're not doing anything, but you're advocating it.
Unless it's lolita, which is probably a separate issue entirely.

Right because when somethings illegal there's no market for it.

Not the point. He said that looking at CP wasn't harmful, it perpetuates the industry. So yes, it is harmful.

[Greed and Death]

In my opinion it is a very good ruling, IF you have been to 4Chan you likely have Cahced images of illegal things.
This appears to be a judge who understands how computers work and the corresponding lack of understanding the public has, so I am impressed.

[Des-Bal]

Yes it is, he's trolling. Don't fall for it.

No he's just from the wrong side of the mason dixon line. It's getting harder to tell though.

[Moogs World]

There is no comparison between acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Yes it is, he's trolling. Don't fall for it.

It wasn't the first in the thread so I thought something needed to be said.

[Raeyh]

completely unsuprised.

Pedophiles are todays homosexuals. just wait, Pedo pride parades are coming. 50 years from now, ill be called a bigot for being against pedophilia.

There is no comparison between acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

[Mars Test site 01]

Good. Child pornography is a terrible thing, and the people who produce such things should be thrown into jail for the rest of their lives. But viewing doesn't harm anyone. There is no victim. There's no reason for a guy to go to jail because he watched a video of something illegal. With that logic, World's Wildest Police Videos should be illegal too.

And before someone says that watching child porn does increases its demand.. Watching something FOR FREE does not increase the demand. The producer gets no financial gain. However, if a person pays money for child porn, then that's wrong.

are you saying that as free things get more popular a demand is not created for them? what about you tube? while a few channels do get paid, for the most part people who gain fame over youtube and make more videos because people watch them (aka producing things for an increasing demand) dont get paid. they make the videos because they know people will watch them. im not saying people who make child pornography dont do it for the sole purpose that there are people who watch it, but if more people watching and want to see it, there are plenty of people who will make more than they would have to fill the demand. thinking a demand will not be increased and met just because its free is just naive

[Des-Bal]

Not the point. He said that looking at CP wasn't harmful, it perpetuates the industry. So yes, it is harmful.

Honestly I think it's more harmful to create scarcity. To really stop child pornography the government should take every siezed image and upload it to a government run server that acts as the only legal source of child pornography. The market is saturated and the demand is gone producing and distributing loses it's appeal stupid problems have insane solutions.

[Souseiseki]

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

yeah, no.

[Raeyh]

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

yeah, no.

Sarcasm.

[Laerod]

There is no comparison between acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

Not sure what your point is. If I have an urge to go out shooting people I don't deserve the same kind of recognition homosexuals do either, because you simply cannot compare the two "urges". Pedophilia remains an inclination that is harmful to one party involved whereas homosexuality is not inherently so. I swear I posted a link to a very simple explanation in this very thread that should make the whole issue clear to anyone.

[Souseiseki]

Not the point. He said that looking at CP wasn't harmful, it perpetuates the industry. So yes, it is harmful.

Honestly I think it's more harmful to create scarcity. To really stop child pornography the government should take every siezed image and upload it to a government run server that acts as the only legal source of child pornography. The market is saturated and the demand is gone producing and distributing loses it's appeal stupid problems have insane solutions.

quotin'

[Samozaryadnyastan]

There is no comparison between acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

You don't control your attractions to anything, be it a child, a member of the same sex, or an animal. I believe that 10,000 Cats has said that his attraction to his feline partner was not by choice, it happened.

Obviously, there are a number of issues (understated) with an adult and a minor, and the perceived issue of 'informed consent'. But you can't control your attractions anymore than you can control your desire to use toilet facilities.

[Raeyh]

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

Not sure what your point is. If I have an urge to go out shooting people I don't deserve the same kind of recognition homosexuals do either, because you simply cannot compare the two "urges". Pedophilia remains an inclination that is harmful to one party involved whereas homosexuality is not inherently so. I swear I posted a link to a very simple explanation in this very thread that should make the whole issue clear to anyone.

The urge for violence is accepted by society, though. Look at all the violent media products we create. People who want to beat people up aren't considered sick freaks, just people with anger management problems.

[Greater Tezdrian]

completely unsuprised.

Pedophiles are todays homosexuals. just wait, Pedo pride parades are coming. 50 years from now, ill be called a bigot for being against pedophilia.

There is no valid comparison for acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Actually, homosexuality and bisexuality were listed as sexual deviations in early versions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, alongside pedophilia until it's removal was forced by LBGT lobbyists. Which isn't to say it isn't an unfair comparison, just that is isn't completely baseless.

[Laerod]

Not the point. He said that looking at CP wasn't harmful, it perpetuates the industry. So yes, it is harmful.

Honestly I think it's more harmful to create scarcity. To really stop child pornography the government should take every siezed image and upload it to a government run server that acts as the only legal source of child pornography. The market is saturated and the demand is gone producing and distributing loses it's appeal stupid problems have insane solutions.

This doesn't even make sense.

[Laerod]

Not sure what your point is. If I have an urge to go out shooting people I don't deserve the same kind of recognition homosexuals do either, because you simply cannot compare the two "urges". Pedophilia remains an inclination that is harmful to one party involved whereas homosexuality is not inherently so. I swear I posted a link to a very simple explanation in this very thread that should make the whole issue clear to anyone.

The urge for violence is accepted by society, though. Look at all the violent media products we create. People who want to beat people up aren't considered sick freaks, just people with anger management problems.

They're also considered felons unless they're doing it in riot gear while in employ of the police. Still don't see your point.

[Northwest Slobovia]

There is no comparison between acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

Well... I assume you can provide evidence that backs that claim.

[Moogs World]

There is no valid comparison for acts between consenting adults and acts between an adult and a child who are not capable of giving informed consent.

The comparison being made here is ignorant and insulting.

Actually, homosexuality and bisexuality were listed as sexual deviations in early versions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, alongside pedophilia until it's removal was forced by LBGT lobbyists. Which isn't to say it isn't an unfair comparison, just that is isn't completely baseless.

And in today's enlightened times they are not. Your point?

[Raeyh]

The urge for violence is accepted by society, though. Look at all the violent media products we create. People who want to beat people up aren't considered sick freaks, just people with anger management problems.

They're also considered felons unless they're doing it in riot gear while in employ of the police. Still don't see your point.

You actually have to commit a crime before you a considered a felon. Being a pedophile is simply having the desire to have sex with children.

[Des-Bal]

This doesn't even make sense.

Where did I lose you? The idea that child pornography is wrong because it requires the abuse of children, or the idea that people won't buy something when the guy next door is handing it out for free? Since the images already existed it's not requiring more abuse to take place. Saturate the market, destroy the demand, and bing bang boom there's no money in making child porn.

[Laerod]

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

:blink: Well... I assume you can provide evidence that backs that claim.

It's not a claim, as it's sarcastic.

[Raeyh]

Because pedophiles chose to be attracted to children while homosexuals had no choice in the matter.

Bigotry doesn't solve anything and just makes it harder for pedophiles to seek psychological assistance.

Well... I assume you can provide evidence that backs that claim.

I was using sarcasm, what I meant was the exact opposite of what I said.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well... I assume you can provide evidence that backs that claim.

I was using sarcasm, what I meant was the exact opposite of what I said.

Oh OK, my post is similarly redundant.