North Carolina Bans Same-Sex Marriage and Civil Unions

[Divair]

Shame this had to be. Probably 80+% of my class supports gay marriage, so the next generation should set this right, though it may decades for the trend to spread to the southern states.

This happens every time.

Women's rights? The new generation loves them.
African-American's rights? The new generation loves them.
LGBT rights? The new generation loves them.

Next up: Marijuana legalization. I hope.

[Zaras]

Here is how it went down, North Carolina does not want same sex marriages, its not that hard to figure out. If you want same sex marriages move to a different state. The people voted and that's what happened, the way democracy is supposed to work for once.

Sometimes what the majority wants isn't best. If the majority wanted slavery, would you allow that? No.
If the majority wanted to ban the Constitution, would you allow it? No.

The majority is not always right. I find it unlikely that reasonable people outnumber the idiots of the world.

These sort of discriminatory amendments are exactly the best argument that, for all the good of democracy, it needs some hard limits. Like, for example, not letting people vote to deny other people civil rights.

If North Carolina doesn't want same-sex marriages, North Carolina is simply wrong, and nothing will change that fact.

[Des-Bal]

These sort of discriminatory amendments are exactly the best argument that, for all the good of democracy, it needs some hard limits. Like, for example, not letting people vote to deny other people civil rights.

If North Carolina doesn't want same-sex marriages, North Carolina is simply wrong, and nothing will change that fact.

The problem is the majority of people do support same sex marriage, they just don't live in North Carolina.

[Ifreann]

These sort of discriminatory amendments are exactly the best argument that, for all the good of democracy, it needs some hard limits. Like, for example, not letting people vote to deny other people civil rights.

If North Carolina doesn't want same-sex marriages, North Carolina is simply wrong, and nothing will change that fact.

The problem is the majority of people do support same sex marriage, they just don't live in North Carolina.

Everyone knows that democracy only counts when it's at the state level.

[Des-Bal]

Everyone knows that democracy only counts when it's at the state level.

It only counts at the state level even if it's at the federal level (2000 presidential election).

[Grenartia]

If they're going to strip away the civil rights of a minorty then they get no peace in my book.

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

Bernice King calling for a constitutional ban on same-sex marraige doesn't really help either, plus sullies the work of her father.

Indeed, though her mother and older sister have the right idea.

[Wikkiwallana]

If they're going to strip away the civil rights of a minorty then they get no peace in my book.

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

Messy public mass make-out sessions. Juuuuuuuuust under the line of public indecency.


All I ask is that I get advance notification so I can wear heavy rain gear because I am germaphobic.

[Northern Dominus]

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

Messy public mass make-out sessions. Juuuuuuuuust under the line of public indecency.


All I ask is that I get advance notification so I can wear heavy rain gear because I am germaphobic.

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.
Example: Westboro Baptist Church pickets soldiers funeral with their usual diatribe. People respond by loudly picketing local church that hosted them during their stay during all sunday services.

Additionally, I would think that flooding the local justice of the peace with marraige lisences for same sex couples would be a great tactic. Bog them down, make it impossible to conduct business as usual.

So there ya go, picket and shout at sunday worshipers where the clergy supported Amendment One and clog up the system.

Should get the point across.

[Des-Bal]

If they're going to strip away the civil rights of a minorty then they get no peace in my book.

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

Bernice King calling for a constitutional ban on same-sex marraige doesn't really help either, plus sullies the work of her father.

Indeed, though her mother and older sister have the right idea.

Civil disobedience works by using your opponents momentum against you. People demanded change when they saw dogs and hoses being turned loose on Martin Luther King and they saw the English for what they were when Gandhi was attacked with batons. That's not happening here. Sure people could preform illegal gay marriages ( I am a minister and will totally help with that not in protest but because I have horrible debts) but there wouldn't be dogs, batons, or hoses the state just wouldn't recognize them as legal.

[Wikkiwallana]

Messy public mass make-out sessions. Juuuuuuuuust under the line of public indecency.


All I ask is that I get advance notification so I can wear heavy rain gear because I am germaphobic.

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.
Example: Westboro Baptist Church pickets soldiers funeral with their usual diatribe. People respond by loudly picketing local church that hosted them during their stay during all sunday services.

Additionally, I would think that flooding the local justice of the peace with marraige lisences for same sex couples would be a great tactic. Bog them down, make it impossible to conduct business as usual.

So there ya go, picket and shout at sunday worshipers where the clergy supported Amendment One and clog up the system.

Should get the point across.

I like it, except the WBC thing. They are massive legal trolls, who know what they are doing. Almost all the adults are lawyers, and they have gotten very good at winning harassment cases for shitloads of money. Attack them directly like that, and they win, if not in the court of public opinion, then in actual courts where they suck several thousand dollars or more out of the real victims' pockets. "Feeding the trolls" in their case could only be more literal if you catered their lunches while they wore halloween costumes. Different tactics will be needed.

[Northern Dominus]

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.
Example: Westboro Baptist Church pickets soldiers funeral with their usual diatribe. People respond by loudly picketing local church that hosted them during their stay during all sunday services.

Additionally, I would think that flooding the local justice of the peace with marraige lisences for same sex couples would be a great tactic. Bog them down, make it impossible to conduct business as usual.

So there ya go, picket and shout at sunday worshipers where the clergy supported Amendment One and clog up the system.

Should get the point across.

I like it, except the WBC thing. They are massive legal trolls, who know what they are doing. Almost all the adults are lawyers, and they have gotten very good at winning harassment cases for shitloads of money. Attack them directly like that, and they win, if not in the court of public opinion, then in actual courts where they suck several thousand dollars or more out of the real victims' pockets. "Feeding the trolls" in their case could only be more literal if you catered their lunches while they wore halloween costumes. Different tactics will be needed.

Well the WBC was an example (been done before), but the basic tennant is the same. Disrupt the peace, go to the center of the hate and let the bigots see and hear the full measure of what they've stirred.

[Luka]

Messy public mass make-out sessions. Juuuuuuuuust under the line of public indecency.


All I ask is that I get advance notification so I can wear heavy rain gear because I am germaphobic.

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.
Example: Westboro Baptist Church pickets soldiers funeral with their usual diatribe. People respond by loudly picketing local church that hosted them during their stay during all sunday services.

Additionally, I would think that flooding the local justice of the peace with marraige lisences for same sex couples would be a great tactic. Bog them down, make it impossible to conduct business as usual.

So there ya go, picket and shout at sunday worshipers where the clergy supported Amendment One and clog up the system.

Should get the point across.

I agree completely with the idea of jamming the systems. Anyone with a brain knows that without well functioning systems in place anywhere problems will occur. I hail from the lovely (sarcasm) state of Tennessee where the backwood ignorant bible thumpers also want same sex marriage banned. I however am very disgusted by the nation as a whole because this is a none issue of civil liberties. LBGT need to be extended the same rules and freedoms that "straight" americans are. I only give it a few more years though until the world opens its eyes and allows national marriage equality.

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[East Armandia]

I live in Durham, NC, and something around 75% supported same-sex marriage, and I'm glad to be part of that 75%. More importantly, every county with a major university seemed to vote against Amendment 1.

There's one big bugaboo, however, which no one wants to recognize. While something around 80% of all Democrats voted against, the Democratic African-American churchgoing population (a group that pushed for the Amendment in the first place) voted something around 87%. So much for equal rights, as long as your own group gets them.

[Unidox]

If they're going to strip away the civil rights of a minorty then they get no peace in my book.

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

I don't think they would allow public orgies... kidding...

Bernice King calling for a constitutional ban on same-sex marraige doesn't really help either, plus sullies the work of her father.

Indeed, though her mother and older sister have the right idea.

Was fairly sure Bernice was the niece of the late MLK Jr.

[Northern Dominus]

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

I don't think they would allow public orgies... kidding...

Indeed, though her mother and older sister have the right idea.

Was fairly sure Bernice was the niece of the late MLK Jr.

Nope, she's his youngest daughter. Which is a shame because you would think the daughter of Martin Luther King Jr. would be fully aware of fundamental civil rights for everybody would mean rather than taking up arms with the same kind of bigotry her father dedicated his life to opposing.

[Artanili Datium]

I don't think they would allow public orgies... kidding...


Was fairly sure Bernice was the niece of the late MLK Jr.

Nope, she's his youngest daughter. Which is a shame because you would think the daughter of Martin Luther King Jr. would be fully aware of fundamental civil rights for everybody would mean rather than taking up arms with the same kind of bigotry her father dedicated his life to opposing.

I honestly hate hypocrites like her.

[Grenartia]

Indeed, though her mother and older sister have the right idea.

Was fairly sure Bernice was the niece of the late MLK Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernice_King

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.
Example: Westboro Baptist Church pickets soldiers funeral with their usual diatribe. People respond by loudly picketing local church that hosted them during their stay during all sunday services.

Additionally, I would think that flooding the local justice of the peace with marraige lisences for same sex couples would be a great tactic. Bog them down, make it impossible to conduct business as usual.

So there ya go, picket and shout at sunday worshipers where the clergy supported Amendment One and clog up the system.

Should get the point across.

I agree completely with the idea of jamming the systems. Anyone with a brain knows that without well functioning systems in place anywhere problems will occur. I hail from the lovely (sarcasm) state of Tennessee where the backwood ignorant bible thumpers also want same sex marriage banned. I however am very disgusted by the nation as a whole because this is a none issue of civil liberties. LBGT need to be extended the same rules and freedoms that "straight" americans are. I only give it a few more years though until the world opens its eyes and allows national marriage equality.

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Hello fellow Tennessean. Since you are new, I'll just say that promoting one's blog in your posts isn't looked too highly upon. You can put a link in your sig, though.

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.



Indeed, though her mother and older sister have the right idea.

Civil disobedience works by using your opponents momentum against you. People demanded change when they saw dogs and hoses being turned loose on Martin Luther King and they saw the English for what they were when Gandhi was attacked with batons. That's not happening here.

Violence only hurts our cause. Staying calm while our opponent rages against us shows that our opponent is being irrational.

Sure people could preform illegal gay marriages ( I am a minister and will totally help with that not in protest but because I have horrible debts) but there wouldn't be dogs, batons, or hoses the state just wouldn't recognize them as legal.

Indeed there wouldn't be.

Messy public mass make-out sessions. Juuuuuuuuust under the line of public indecency.


All I ask is that I get advance notification so I can wear heavy rain gear because I am germaphobic.

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.

If we stoop to their level, it only hurts our cause.

Additionally, I would think that flooding the local justice of the peace with marraige lisences for same sex couples would be a great tactic. Bog them down, make it impossible to conduct business as usual.

I like that idea.

Personally, I think we should draw directly from Dr. King's book on civil rights.

I.E., peaceful civil disobedience

Of course, it needs to be adapted for the LGBT rights movement.

Messy public mass make-out sessions. Juuuuuuuuust under the line of public indecency.


All I ask is that I get advance notification so I can wear heavy rain gear because I am germaphobic.

Nice idea.

[Northern Dominus]

Normally I'd be for that but nice time is over. If they're going to spew vitriol and shame at humans just because some bigoted jerk tells them to, well then they're going to get just as much loud verbal abuse as well.

If we stoop to their level, it only hurts our cause.

Stooping to their level? You mean having a few key people brainwashing the unwashed gullable masses, then putting it to a public vote where a small segment of the public got one over on the rest of society?

I'd love to see that done, but this is the south after all, try it and I guarantee you the megachurch supporters will flood the system with all sorts of attack ads and misinformation.

No, turnabout is fair play. Those ministers and clergy staff who pushed for amendment one need to be dragged into the light and demonized, have their hypocrisy and bigotry stripped naked for the rest of the world to see and shun. The people who worship these monsters and every vile word they spew need to be shamed, to be "brung low" as it were.

The only way to get that is to disrupt life as everyone thinks they knows it, which includes the flooding of marriage certificates and making sure most sundays are punctuated by shouting angry crowds across the street. Go to where they think they are safe from the world and make it very unsafe in a metaphorical way (obviously no throwing stuff or any harmful action).

Disruption at every level, create a world where their little bubbles are shattered. Thats how Amendment one dies.

[Grenartia]

If we stoop to their level, it only hurts our cause.

Stooping to their level? You mean having a few key people brainwashing the unwashed gullable masses, then putting it to a public vote where a small segment of the public got one over on the rest of society?

I'd love to see that done, but this is the south after all, try it and I guarantee you the megachurch supporters will flood the system with all sorts of attack ads and misinformation.

No, turnabout is fair play. Those ministers and clergy staff who pushed for amendment one need to be dragged into the light and demonized, have their hypocrisy and bigotry stripped naked for the rest of the world to see and shun. The people who worship these monsters and every vile word they spew need to be shamed, to be "brung low" as it were.

The only way to get that is to disrupt life as everyone thinks they knows it, which includes the flooding of marriage certificates and making sure most sundays are punctuated by shouting angry crowds across the street. Go to where they think they are safe from the world and make it very unsafe in a metaphorical way (obviously no throwing stuff or any harmful action).

Disruption at every level, create a world where their little bubbles are shattered. Thats how Amendment one dies.

Sorry, I thought you meant actual violence.

[Des-Bal]

Violence only hurts our cause. Staying calm while our opponent rages against us shows that our opponent is being irrational.

Sure people could preform illegal gay marriages ( I am a minister and will totally help with that not in protest but because I have horrible debts) but there wouldn't be dogs, batons, or hoses the state just wouldn't recognize them as legal.

Indeed there wouldn't be.

There isn't a dichotomy between Civil Disobedience and violence. There are plenty of ways to protest but I don't see Civil Disobedience doing any good.

[Unified Provinces]

This is really horrible. The North Carolinians who voted for this amendment should be ashamed.

[Northern Dominus]

Stooping to their level? You mean having a few key people brainwashing the unwashed gullable masses, then putting it to a public vote where a small segment of the public got one over on the rest of society?

I'd love to see that done, but this is the south after all, try it and I guarantee you the megachurch supporters will flood the system with all sorts of attack ads and misinformation.

No, turnabout is fair play. Those ministers and clergy staff who pushed for amendment one need to be dragged into the light and demonized, have their hypocrisy and bigotry stripped naked for the rest of the world to see and shun. The people who worship these monsters and every vile word they spew need to be shamed, to be "brung low" as it were.

The only way to get that is to disrupt life as everyone thinks they knows it, which includes the flooding of marriage certificates and making sure most sundays are punctuated by shouting angry crowds across the street. Go to where they think they are safe from the world and make it very unsafe in a metaphorical way (obviously no throwing stuff or any harmful action).

Disruption at every level, create a world where their little bubbles are shattered. Thats how Amendment one dies.

Sorry, I thought you meant actual violence.

Well violence as far as physically clubbing the jerks who advocated for the amendment to death no.

Verbal violence IE throwing verbal molotovs at high volume to shame and humiliate everyone, perfectly fine

[Tmutarakhan]

Next up: Marijuana legalization. I hope.

That's what we thought 40 years ago.

[Hammurab]

Next up: Marijuana legalization. I hope.

That's what we thought 40 years ago.

Hey hey hey. Let's not make anybody sad.

[AiliailiA]

I heard the turnout was 22%, but whatever. It's not an overwhelming victory. It's a sad victory for the forces of ignorance.

The turnout was 34.38% of the eligible voters, and out of that 34.38%, 61.28% voted Yes. Now pay attention class: what percentage of the eligible voters voted Yes? We convert the percentages to decimals, take 0.3438 times 0.6128. Yes, it is OK to use your calculator for this. We round off the answer to .2107 because we only have four digits of precision in the data given, then we convert back to percent as 21.07%

You're using registered voters as the definition of "eligible". That's not really true is it?

also, it's (0.3438 ± 0.00005) x (0.6128 ± 0.00005) = (0.21068064 ± 0.0001) because multiplying you have to add the errors together. That answer could be anything between 0.21078 and 0.21058 ... it could actually be 21.06 ... but both round up to 21.1 so that's safe

To be sure, you should have dropped a digit of accuracy after multiplying, or used a more precise input (which wouldn't actually be justified since the count of registered voters is a rather fuzzy number). 21.1%