General isn't for RPers

[Kryozerkia]

1: Yes, you are going to type out Jaredcohenia. I do not want my name posted on the board, I feel like it is an invasion of my privacy. Doing so is against the rules of the board.

I'm sorry, but shortening a poster's name is quite common here, and it's not against the rules of the board. Also, if you were concerned about your privacy, you wouldn't have used your real name in any way shape or form, as a name here is assumed to be an alias. No reasonable person would have no way of knowing. That said, you can request that someone address you a certain way. Some people may not comply, and intervention only happens when it's obvious the nickname is designed to purposely inflame. In this case, as it is taken directly out of the alias you have chosen, without the letters being rearranged, nor could be be taken as a flame, I cannot see how it would inflame.

An exception would be for something like FreedomAndGlory, a former poster, who had their name shortened to FAG (FaG became acceptable). Because of this, there was direct intervention for obvious reasons, as FAG could be reasonably be seen as a flamebait/flame.

FYI, I'm fine with posters referring to me as Kryo.

[The Cat-Tribe]

This is a key example of why people dislike this board. Maybe you like it, but calling others "n00bs" and using rude tones isn't going to get you popularity points. I'm not an outsider, I'm someone who plays NationStates. I am fully entitled to post on General, and I have posted on General before you were even a registered account.

Sorry, but you trying to lecture Neesika on how to be popular is priceless comedy.

[Neesika]

Wait...so let me get this straight.

If we change things exactly the way Jared wants us to...

He'll post on General more.

My cost/benefit analysis comes up with a big 'no thanks'.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

You're more than welcome to come into II or NS and discuss their flaws, but that would be against the fact that II and NS are strictly roleplaying boards so that would have to be deleted.

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1: Yes, you are going to type out Jaredcohenia. I do not want my name posted on the board, I feel like it is an invasion of my privacy. Doing so is against the rules of the board.

Ok, first - saying those boards are 'strictly' roleplaying isn't entirely true. Out Of Character threads and relevant discussion of things dealing with those forums have always been allowed.

Damn but you're out to make all RP'ers look like total dicks, aren't you? Yeesh.

And on the second point there - a) If you don't want your 'real name' used, don't use your 'real name' in your nation name ffs. b) Unless I'm completely forgetting things, you already tried this sort of attack elsewhere and got smacked for it after outing someone else on the forums who's name was NOT in fact 'obvious' like yours is there for the shortening of anyone who tends to shorten nation names to nicks. As well ... a lot of people do. Constantly. With no modly consequences.

And yes, on more recent postings, of course you're 'free to post'. Just keep in mind that others are just as free to have their opinions, and post in turn. They don't have to like your posts any more than you have to like theirs, but tell you what - you start trying to toss weight around that you don't have and you'll soon find yourself rather unwelcome. And I guess I just don't see the point in posting somewhere that for one, you dislike and for another, dislikes you.

Sorry folks - can't understand why he's still blathering on like this, but meh. I guess he's pleased playing the part of punching bag.


GACK: Apologies, Kryozerkia - you posted whilst I was typing.

[Kryozerkia]

GACK: Apologies, Kryozerkia - you posted whilst I was typing.

There was no way of knowing. Besides, when one is in full rant mode, they don't notice when someone else beats them to the punch. But it's nice to see a another generally reasonable view of the situation.

[Muravyets]

Wait...so let me get this straight.

If we change things exactly the way Jared wants us to...

He'll post on General more.

My cost/benefit analysis comes up with a big 'no thanks'.

Quick! Someone start a conversation thread about favorite ways to cure zits while watching Cattlecar Gallactica if you're gay and just had an abortion!

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Sorry folks - can't understand why he's still blathering on like this, but meh. I guess he's pleased playing the part of punching bag.

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Maybe he's RPing.

[Leistung]

1: Yes, you are going to type out Jaredcohenia. I do not want my name posted on the board, I feel like it is an invasion of my privacy. Doing so is against the rules of the board.

I'm sorry, but shortening a poster's name is quite common here, and it's not against the rules of the board. Also, if you were concerned about your privacy, you wouldn't have used your real name in any way shape or form, as a name here is assumed to be an alias. No reasonable person would have no way of knowing. That said, you can request that someone address you a certain way. Some people may not comply, and intervention only happens when it's obvious the nickname is designed to purposely inflame. In this case, as it is taken directly out of the alias you have chosen, without the letters being rearranged, nor could be be taken as a flame, I cannot see how it would inflame.

This appears to be in contradiction to Ardchoille's ruling here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p ... ostcount=4

And yes, I just pulled precedent.

[Neesika]

This appears to be in contradiction to Ardchoille's ruling here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p ... ostcount=4

And yes, I just pulled precedent.

Not very well. Read it again.

It's so cute how you're sticking up for your fellow unknown.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I nearly died reading the Cattlecar bit there. Thank you so much for making me practically snort my salad from the giggling. Now go start that thread

Still though, you bring up a good point. RP mixed in with General? (Not including the rp as self bits that have gone before) IT WOULD BE CHAOS!

"But you just said you favored the eating of babies and clubbing of seals!"

"I was just -playing- a person who supported that."

"How can we tell?"

"Because when its me I ... hrm. Wait now, I've got this, really ..."

[Neo Kervoskia]

This appears to be in contradiction to Ardchoille's ruling here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p ... ostcount=4

And yes, I just pulled precedent.

Not very well. Read it again.

It's so cute how you're sticking up for your fellow unknown.

IIRC alot of them come from the nationstates draftroom IRC channel and routinely complain and plan.

[Leistung]

I'm "sticking up for him" because he's right...

And how are you reading it? He's asking you not to use that nickname and you're persisting to annoy him. That could be actionable, especially since Jared is his name, and as per the Prestonia ruling back during the NSG Poster's Award thing, no one is allowed to use one's first name in posting unless they've given consent.

For the record, I've never been to #d.

[Neesika]

IIRC alot of them come from the nationstates draftroom IRC channel and routinely complain and plan.

That's so incredibly...lame.

[Neo Kervoskia]

IIRC alot of them come from the nationstates draftroom IRC channel and routinely complain and plan.

That's so incredibly...lame.

That's how they attempted to fix the NSG awards thingy.

[Kryozerkia]

This appears to be in contradiction to Ardchoille's ruling here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p ... ostcount=4

And yes, I just pulled precedent.

That may be a 'precedent', but having checked the post to which that responds, I must say that there was an obvious condescending tone in the post; the point of which was to annoy. I do not believe that there is intent to annoy. Also, Jaredcohenia alleges a violation of privacy, which your little precedent doesn't cover. There is no violation of privacy. For a precedent to work, the facts do have to be similar; I see discrepancies. The precedent doesn't address privacy, it addresses intent to annoy using nicknames.

[Neesika]

I'm "sticking up for him" because he's right...

And how are you reading it? He's asking you not to use that nickname and you're persisting to annoy him. That could be actionable, especially since Jared is his name, and as per the Prestonia ruling back during the NSG Poster's Award thing, no one is allowed to use one's first name in posting unless they've given consent.

omg do you have Jared's permission to use his name?

Jared is the logical shortening of his long ass name. I'm not typing the entire thing out. 'J' is a little too vague. Calling him something else would no doub cause him to completely lose his shit. Someone who doesn't want people ever using his first name should not insert said first (and possibly last) name into his nation name. I'm sorry, but I have a seven year old who is more internet savy than that.

Kryo (OMG! OMGOMGOMGOMG!) already ruled on this, and Ard's (OMG! OMGOMGOMG!) previous post doesn't contradict it.

Btw, this is not a commonlaw jurisdiction.

[Neesika]

That's how they attempted to fix the NSG awards thingy.

I totally missed that whole thing...I must have been writing finals when that happened? Biz-R.

[Neo Kervoskia]

That's how they attempted to fix the NSG awards thingy.

I totally missed that whole thing...I must have been writing finals when that happened? Biz-R.

Didn't miss much.

[Leistung]

This appears to be in contradiction to Ardchoille's ruling here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p ... ostcount=4

And yes, I just pulled precedent.

That may be a 'precedent', but having checked the post to which that responds, I must say that there was an obvious condescending tone in the post; the point of which was to annoy. I do not believe that there is intent to annoy. Also, Jaredcohenia alleges a violation of privacy, which your little precedent doesn't cover. There is no violation of privacy. For a precedent to work, the facts do have to be similar; I see discrepancies.

Considering the circumstances, I would argue that there is a clear intent to annoy -- especially since he had been called a dweeb, outsider, etc. by several people in this thread, Neesika included. On a side note, is it all that difficult to press ctl+v if you don't want to type out the name?

Prestonia's name is in his nation's title as well, yet when it was used, several people were banned (more precedent, which I previously stated). I don't see how this is different at all.

[Neesika]

Is this what your 'new improved' General would look like? Constant whining and bitching? Oh oh, yes please, sounds lovely!

[Leistung]

Whining and bitching? Hardly. My point is simple, and has been made extremely clearly with as little filler as possible: moderators should abide by decisions already made. Otherwise, we open up a massive can of worms with mods siding with one side or the other simply because it catches their fancy. The rules cannot be bent to the whims of the enforcers.

[Kryozerkia]

Whining and bitching? Hardly. My point is simple, and has been made extremely clearly with as little filler as possible: moderators should abide by decisions already made. Otherwise, we open up a massive can of worms with mods siding with one side or the other simply because it catches their fancy. The rule cannot be bent to the whims of the enforcers.

I'll tell you what I've told others before you: it's called 'discretion', look it up.

[Tanaara]

You're more than welcome to come into II or NS and discuss their flaws, but that would be against the fact that II and NS are strictly roleplaying boards so that would have to be deleted.

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Ok, first - saying those boards are 'strictly' roleplaying isn't entirely true. Out Of Character threads and relevant discussion of things dealing with those forums have always been allowed.

Damn but you're out to make all RP'ers look like total dicks, aren't you? Yeesh.

And on the second point there - a) If you don't want your 'real name' used, don't use your 'real name' in your nation name ffs. b) Unless I'm completely forgetting things, you already tried this sort of attack elsewhere and got smacked for it after outing someone else on the forums who's name was NOT in fact 'obvious' like yours is there for the shortening of anyone who tends to shorten nation names to nicks. As well ... a lot of people do. Constantly. With no modly consequences.

And yes, on more recent postings, of course you're 'free to post'. Just keep in mind that others are just as free to have their opinions, and post in turn. They don't have to like your posts any more than you have to like theirs, but tell you what - you start trying to toss weight around that you don't have and you'll soon find yourself rather unwelcome. And I guess I just don't see the point in posting somewhere that for one, you dislike and for another, dislikes you.

Sorry folks - can't understand why he's still blathering on like this, but meh. I guess he's pleased playing the part of punching bag. ;)

I agree with Nathi about him apparently wanting to make all RPers looks like asses. Sheesh we're not wholley -though just as in General so to in the RP forums, there Are asses.

The reason I thought him a Generalite was because I am an RPer and can only remember seeing him in one thread - not saying he wasn't in more, but to me he's not an established RPer. And From my lurking in Jolt General I seem to remember him more there, but like I said *Shrug* Wasn't trying to dump him on you all.

I feel - where it is his real name or not - that he has used Jaredcohenia as a nation name and that takes it out of the realm of privacy. And makes using Jared acceptable, if unkind -if he has openly protested. But that's just my two cents.

Let the mods deal with this. When a court issues an ambiguous paper, it doesn no one any good to pick at one another over it - let the court clarify.

LOl Kyro, we cross posted I think[/edit]

[Leistung]

Discretion, fine. Having one mod pass a completely different ruling in the same situation? Definitely not.

[Jaredcohenia]

This appears to be in contradiction to Ardchoille's ruling here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p ... ostcount=4

And yes, I just pulled precedent.

That may be a 'precedent', but having checked the post to which that responds, I must say that there was an obvious condescending tone in the post; the point of which was to annoy. I do not believe that there is intent to annoy. Also, Jaredcohenia alleges a violation of privacy, which your little precedent doesn't cover. There is no violation of privacy. For a precedent to work, the facts do have to be similar; I see discrepancies. The precedent doesn't address privacy, it addresses intent to annoy using nicknames.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=589912

Precedent.

And if precedent isn't needed, then I would call it trolling.

[Neesika]

Whining and bitching? Hardly. My point is simple, and has been made extremely clearly with as little filler as possible: moderators should abide by decisions already made. Otherwise, we open up a massive can of worms with mods siding with one side or the other simply because it catches their fancy. The rules cannot be bent to the whims of the enforcers.

Lemmetellyouwat. I'll start up a new nation called 'Jerk'. And everytime you call me 'Jerk', I'm going to cry about it in Moderation.

Also, if you two are going to keep whining, take it to Moderation.