Viewing Child Pornography online Legal in New York.

[Farnhamia]

But it had pictures... How is it you still missed the point...

between you and me Aryan is slightly ..you know ..special

Careful! I make a snarky remark to someone yesterday, asking if he was special all of a sudden and he went ballistic on me, accused me of questioning his mental capacity.

[Laerod]

Still doesn't make me a liberal. So why are you calling me retarded?

why was he, i think you mean.

He didn't. You were the one that said anything remotely like that.

[Farnhamia]

You are misinformed (these are the ones two minutes on Wiki turned up):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_united_states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

As for former Governor Palin, what did you hear she had done?

probably disapprove of Abortion and have a pregnant daughter or something like that.

I guess.

[Aquophia]

Alright, i'll slightly revise my original point a little bit. This law is meant to protect people who may accidentally come across underage porn while web surfing. (which is highly possible) Let's say you run into one of these said images and you instantly realize what it is and close the window. You could still be arrested for it if the police were to get a hold of your computer and check your memory cache. Downloading and storing it on your computer however is enough probable cause to assume that you are a pedophile and are using those images to satisfy yourself with.

It may bring a loophole into the picture for actual pedophiles who are aware of the law, but plenty of websites crack down pretty hard on such material. The best thing to do is to increase penalties for people who create the websites in the first place regardless of if it's live action or loli.

[Laerod]

Alright, i'll slightly revise my original point a little bit. This law is meant to protect people who may accidentally come across underage porn while web surfing. (which is highly possible) Let's say you run into one of these said images and you instantly realize what it is and close the window. You could still be arrested for it if the police were to get a hold of your computer and check your memory cache. Downloading and storing it on your computer however is enough probable cause to assume that you are a pedophile and are using those images to satisfy yourself with.

It may bring a loophole into the picture for actual pedophiles who are aware of the law, but plenty of websites crack down pretty hard on such material. The best thing to do is to increase penalties for people who create the websites in the first place regardless of if it's live action or loli.

YOU'RE STILL WRONG! READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN ARTICLE!

[Aquophia]

Alright, i'll slightly revise my original point a little bit. This law is meant to protect people who may accidentally come across underage porn while web surfing. (which is highly possible) Let's say you run into one of these said images and you instantly realize what it is and close the window. You could still be arrested for it if the police were to get a hold of your computer and check your memory cache. Downloading and storing it on your computer however is enough probable cause to assume that you are a pedophile and are using those images to satisfy yourself with.

It may bring a loophole into the picture for actual pedophiles who are aware of the law, but plenty of websites crack down pretty hard on such material. The best thing to do is to increase penalties for people who create the websites in the first place regardless of if it's live action or loli.

YOU'RE STILL WRONG! READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN ARTICLE!

Im not wrong. Quit your yelling.

[Hungramy]

Funny, I think I read that it's legal to VIEW it, but illegal to POSSESS it. Wouldn't that simply contridict itself? I don't get it.

You're missing that this is the US Government, what the hell do you think they'll do?

[Des-Bal]

Alright, i'll slightly revise my original point a little bit. This law is meant to protect people who may accidentally come across underage porn while web surfing. (which is highly possible) Let's say you run into one of these said images and you instantly realize what it is and close the window. You could still be arrested for it if the police were to get a hold of your computer and check your memory cache. Downloading and storing it on your computer however is enough probable cause to assume that you are a pedophile and are using those images to satisfy yourself with.

It may bring a loophole into the picture for actual pedophiles who are aware of the law, but plenty of websites crack down pretty hard on such material. The best thing to do is to increase penalties for people who create the websites in the first place regardless of if it's live action or loli.

I don't really know about that, if the logic behind child pornography laws is that their harmful for children then I don't see the problem with loli. If the logic is that child pornography is morally wrong then I default to my "get out of my back yard" stance on the government telling people what to do.

[Laerod]

YOU'RE STILL WRONG! READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN ARTICLE!

Im not wrong. Quit your yelling.

Then please show me where this "law" is.

[Des-Bal]

YOU'RE STILL WRONG! READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN ARTICLE!

Replace law with precedent and it's completely accurate. You clearly knew what he meant there's no reason to fly off the handle.

[Laerod]

Funny, I think I read that it's legal to VIEW it, but illegal to POSSESS it. Wouldn't that simply contridict itself? I don't get it.

You're missing that this is the US Government, what the hell do you think they'll do?

New York.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

At least it means that if someone sends you a po­rnado, you aren't at risk of being charged for it.
Not to mention all other kinds of shock link.

Granted, it's a loophole, but what law doesn't have them? I've never personally heard of someone arrested for possession of child por­nography being charged without having masses of files physically stored on some device.

In fairness, for viewing indecent images of children to be a crime, the US (and other nations) would have to implement internet monitoring laws completely at odds with the constitution. Because every single internet connection would have to be monitored (which is not only unconstitutional [I guess], but an impossible task to boot).

The alternative would be to have the providers themselves inform the police of 'unsavoury internet activities', but that's probably just as unconstitutional, and still just as impossible.

[Laerod]

YOU'RE STILL WRONG! READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN ARTICLE!

Replace law with precedent and it's completely accurate. You clearly knew what he meant there's no reason to fly off the handle.

That's not what this is. He's claiming that the court created a precedent that viewing it should now be legal, when what the court did was recognize that there is no law making it illegal and told the legislature they're the ones that need to deal with this. The court didn't do shit besides point out that current NY laws on the issue suck.

[Farnhamia]

YOU'RE STILL WRONG! READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN ARTICLE!

Replace law with precedent and it's completely accurate. You clearly knew what he meant there's no reason to fly off the handle.

Which is what Aquophia should do, because the terms are not interchangeable.

[Meryuma]

regardless of if it's live action or loli.

That's incredibly unreasonable. A lot of people who like loli or shota aren't even interested in actual children.

[Tmutarakhan]

Buh-bye ...

Lol. I may be being a bit dramatic. But some issues have arisen in America lately that worry me.

I tried to emigrate when I was a teenager, and have regretted my lack of follow-through ever since, particularly on days like today. It gets much harder to do when you get older. I don't know, it's possible America will turn around (though not in time for me), but there are serious reasons to consider getting out while the getting is good.

[New England and The Maritimes]

america, they'll put forward a law banning looking at drawn pictures while "fixing" this.

[Condunum]

I'm not seeing the inherent issue with viewing child porn, really. Making it, sure, it's wrong, but viewing it is not harmful.

[Laobaen]

I don't see the issue.

>Viewing< Child pornography implies that it has already been made and distributed. By viewing it, you are not harming the child nor are you engaged in sexual activity with your child.

>Creating< or >Distributing< Child pornography is an entirely different matter. By doing so you are actively causing harm to a minor in addition to statutory or standard rape laws. By stopping the FBI from spending all their time going after the viewers they can instead get the distributors and creators and actually put the pedophiles that harm children behind bars.

[Laerod]

I'm not seeing the inherent issue with viewing child porn, really. Making it, sure, it's wrong, but viewing it is not harmful.

Creates demand, as has been pointed out. Yes, even with hits.

[Raeyh]

regardless of if it's live action or loli.

That's incredibly unreasonable. A lot of people who like loli or shota aren't even interested in actual children.

Not to mention infringing upon freedom of speech.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I'm not seeing the inherent issue with viewing child porn, really. Making it, sure, it's wrong, but viewing it is not harmful.

Well, it shows there's a market for it and encourages the abuse of children to continue. Sure, you're not doing anything, but you're advocating it.
Unless it's lolita, which is probably a separate issue entirely.

[Arkiasis]

This law doesn't make CP legal, it makes it so that if you're internet cache has CP on it, then it doesn't count as possession of CP. Which makes perfect sense since if you're on 4chan and someone posts CP on there, then that can legally mean you're in possession of CP since that image is automatically saved onto your cache. Hell right now, just by viewing this page you now 10 or so images saved into your cache.

[Souseiseki]

I'm not seeing the inherent issue with viewing child porn, really. Making it, sure, it's wrong, but viewing it is not harmful.

I don't know about you but if there pictures of me being raped I wouldn't want people jacking off to them.

[Des-Bal]

Well, it shows there's a market for it and encourages the abuse of children to continue. Sure, you're not doing anything, but you're advocating it.
Unless it's lolita, which is probably a separate issue entirely.

Right because when somethings illegal there's no market for it.