North Carolina Bans Same-Sex Marriage and Civil Unions

[Nidaria]

I support this legislation one hundred percent. If every nation and region enacted this, we would be one step closer to world peace and harmony. I do pray that North Carolina stands firm against the liberal tide.

So you're not a Christian, and you hate America and the principles upon which it was founded.

Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

On the contrary, I am an Evangelical Roman Catholic (as opposed to a casual, cultural, or cafeteria Catholic) and support America and its principles (I do not wish it to fall into ruin).

[United Dependencies]

But you probably took APUSH.

Yes, that was Herr Schafer's catchphrase whenever the Amerindians came up.

[Northern Dominus]

Now we sit and wait for the protests.

Screw that, it's riot time. Break windows, turn over cars with amendment one bumper stickers and set them on fire, burn Billy Graham books in the middle of the street, and that's just the start.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

So you're not a Christian, and you hate America and the principles upon which it was founded.

Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

On the contrary, I am an Evangelical Roman Catholic (as opposed to a casual, cultural, or cafeteria Catholic)

Which is not Christian.

and support America and its principles (I do not wish it to fall into ruin).

Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

[Hammurab]

I know, blue on blue and feathers are just SO unfashonable now. And green or tan camo? Ick.

What we need are bold bright patterns!

I need to call my gay stylist friend Martin, he'll know how to whip up a fab uniform for all!

Sitting sidesaddle in a Shelby blue uniform and a feather based on something somebody saw in a Gaga video, we still won't look more ridiculous than the people who think gays are evil.

[Archliva]

So you're not a Christian, and you hate America and the principles upon which it was founded.

Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

On the contrary, I am an Evangelical Roman Catholic (as opposed to a casual, cultural, or cafeteria Catholic) and support America and its principles (I do not wish it to fall into ruin).

That's nice, but we let the constitution do the talking in America not the Bible.

[Northern Dominus]

I know, blue on blue and feathers are just SO unfashonable now. And green or tan camo? Ick.

What we need are bold bright patterns!

I need to call my gay stylist friend Martin, he'll know how to whip up a fab uniform for all!

Sitting sidesaddle in a Shelby blue uniform and a feather based on something somebody saw in a Gaga video, we still won't look more ridiculous than the people who think gays are evil.

...I thought were going to ride big hairy sweaty men in BSDM gear when we ride into battle?

[Nidaria]

On the contrary, I am an Evangelical Roman Catholic (as opposed to a casual, cultural, or cafeteria Catholic)

Which is not Christian.

and support America and its principles (I do not wish it to fall into ruin).

Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us. And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

[The Jahistic Unified Republic]

If the People of North Carolina don't like it, they can call for a referendum. No need for Government intervention.

This already was "Government intervention." The NC government put the measure on the ballot. I don't see why, since they had already passed a law saying that marriage was only between one man and one woman.

I mean Federal government intervention, my bad.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Which is not Christian.


Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us.

Not gonna get into that one right now, except to say that the Eastern Orthodox might strongly disagree with you, and the various non-Trinitarian sects were never "part of you" in the first place.

And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

It's not a just law. It's a reactionary, anti-American, anti-freedom law.

[Northern Dominus]

Which is not Christian.


Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us. And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

Fine, we'll go with it. Only if you also agree that to counter-balance Amendment one North Carolina adopts another amendment stating that all Roman Catholics are hereby barred from voting in any election.

Fair enough?

[Farnhamia]

Which is not Christian.


Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us. And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

It isn't just if the law singles out a specific group of people and tells them that they cannot do something that other people can do, especially when that something involves a certain favored status from the state.

[Nidaria]

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us. And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

Fine, we'll go with it. Only if you also agree that to counter-balance Amendment one North Carolina adopts another amendment stating that all Roman Catholics are hereby barred from voting in any election.

Fair enough?

I disagree. The first amendment of the Constitution grants religious freedom, not sexual freedom.

[Tahar Joblis]

Question to the North Carolinians here:

Did this amendment kill all child custody arrangements between unmarried couples? For that matter, since divorcees are no longer bound by marriage, did it kill all post-marital custody arrangements as well?

My understanding is that there's some fear that in nuking all gay relationships, N.C. effectively eliminated all non-marital straight ones as well: Custody, child support, paternity, and maybe even alimony in the bargain.

It remains to be seen how that will play out in the courts.

I think realistically, the amendment will be construed narrowly in NC courts, in which case the only thing it really changes is that it becomes harder to change NC law to provide recognition for civil unions or gay marriage, and it "proofs" the [already existing, folks, just like in most of the country] laws barring gay marriage from challenges based on the state constitution.

For those of you engaged in hyperbole, I'd like to remind you that this makes North Carolina the 30-somethingth state to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and that this is the status quo in most of the country. The fact that North Carolina has passed this amendment is disappointing, but nothing special; and as I pointed out, it happens to have done so largely on the strength of ignorance of the fact that the amendment bans civil unions from being recognized, combined with the narrower pool of voters participating in the primary [vs general] election.

So cool your jets. North Carolina is not behaving particularly different from the rest of the country.

Gay marriage is illegal in over 40 states - including California, where I currently live. Proposition 8 may have been overturned, but any actual change on the ground is waiting for an en banc review of the 9th circuit case, followed [likely] by subsequent appeal to the Supreme Court.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Fine, we'll go with it. Only if you also agree that to counter-balance Amendment one North Carolina adopts another amendment stating that all Roman Catholics are hereby barred from voting in any election.

Fair enough?

I disagree. The first amendment of the Constitution grants religious freedom, not sexual freedom.

Which means those who aren't part of your religion aren't bound by your religion's rules, and your religion doesn't get to make rules that everyone else has to abide by.

[Desperate Measures]

Which is not Christian.


Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us. And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

Equal rights, pardner.

[Northern Dominus]

Fine, we'll go with it. Only if you also agree that to counter-balance Amendment one North Carolina adopts another amendment stating that all Roman Catholics are hereby barred from voting in any election.

Fair enough?

I disagree. The first amendment of the Constitution grants religious freedom, not sexual freedom.

And show me the amendment where marriage is explicitly defined exactly.

[Hammurab]

But if we all sit down here and do nothing all together, they might think we're the protest.

Especially if any of us are in Greensboro.

Heeheheheehe....

Stop making me giggle. A happy demeanor was once described as "being gay", so my youth pastor says we shouldn't laugh anymore or Jesus will think we're butt plumbers.

[Astrolinium]

Fine, we'll go with it. Only if you also agree that to counter-balance Amendment one North Carolina adopts another amendment stating that all Roman Catholics are hereby barred from voting in any election.

Fair enough?

I disagree. The first amendment of the Constitution grants religious freedom, not sexual freedom.

And the fourteenth grants equal protection.

Especially if any of us are in Greensboro.

Heeheheheehe....

Stop making me giggle. A happy demeanor was once described as "being gay", so my youth pastor says we shouldn't laugh anymore or Jesus will think we're butt plumbers.

Well, he was a carpenter, so it can't be that bad.

[Northern Dominus]

Especially if any of us are in Greensboro.

Heeheheheehe....

Stop making me giggle. A happy demeanor was once described as "being gay", so my youth pastor says we shouldn't laugh anymore or Jesus will think we're butt plumbers.

Considering Jesus hung around with a pack of men the entire time, this is doubly hilarious.

[Hallistar]

So you're not a Christian, and you hate America and the principles upon which it was founded.

Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

On the contrary, I am an Evangelical Roman Catholic (as opposed to a casual, cultural, or cafeteria Catholic) and support America and its principles (I do not wish it to fall into ruin).

World peace and harmony? Funny how you allow your 'beliefs' to enable you supporting the denial of other human beings' freedoms.

How is America going to fall into ruin again? Is it because of those evil liberals that want to make the world a better place?

Or is it because God/Jesus is going to have us tortured for all eternity for daring to be human?

[Hammurab]

Question to the North Carolinians here:

Did this amendment kill all child custody arrangements between unmarried couples? For that matter, since divorcees are no longer bound by marriage, did it kill all post-marital custody arrangements as well?

My understanding is that there's some fear that in nuking all gay relationships, N.C. effectively eliminated all non-marital straight ones as well: Custody, child support, paternity, and maybe even alimony in the bargain.

It remains to be seen how that will play out in the courts.

I think realistically, the amendment will be construed narrowly in NC courts, in which case the only thing it really changes is that it becomes harder to change NC law to provide recognition for civil unions or gay marriage, and it "proofs" the [already existing, folks, just like in most of the country] laws barring gay marriage from challenges based on the state constitution.

For those of you engaged in hyperbole, I'd like to remind you that this makes North Carolina the 30-somethingth state to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and that this is the status quo in most of the country. The fact that North Carolina has passed this amendment is disappointing, but nothing special; and as I pointed out, it happens to have done so largely on the strength of ignorance of the fact that the amendment bans civil unions from being recognized, combined with the narrower pool of voters participating in the primary [vs general] election.

So cool your jets. North Carolina is not behaving particularly different from the rest of the country.

Gay marriage is illegal in over 40 states - including California, where I currently live. Proposition 8 may have been overturned, but any actual change on the ground is waiting for an en banc review of the 9th circuit case, followed [likely] by subsequent appeal to the Supreme Court.

Yeah, but see, the other states all did it sheepishly, like they didn't really mean it. Like a junior varsity kid might use the word "faggot" in front of his Dad a few minutes after his Dad uses it.

But North Carolina, they were all Southern and blatant about it, driving in circles around the capital building, shouting "No'mo Homo!" and "John Waters is a sub-par film maker surviving on the adulation of a loyal band of other jizz monkeys!"

So, screw them.

[Nidaria]

On the contrary, I am an Evangelical Roman Catholic (as opposed to a casual, cultural, or cafeteria Catholic) and support America and its principles (I do not wish it to fall into ruin).

World peace and harmony? Funny how you allow your 'beliefs' to enable you supporting the denial of other human beings' freedoms.

How is America going to fall into ruin again? Is it because of those evil liberals that want to make the world a better place?

I see what you mean. I should no longer forbid robbing stores and killing other people because it goes against the Ten Commandments.

They probably think they are doing good. However, the West has gone into a noticeably decline since it enacted more liberal legislation in the twentieth century. I do not think this is a coincidence.

[Archliva]

World peace and harmony? Funny how you allow your 'beliefs' to enable you supporting the denial of other human beings' freedoms.

How is America going to fall into ruin again? Is it because of those evil liberals that want to make the world a better place?

I see what you mean. I should no longer forbid robbing stores and killing other people because it goes against the Ten Commandments.

They probably think they are doing good. However, the West has gone into a noticeably decline since it enacted more liberal legislation in the twentieth century. I do not think this is a coincidence.

Neat, correlation equals causation fallacy

[Hallistar]

Which is not Christian.


Your comments regarding the recent unpleasantness in North Carolina clearly demonstrate otherwise.

We are the original Christianity. All other denominations separated from us. And how is firmly supporting a just law unpleasant and contrary to American principles?

How is it a just law?

Marriage is the secular and legal combination of economic and legal assets and a formal declaration of partnership intimately. Its only religion that goes out of its way to make it all holy. Its why the church can hold special ceremonies all it wants, but its the state that makes it legally binding. For the record, marriage existed before christianity.

Sunnis are the original Islam, how does that prove anything?