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The American "Energy Voter"

Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed May 09, 2012 7:12 am

Disclaimer: I am a Canadian (and proud, damn it).

Anyhow, I watch CNN time-to-time and I have been seeing a lot of ads with "average folks" (meaning actors), talking about how important it is to have domestic energy production of natural gas, oil and coal stepped up, to help the US economy, save jobs, blah blah blah. They claim that this coming round of elections is important (which it is), and that energy security is a very important thing to consider when voting - they call themselves in the ad, "energy voters"; e.g. "I'm so and so, and I'm an energy voter!"

Obviously, these ads are created by the energy producers of America who want to ingrain into people's minds that energy production should be an election issue, and that it should be at the forefront of people's minds when casting their votes, ideally in favour of pro-domestic energy candidates (I read that to mean Republicans, primarily).

So, my question is simple:

Do such voters exist really? Or are they primarily a sham, imaginary "bloc" of people made by big oil and gas et al. to try and convince people to not even bother thinking about the negative environmental impact that increased domestic production would likely have?

I for one laugh when I see these ads. I'd think less than 5% of the US voting public have domestic energy production at the forefront of their minds when voting, and that the so-called "energy voter" class of voters is next to non-existant, save for those in constituencies who have large portions of the population who say work in coal mining, or oil (and they tend to vote Republican all the time anyway). Who is big oil et al. trying to fool?

These ads are pretty pathetic, IMO, and to think that even some American voters would be swayed by such ads is frankly a bit disconcerting - but mind you, most things in US politics are pretty disconcerting already. :lol:
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Postby Khadgar » Wed May 09, 2012 7:17 am

Astroturfing.

I have seen some Friends of Coal bumper stickers, but I think that's just because this is a coal town. I doubt they're connected.

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed May 09, 2012 7:32 am

Khadgar wrote:Astroturfing.

I have seen some Friends of Coal bumper stickers, but I think that's just because this is a coal town. I doubt they're connected.


There may be a loose connection, but your definition of "astroturfing" fits the bill perfectly in this case.
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Postby Angleter » Wed May 09, 2012 7:41 am

I suppose there's quite a lot of voters motivated by fuel prices and energy bills, and everyone from Miliband to Gingrich has played that card. But then, that's not exactly what these ads are saying.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed May 09, 2012 7:50 am

Angleter wrote:I suppose there's quite a lot of voters motivated by fuel prices and energy bills, and everyone from Miliband to Gingrich has played that card. But then, that's not exactly what these ads are saying.


Yes, many are, but those who actually believe that a Presidential/PM candidate can lower fuel prices substantially are naive at BEST. I remember seeing Gingrich doing speeches with a "$2.50 a gallon" sign in front of his podiums, and I believe Bachmann was preaching the same bullshit - and all you see in the crowds are people applauding and cheering when they made those ludicrous promises. Politics is so damn depressing at times...well, all the time.
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Postby Solar » Wed May 09, 2012 9:54 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Angleter wrote:I suppose there's quite a lot of voters motivated by fuel prices and energy bills, and everyone from Miliband to Gingrich has played that card. But then, that's not exactly what these ads are saying.


Yes, many are, but those who actually believe that a Presidential/PM candidate can lower fuel prices substantially are naive at BEST. I remember seeing Gingrich doing speeches with a "$2.50 a gallon" sign in front of his podiums, and I believe Bachmann was preaching the same bullshit - and all you see in the crowds are people applauding and cheering when they made those ludicrous promises. Politics is so damn depressing at times...well, all the time.


While those specific promises are BS, the fact remains that we grossly underutilize our energy resources to the detriment of our economy. Being Canadian you probably realize that energy is one of the most vital sectors of your economy, employs a large number of Canadians, and largely insulated Canada from the recession.
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And the way it breaks down is in the US we desperately need jobs and revenue. Oil and gas provide both.
Nebraska has an unemployment rate of 4% (a very good number) compared to the nationwide number of 8.2% (an unacceptably terrible number). And the primary reason is the big energy companies like Exxon.
Big oil and gas are honestly the only people who can save us from a European like crisis at this point. So embracing them is not a bad idea.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed May 09, 2012 9:57 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Do such voters exist really? Or are they primarily a sham, imaginary "bloc" of people made by big oil and gas et al. to try and convince people to not even bother thinking about the negative environmental impact that increased domestic production would likely have?

over here the government is constantly screaming about renewable energy and the GREEN REINDUSTRIALIZATION but you're in america so yeah it'll probably be basically pumping gases directly into the lungs of young children who are probably ethnic minorities
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Wed May 09, 2012 10:12 am

Whose side are they on? I suspect it's pro-republican, maybe Obama needs to mention that under him domestic drilling has only increased.

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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Wed May 09, 2012 10:15 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Disclaimer: I am a Canadian (and proud, damn it).

:hug:

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Do such voters exist really?

Yes, just like there are people who vote based on what party cares more about animal welfare. The difference being that the production and refinement of energy resources, such as oil and gas, is important for a broader issue: The environment. That is a major political issue no matter where you are these days. That said, giving them a cutesy nickname and trying to make ads that downplay the destructive aspects of fossil fuels is sleazy as fuck.

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Souseiseki wrote:but you're in america

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Disclaimer: I am a Canadian (and proud, damn it).

Reading Comprehension Level: Elementary
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed May 09, 2012 10:25 am

the only voters of that type who exist are those who are motivated by the price of gasoline.
whatever

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed May 09, 2012 11:14 am

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Disclaimer: I am a Canadian (and proud, damn it).

:hug:

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Do such voters exist really?

Yes, just like there are people who vote based on what party cares more about animal welfare. The difference being that the production and refinement of energy resources, such as oil and gas, is important for a broader issue: The environment. That is a major political issue no matter where you are these days. That said, giving them a cutesy nickname and trying to make ads that downplay the destructive aspects of fossil fuels is sleazy as fuck.

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Souseiseki wrote:but you're in america

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:Disclaimer: I am a Canadian (and proud, damn it).

Reading Comprehension Level: Elementary

The topic is named The American "Energy Voter" and refers to CNN and the U.S. voting public. If you're seriously incapable of understanding the various contexts in which the word "you're" can be used, feel free to jumble about the words in your head so that my post means the exact same thing and has the exact same point while questioning why you felt the need to make your EDIT. :hug:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 09, 2012 11:16 am

It's a fake grass roots organization for advertizing by the coal industry. They are running a serious of stuff around that, clean coal, and job creation.

Even the oil industry is trying to convince people our prices will drop if we allow them to drill where ever they want in the US......
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Wed May 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote: :hug:


Yes, just like there are people who vote based on what party cares more about animal welfare. The difference being that the production and refinement of energy resources, such as oil and gas, is important for a broader issue: The environment. That is a major political issue no matter where you are these days. That said, giving them a cutesy nickname and trying to make ads that downplay the destructive aspects of fossil fuels is sleazy as fuck.

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Reading Comprehension Level: Elementary

The topic is named The American "Energy Voter" and refers to CNN and the U.S. voting public. If you're seriously incapable of understanding the various contexts in which the word "you're" can be used, feel free to jumble about the words in your head so that my post means the exact same thing and has the exact same point while questioning why you felt the need to make your EDIT. :hug:

I made the edit because I enjoy pointing out others' mistakes. Boosts my ego.

Which you did make, because he said right at the top he's Canadian. We get CNN up here, and it's in our best interest to at least know what sort of political and social climate there is south of the border. Assuming he's American and lives in America just because he's watching CNN and commenting on American ads is like assuming someone is Russian just because they watch Russia Today.
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New Manvir wrote:Canada: We have flying bears.


greed and death wrote:It is a sad day when we criticize the President for honoring a solider who gave everything for his nation.


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Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:... He's twenty.

He's also a moron.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed May 09, 2012 2:21 pm

Angleter wrote:I suppose there's quite a lot of voters motivated by fuel prices and energy bills.

Not out of the context of general economic well-being.


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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed May 09, 2012 2:29 pm

Well, I certainly feel that it should be an issue that receives more attention, but as is, no one gives two shits about energy.
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