Is there sexism towards men in america?

[Knusk]

Don't be a sexist. Bitches hate that.

[Knusk]

Now, even if you won't go around accepting that feminism is about women's rights not equality (by definition, not NSG practice) you must surely be able to see that feminism's approach to equality is just about the worse way one can go about getting it. The worse way would be cutting rights instead of increasing them on average.

This is simply because it approaches (by all definitions) achieveing equality from one side and one side only. In effect this has just hurt everyone except for people who haven't stopped to look behind.

Um... no? By using history as evidence, I think it's safe to say that it's not "just about the worse way one can go about getting" equality.

[Knusk]

Um... no? By using history as evidence, I think it's safe to say that it's not "just about the worse way one can go about getting" equality.

There are three ways. Address inconsistencies from all sides. Address inconsistencies from one side. Remove advantages of one over the other. Of those, only one is a good idea.

Not at all. When the starting point is [Group A has virtually no rights] and [Group B enjoys all rights], it's unproblematic that the approach from the outset is [Make Group A equal to group B] - working from the perspective of Group A.

You can make the argument that it should change as time goes by and Group A becomes more equal to Group B, but it's ridiculous to suggest that this approach is the "worst way" when Group A starts out lacking fundamental rights, even considering your newly presented three alternatives.

[Ladamesansmerci]

I also pointed out that when you look at the men who had the best case, in 29% of the cases men were the primary caregiver. Those are the strongest possible cases. And in 29% of the cases men were awarded sole custody. Coincidence? Nope. Now, compare that to the 71% of the time where women had the better case. They got sole custody 7% of the time.

We need a maths lesson at this point.

We have 100 frogs.

29 have black spots.

29 have muddy feet.

You would tell us that all the black spotted frogs have muddy feet...

You're presenting a case of independent occurrences, which statistically is unlikely. However, in the case Jocabia laid out, it would be more analogous to say black-spotted frogs are very likely to jump into mud. In that case, there is a statistical dependence between mud and spots, which makes the scenario of overlap between the two occurrences much more likely.

[Laobaen]

Sexism goes both ways and it's happening all over the world.

Though, I can't help but observe that if the feminist movement were to die then sexism against males drops off almost completely and the sexism against select women bred by those feminists insisting that every fucking difference between man and woman ~ Sorry, "Womyn" ~ is sexist would vanish as well. In fact, I suffer from a severe case of the latter.

http://depantsing-queens.greatnow.com/should-males-be-required-to-pee-sitting-down.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lrous.html

http://www.ramzpaul.com/2012/04/feminis ... exist.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nding.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... azine.html

Just a few examples of why I definitely would not mind anyone who identifies as a feminist being thrown into a volcano...

But, on the plus side, I never have to pay when I take a lady out somewhere because me paying would be "sexist".

[Lessnt]

This might be applied to the world, or various nations, but I would like to focus in on America.

pulling some info from various, but here is an entry I that spurred the thought: http://www.martynemko.com/articles/shou ... lth_id1231

Here is the stats:

Women's expected life: 80.1 years
Men's expected life: 74.8 years

There are seven federal health agencies specifically for women. Not one for men.

39 of the 50 states have an office of women’s health, only six have one for men.

Even the post office has gotten into the act: there is only one disease for which you can buy a postage stamp and the profits will go to research to cure the disease: breast cancer, even though heart disease kills millions more men prematurely.

We can also see more advertisements geared towards women. Take breast cancer awareness (which is pink for obvious reasons), and we even have a breast cancer awareness month. Can anyone tell me what month is testicular cancer month? or prostate cancer month?

My point is simply this, if men are dying on average 5 years before women, shouldn't we be focusing on men's health more than women? And where is the feminist movement on this? Seeing as feminist will say to your face that they are fighting for equal rights between the sexes... does this one area not count?

Women always have it better.
Its the culture of the USA.
Women have it best when men are being drafted.

[Lpana]

I don't think so.

[Luka]

Just like the weather, you will always have some sort of predjudice in the form of sexism, racism, ageism, ect. People are so diverse and brought up different ways and a lot of people are egotistical putting themselves (or gender) above others. I may be a male but I support women's rights and feminism and feel that specific group still sees more sexism than males.

Check out my blog!

[Luka]

Indeed, I'm not sure why this thread is still going.

This thread is going because there is an element of truth left undiscovered. Why yes, we know there is discrimination, and based on evidence presented, I believe it is fairly conclusive. So the question and this thread has moved beyond the simple surface question of "is there discrimination" and moved more onto two different topics.

One topic is: Should we be concerned with men's rights when they are above another group. The basis of this question can be distilled further to simply ask the question: can the majority, in power group, be a victim of discrimination AND should that discrimination be corrected?

the other topic at hand is: Why is discrimination against men accepted, when the tolerance of minorities or women have almost a zero tolerance for discrimination?

I really do enjoy where this thread is going, and hope to see it evolve a bit more as we drill down as to not only the causes of it, but I imagine after we figure out why it is acceptable, we can start to distill further what is the correct action that can be taken to address these underlying issues that make discrimination against men acceptable.

The fact of the matter is that discrimination in no way should be tolerated. It is not a question of men's or women's rights because its human rights in general. Gender has nothing to do with it, and anyone who believes that one group being discriminated against as oppossed to the other needs a catscan.

[Lyrantea]

There is sexism everywhere.

[Magmia]

Yes I would say there is. Example: if Katy Perry's song "Peacock" were to be sung by a man referring to a woman like that, there would be an uproar for sure.

[Magmia]

Yes I would say there is. Example: if Katy Perry's song "Peacock" were to be sung by a man referring to a woman like that, there would be an uproar for sure.

Do you mean in a degrading, objectifying or derogatory manner?

How about the lovely gem "I wanna f*** you" by Akon?
Or maybe "Wayne on me" by Lil Wayne?

Please note that both of these songs contain strong language and mature themes. Viewer discretion is advised.

Well they are criticized for those songs as they should be. Katy Perry's piece of trash "Peacock" is very derogatory to men, yet we hear no criticism about that. To me thats sexism

[Magmia]

Well they are criticized for those songs as they should be. Katy Perry's piece of trash "Peacock" is very derogatory to men, yet we hear no criticism about that. To me thats sexism

Do you want to know why peacocks look the way they do? It has a lot to do with peahens and peachicks.

Um......... are u making a joke?

[Magmia]

Well they are criticized for those songs as they should be. Katy Perry's piece of trash "Peacock" is very derogatory to men, yet we hear no criticism about that. To me thats sexism

Do you have any idea at all how many songs out there use extremely derogatory or incredibly sexist language to describe women? I'd guess it's close to half, but I could be underestimating it.

Also, I could be wrong, but I thought that "peacocking" was the term used by so-called pickup artists whose whole deal is "treat women like shit"? Perhaps the song is about them, not men in general? (I haven't heard the song)

She says "show me your peacock" in the song. That what the whole thing is about. You need to listen to the song. The whole thing talks about a mans privates. its disgusting. Very degrading to men

[Magmia]

That's derogatory to men?

Meh.

Most guys would simply say "Ok I will show you mine if you show me yours"

Yeah... I read the lyrics and it's pretty tame.

Also it's slightly misogynistic in places (e.g. "don't be a beeyotch" because being feminine is bad, of course).

"Show me the prize or imma peace out" not sure exactly what it says but essentially the same

Oh sure, not derogatory in the slightest

Listen closely to the song, people who practice abstinence (like me) are mocked in the song. Not saying we all have to practice it, but men who do should not be mocked.

[Magmia]

"Show me the prize or imma peace out" not sure exactly what it says but essentially the same

Oh sure, not derogatory in the slightest

Listen closely to the song, people who practice abstinence (like me) are mocked in the song. Not saying we all have to practice it, but men who do should not be mocked.

It really is a major problem. And clearly the music industry is sexist against men. I can't think of any examples of sexism towards women in songs. Nope. Definitely, men are being degraded by women much more frequently.

See, people don't get up in arms about this song because compared to songs threatening women with rape and being set on fire, this song just doesn't really make the radar. It doesn't make the sexism in this song okay. It doesn't make it not important. It just means that there is just so much bandwidth that people have for outrage and this just didn't make the cut.

And I would be stupid to say that there is no sexism towards women in music, much more frequent than men, and its disgusting. I brought up the song as a case to say yes, there is sexism against men America. But this thread is about sexism towards men, not women. Therefore I did not bring up women as this is not what the thread is about.

[Magmia]

It really is a major problem. And clearly the music industry is sexist against men. I can't think of any examples of sexism towards women in songs. Nope. Definitely, men are being degraded by women much more frequently.

See, people don't get up in arms about this song because compared to songs threatening women with rape and being set on fire, this song just doesn't really make the radar. It doesn't make the sexism in this song okay. It doesn't make it not important. It just means that there is just so much bandwidth that people have for outrage and this just didn't make the cut.

Don't you get it? You have to think about the menz all the time. It's always about the menz, because the menz are most important. Bros before hoes etc.

No, this thread is about sexism against men, so why would we bring up women? Its not the thread for it.

[Meowfoundland]

Men are apparently incapable of developing breast cancer is just one of the lovely nuggets of wisdom included in the opening post.

[Meowfoundland]

Men are apparently incapable of developing breast cancer is just one of the lovely nuggets of wisdom included in the opening post.

To be fair, it's exceedingly rare.

Yes, but to say it only affects women is insulting to the ~400 men who die of it a year, as well as just plain wrong.

[Meowfoundland]

Men are apparently incapable of developing breast cancer is just one of the lovely nuggets of wisdom included in the opening post.

can you please show me where I said that? Unless you are claiming that men are EQUALLY as likely to get breast cancer as women.

Let's do a quick google search. About 10% of women will have breast cancer at some point.

Men... lets look it up... looking up... 1%!

So somehow, 1% and 10% are now equal in math!

Point is, I never claimed never got breast cancer, but breast cancer helps women significantly more than men. And generally speaking, more money is spent into helping women live longer, yet women already live longer. This would be like a law or bill being passed that said that white males need affirmative action. Even though white males get paid more on average, have better employment, we need more money and research going into help men get jobs. If this actually happened, people would be pissed off. They would call it racist and sexist to help men, whom already have the advantage, get more of an advantage.

Likewise now, I am merely saying that to help women, who already live longer than men, to live longer and putting more effort into achieving that result seems morally wrong.

You may not have claimed that men didn't get breast cancer, but you didn't even mention them and used awareness of breast cancer as an example of how men are discriminated against, implying that it's solely a woman's disease. Also- why should the fact that women live longer deny the sufferers of breast cancer (my aunt among them) of much needed funding? If you think that prostate, testicular and other male only cancers are more important, then donate your own money to them.

Yes, but to say it only affects women is insulting to the ~400 men who die of it a year, as well as just plain wrong.

So you are claiming that ignoring the 400 deaths due to male breast cancer is wrong, but ignoring the millions of men that die due to lack of funding in diseases that affect them is not morally wrong? It is morally right to help the person living the longest to live longer, but immoral to help the person who has the shorter life span. Can you please tell me how ignoring 400 deaths (although I actually didn't) is more morally wrong than ignoring the thousands of men that die due to lack of proper allocation of research funds? Please, I can't wait to read this response.

Wow, it's almost like you just made a whole load of shit up about what I said!

[Meryuma]

Read The War Against Boys. There's been an anti-male bias since the 60s. The hippies started uit, and the modern Statist continues it. If you took the Nazi's stand on anything and replaced "Jew" with "white European male", you'd have the American Democratic Party's position. Men are, along with fat people, the last politically correct scapegoats.

Most Democratic politicians are white European males. Most Nazi politicians weren't Jews.

Also, a lot of hippies were anti-statist.

[Meryuma]

i love how feminist have hijacked this thread to make it about them once again. Thread is about sexism towards men, and the 2 big feminist here are talking about how great feminism is and how it help, but seem to fail to state if they see men as being discriminated against or not. Sure, women have some ways to go to be equal, and men have some ground to cover as well, but as one person pointed out, this thread was about men and sexism in society towards them.

So why are feminists defending feminism in a male sexist thread?

I haven't had good experiences which feminists, and can't help but think this is typical of feminists, ignore the issue (men's rights / sexism) and refocus on feminism... again.


So feminists, seeing as you are trying to "help men", why did you you hijack a male sexism thread in order to spout how great feminism is? Why not bring your feminist thoughts to the table to highlight the areas of society that men are not as equal as women. Again, you claim to be fighting for men's rights as well, so you should be experts on this topic, yet have to put forth anything to show how men are being discriminated against. So if youa are helping, where is your help?

Feminism done right helps both males and females, since patriarchy hurts all involved genders.

[Mike the Progressive]

Of course there is. The Feminazis have gone from being about equality to special rights! It's why we need a Sexist League to fight women who vote, hold nontraditional roles, and are non-college/unattractive lesbians!

Sexist League away!

[Milks Empire]

The notion that men are somehow immune from being victims of sex crimes when women are the alleged perpetrators (since we're supposedly sex beasts who want it constantly and would never dream of turning a woman away) is a form of misandric sexism in America.

[Morning Glory]

While no inherent sexism exists within America. No one is yelling "boys suck" except for feminazis. The system though has a small favoring for girls in School .... Of course I'm only in 7th grade and may be wrong.

The fact that you're still in 7th grade should tell you something about how much perspective on this issue you have. If you're only basing things on your own (potentially, and seemingly) limited experience in a world that is very much an insulated bubble compared to the world after highschool, your information is severely limited. It doesn't really take much to figure out that there is inherent sexism still in Western society, just like other prejudices still exist. Quite simply, if these problems didn't exist, there'd be no need for legislation to fix them. In your country, frankly, all you have to do is look at the battles being waged over abortion and birth control to see the problem!