Is there sexism towards men in america?

[Ostroeuropa]

This is precisely the sort of thinking that allows sexism to continue.
How many women apply for those jobs?
I'd ask you to adjust your statistics for applicants VS accepted. (You'll find that it comes out with both sexes roughly equal.)
Women tend to enter professional careers rather than business, and there are less women than men in the job market.
Adjust the statistics appropriately or it's pointless using them.
It's also an extension of the old type of sexism that stems from our tribal origins.

"Men do work, too dangerous for baby machine. Leave her in house, ban her from leaving." <-Good for survival, as it happens, hence its prevelance.

Look... patriarchy doesn't hurt both genders. Patriarchy hurts females.

But you do have a point if what you mean is that the notion of gender in general hurts members of both genders in that it assigns certain gender roles and expectations that do not fit every member of that group and that's fine.

But when it comes to men vs women in the board room, do you genuinely think that gender stereotyping (which is what you are against) has nothing to do with why less women than men apply for those well paid jobs that carry all that social and socio-economic power?

Also, please don't appeal to evolutionary science to support spurious claims, unless you wish to undermine evolutionary science itself. You could just as well use evolutionary science to to say that because women are "designed" to run households, which are economic units, whereas men are designed to go hunt, which does not involve economic units, women are designed to run politics and corporations, and men are designed to mine, fish, hunt, and go to war.

So leave this "male/female nature" bullshit aside, and tell me why is it that women exclude themselves from jobs for which they are perfectly well qualified, not just that they do?

I'm appealing to evolutionary science on a social level to explain why sexism arose.
Indeed, should have arissen during a time where our survival depended on keeping women safe, and men really were an expendable gender.
During that time, a man became a replaceable machine and a woman had no right of agency, lest she endanger the entire future of the tribe.
It isn't a biological fact, it's a social fact that arose from the tribes which adopted that view vastly outbreeding and supplanting say, matriarchal societies, or equal societies.
These days, we are not in danger of turning around one day to suddenly find that we don't have enough women to continue the species, so why is this aspect of our culture still around?
Regarding females as precious property, to be protected, and males as expendable workhorses.
And yes, patriarchy does hurt both genders, either that or we are not a patriarchy. I invite you to explain how it doesn't.

[Ostroeuropa]

No I don't have a solution, i'm just pointing out that considering the risk falls on men for unplanned pregnancy slightly more, the cost shouldn't fall disproportionately on them.

tbh getting pregnant is a pretty big cost. unless you were talking about finances, in which case the woman would also have a financial burden from the baby. and since they father apparently doesn't want it and is being "forced", we can assume the woman is probably also going to end up looking after it.

Not always, the woman can in fact give the baby to a family member or friend and still demand payment from the father.

[Ovisterra]

You're talking about gender roles. This is something feminism is actively trying to change.

They only actively try to change female gender roles.

I'm a feminist, and I'm trying to end all gender roles.

[Ovisterra]

I'm sorry, what?

Forcing all men to sign up for the draft isn't the work of the government? Or is it not sexist?

Not giving men the same opportunities as women to abdicate all rights and responsibilities towards a child is not the work of the government? Or is it not sexist?

The government allowing insurance companies to charge men more is not the work of the government? Or is it not sexist?

The government setting up programs to assist women in education and obtaining work is not the work of the government? Or is it not sexist?


I could go on...but I think (hopefully) you get my point.

The list goes on and on. Homeless men are held responsible for their status, and women are assisted in finding housing. Men accused of sexual assault are basically considered guilty until proven innocent, and even then the stain remains on him. His name is printed in the media, while his female accuser's name is not revealed "to protect the victim". Women can join men's gym clubs, but men are excluded from women's gyms, as upheld by the judicial system. There is a Women's Voters League, but if men started one, then...

Source needed for all of those.

[Ovisterra]

Nursing isn't a low-status profession any more. It's still, however, a profession that men will get made fun of for entering, and so male entry into the field is very slow.

Teaching is an increasingly feminized profession. What happened? Discrimination against men is on the rise there.

More women in field =/= discrimination against men

[Ovisterra]

I regularly read women's magazines, and the sexism in them is amazing
But yeah, I was thinking of starting a modern western masculism magazine....

Why start "masculism"? Why not just decide that you support equality, an ideal which encompasses feminism and what I think this "masculism" is.

[Ovisterra]

There is sexism in America. None of us can avoid it.

Men tend to come away with a net gain as a result of sexism, while women come away with a net loss, but both genders can point to some gains and losses that they experience for no reason other than the completely arbitrary bullshit sexism that our society is clinging to despite mountains of evidence that it is harmful, counterproductive, and utterly unnecessary.

Some people aspire to be millionaires or footballers. I aspire to eliminate the concept of gender from society.

[Ovisterra]

No. If A =B then B = A always. It's a fundamental identity. You don't need to believe me. Look it up. It's kinda basic. Break it and the whole world falls apart.

What you MEAN to say is that if A is a member of set B then not all members of set B need be equal to A.

You're confusing equality (identity) with set membership.

Feminism strives for equal rights for women and men. This is the definition of feminism. It's what feminism is. It does not matter if you like that or not.

Except it's not, feminism is the advocation of women's rights. Literally by definition, although some definitions propose stopping at the point where both are equal, which will never happen as in some areas women are ahead. And feminism, by definition cannot address that as it is all about increasing.

As a feminist, I can reliably tell you that feminism is about equality.

[Pacific Bohemia]

Ah, I wish I could participate in this... alas, it is a work night. Maybe I'll jump in tomorrow evening if this thread's still cooking. Here's a link to an interesting video - one of a series - where a woman explains her beef with feminism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA&feature=plcp

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Women's expected life: 80.1 years
Men's expected life: 74.8 years

There are very few places on the globe where men on average live longer than women. Biology isn't sexist.

[Parastovia]

There's a definite sexism directed towards both genders I find.
Kind of like a "violence creates violence" sort of thing.

[Pope Joan]

As an attorney, I saw men put up with physical abuse because no police, no DA, no judge would ever take their side. The woman could bruise and cut him, he could not even defensively raise his hands in front of his face because that would be a "threatening" gesture. One client was scalded from behind by his wife, with boiling soup. His wife successfully charged HIM with abuse because when he leaped up out of his chair, scalded, the chair bumped her.

Judge Wolfe of Warren County PA would never allow any evidence of physical abuse by a woman to be introduced onto the record.

[Potarius]

Does this mean I can finally grow my own boobs now?

...Awesome. Fucking awesome.

Unless you want to invest in some silicone, I don't think so.

I already have manboobs. Therefore, I win.

[Potarius]

Don't you get it? You have to think about the menz all the time. It's always about the menz, because the menz are most important. Bros before hoes etc.

If she ever tries to fucking leave again
Im'a tie her to the bed and set this house on fire

Tie her to the radiator and grape her in the mouth.

*nod*

[Priory Academy USSR]

I think that sexism does exist still against men, mainly because of political correctness and femininists. I'm not against equal rights, but any suggestion of equal maternity/paternity leave or male power over pregnancy (however small) is met by hostility and degredation as it is 'sexist'. Eventually, we will find a balance, but that day is at least a few decades away.

[Pyravar]

Herp Derp, Men naturally live less then women due to the fact we're not as important. That's not sexist. Not to mention that bad health habits contribute to that. Even prostate cancer kills very rarely and treatment actually worsens it, half of all men by age 80 have prostate cancer and died from other causes. It's possible it develops naturally. In reality nobody's supposed to live past age fifty.

Not as important? If you're speaking from a biological standpoint you do realize women aren't fertile their entire lives right?

[R Ev0lution]

Yes, there is serious de facto sexism against both men and women in the United States.

Unfortunately, the OP's argument is flawed at best, and doesn't help prove the point at all.

[Radiatia]

I can't comment on America, but it's possible. I do know that America is horribly sexist against women.

Where I live, I have long felt that there is a slight social bias against men that borders on sexism, yes.

[Raeyh]

prostate cancer doesn't usually harm you even if it is common

Malignant prostate cancer is one of the fastest spreading cancers in existence.

[Robert Magoo]

Yes, there is; there's sexism towards both women and men, by both women and men, everywhere in the world.

[Roman soldier 911]

How is that....how is that sexism? What?

Well, I guess nature is just sexist.

lol

[Rosemary and Thyme]

I regularly read women's magazines, and the sexism in them is amazing
But yeah, I was thinking of starting a modern western masculism magazine....

[Royal Hindustan]

Yes.And every women's health care association,Feminist movement should be either banished or
Executed.

[SaintB]

There is sexism toward both men and women until people realize that what set of chromosomes you carry doesn't fucking matter. That goes for every place.

[SaintB]

There is sexism toward both men and women and it will continue to exist until there is no more pressure to behave a certain way or have a certain job/lifestyle or were certain types of clothes and et. all.