Why South Hate?

[Des-Bal]

Homosexuality detracts from the sanctity of marriage and people are thus more lax in sexual matters. This has been illustrated in every western country which has legalized homosexuality.

I'm not the type to demand sources but you aren't making an ethical claim your making a statement of fact proof please.

[Hittanryan]

Since when was hating people for being different a good thing?
The good parts of Christian morality are the not judging, the loving your neighbour and disregarding grudges and disagreement. Those are the parts worth keeping.
Plus, give me one way in which homosexuality is corrupting.

Homosexuality detracts from the sanctity of marriage and people are thus more lax in sexual matters. This has been illustrated in every western country which has legalized homosexuality.

We do love our neighbor, that is why we seek to protect everyone from corrupting influences.

Known to others as "cram my morals down your throat for your own good."

[Unchecked Expansion]

Homosexuality detracts from the sanctity of marriage and people are thus more lax in sexual matters. This has been illustrated in every western country which has legalized homosexuality.

How? Give evidence.
Doesn't homosexuals being in unmarried sexual relationships undermine marriage more?
What exactly is the sanctity of marriage anyway? Marriage is a kind of contract, nothing more.

[Farnhamia]

Homosexuality detracts from the sanctity of marriage and people are thus more lax in sexual matters. This has been illustrated in every western country which has legalized homosexuality.

How? Give evidence.
Doesn't homosexuals being in unmarried sexual relationships undermine marriage more?
What exactly is the sanctity of marriage anyway? Marriage is a kind of contract, nothing more.

Homosexuals have a kind of aura or force field around them. We do. Haven't you noticed that plants wither in our vicinity and normal straight people become sick? I have a friend who can literally peel paint off a wall. *nod*

[Unchecked Expansion]

Homosexuals have a kind of aura or force field around them. We do. Haven't you noticed that plants wither in our vicinity and normal straight people become sick? I have a friend who can literally peel paint off a wall. *nod*

I think I've become conditioned to it, spending all my time in the company of the gays has made my testosterone turn pink and feeble.
I'm probably getting serious gaydiation right now, there's 3 or 4 LGBT bars just up the road.

[Farnhamia]

Homosexuals have a kind of aura or force field around them. We do. Haven't you noticed that plants wither in our vicinity and normal straight people become sick? I have a friend who can literally peel paint off a wall. *nod*

I think I've become conditioned to it, spending all my time in the company of the gays has made my testosterone turn pink and feeble.
I'm probably getting serious gaydiation right now, there's 3 or 4 LGBT bars just up the road.

I shouldn't be telling you this, but you seem like a nice person, so ... Lead foil is best, of course, but aluminum foil will do. Just make sure the shiny side is OUT.

[Unchecked Expansion]

I shouldn't be telling you this, but you seem like a nice person, so ... Lead foil is best, of course, but aluminum foil will do. Just make sure the shiny side is OUT.

So it's not too late for me? Thank goodness.
But the other day... I saw a penis and thought it wasn't entirely disgusting.

[Farnhamia]

I shouldn't be telling you this, but you seem like a nice person, so ... Lead foil is best, of course, but aluminum foil will do. Just make sure the shiny side is OUT.

So it's not too late for me? Thank goodness.
But the other day... I saw a penis and thought it wasn't entirely disgusting.

From an engineering perspective, they aren't disgusting. Unless you activate them somehow, you know.

[Genivaria]

So it's not too late for me? Thank goodness.
But the other day... I saw a penis and thought it wasn't entirely disgusting.

From an engineering perspective, they aren't disgusting. Unless you activate them somehow, you know.

I fucking love you guys.
No...really. I think I love you guys.

[Bengera]

And get this there were even Black Slave Owners in Louisiana!

Don't even dare.

[Tmutarakhan]

It doesn't have to be mention explicitly. The 14th Amendment says, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

I am a citizen. I am gay. In North Carolina, to follow our example, the privilege of getting married has been abridged by a law that specifically bans my marrying a person of the same sex as me. You are a citizen. You are not gay. You can marry the person you want. Your privilege is not abridged.

but the state does recognize the marriage. in New York. the whole point is that they cannot get gay married on THEIR (north carolina) turf. from my understanding, they receive all the federal marriage benefits, and thus there is no crime other than them having to go to new york to get married and having to deal with the TSA nazis

No, we receive no federal marriage benefits, though that law may finally get struck down if the Republicans do badly enough in November.

Anyway, I've been to NC, to see a friend in Asheville and another who used to be in Greenville, those seemed like nice towns-- but I got the impression those little islands of sanity are besieged by the sea of Nidaria types, and apparently we will get confirmation today. I thought of applying for a job down there, but-- no, just no.

Because the term 'homophobe' can't mean someone who hates gays.

Nope, not at all

there is this language named 'latin'. bastardizing it does not help anyone anywhere.

The language was actually called "Greek". The root phobos in Greek refers to all sorts of negative emotions, not strictly "fear".

[Jedi8246]

Yes because legislation is a magic pencil that solves everything.

The current "anti-discrimination" laws (Affirmative Action, Title IX, etc), are already bad ideas and simply perpetuate racism. Similairly, such laws to discriminate against gay employment, housing,etc (Which I have never seen in the South. You do really need to actually come to the South. Your bigotry would be lessened if actually knew what you were talking about.) will only perpuate society's problems. The greatest victories against racial discrimination were MLK and Rosa Park's fights. The bus boycotts and rallies. Not the legislation pen of Kennedy (who was willing to let MLK rot in jail until politics dictated otherwise).

I'm not saying that homosexuals should be allowed into positions simply to allow for diversity, merely that they not be fired for the sole reason that they are homosexual. Similarly, they shouldn't be denied housing simply because they are homosexual. That is the only protection from discrimination necessary in those fields.

I have been to the south a total of six times. I wasn't impressed.

Legislation is what ended the discrimination, which is what King and Parks truly fought for; Government recognition of their rights via law and government action.

Well I can't pretend to know what every single business in the South does, but I have never seen a homosexual denied a job because of his sexuality. In fact, I don't know of any homosexual who doesn't have a house and home around here.

Six times doesn't allow for the stereotypes that you continually cast.

Legislation did not end the discrimination. I point to the Little Rock 9 as just one example of legislation not solving anything. The people worked to be accepted on their own. Equality was reached through the actions of people, not the politicians. Look at Remember the Titans, The Great Debaters, and many other stories of people fighting and working together to accepted. The government interference didn't solve these problems. Government legislation is what brought us the Jim Crow Laws and gay marriage bans. I for one advocate the government having no business being involved in marriage at all. That's between the people and their religious place. Government can handle legal unions between people, not the marriage part.

[Jedi8246]

Redneck, you people don't even know what that means do you? You don't know that the term is a respectable term that originated in the fight against the Mining Corporations? Redneck, in the literal translation was someone who fought in the Mining Corporation-Mining Union wars of the late 18 hundreds, where those miners fighting for better wages and better conditions wore red bandannas around their necks.

So yeah as someone from Kentucky, and a proud Southern I am more than happy to be called a Redneck, Hillbilly, or whatever "slur" people come up with.

Also in regards to South hate I will admit we do have a rather bad image fostered from the bigots that ran about in white hoods making us all look like a bunch of blundering fools. However civil war misconceptions don't help as the OP stated.

Well done sir, well done. 2 fish baits for you.

[The Black Forrest]

And get this there were even Black Slave Owners in Louisiana!

Don't even dare.

I read somewhere a Federal census reported 3500 or so heads of house had slaves. So doesn't 2% of Southern Free Blacks owning slaves make it not really a white thing?

[Tmutarakhan]

I for one advocate the government having no business being involved in marriage at all. That's between the people and their religious place. Government can handle legal unions between people, not the marriage part.

"Marriage" IS the "legal union". That's what the word means. RELIGION is what has no fucking business being involved in marriage at all. You can have all the wedding ceremonies you like, but butt out of people's marriages.
My parents, like most people outside the south in those days, got married without any church involvement at all, and it wasn't until the last dozen years or so that G.D.C's had the unmitigated gall to question the legitimacy of their marriage. But in the south, this kind of thinking has become the norm. You want to know why you are despised? This is a major reason, right there.

[United Dependencies]

Oh North Carolina, why do you disappoint me so? I love this land so dearly, why must the people do this?

[The Black Forrest]

Redneck, you people don't even know what that means do you? You don't know that the term is a respectable term that originated in the fight against the Mining Corporations? Redneck, in the literal translation was someone who fought in the Mining Corporation-Mining Union wars of the late 18 hundreds, where those miners fighting for better wages and better conditions wore red bandannas around their necks.

So yeah as someone from Kentucky, and a proud Southern I am more than happy to be called a Redneck, Hillbilly, or whatever "slur" people come up with.

Also in regards to South hate I will admit we do have a rather bad image fostered from the bigots that ran about in white hoods making us all look like a bunch of blundering fools. However civil war misconceptions don't help as the OP stated.

Actually it goes back farther. In 17th century Scotland rednecks where supporters of the National covenant.

I think the word made it over to the us as it was used to describe Presbyterians in the early 1800s.

There have been an attempt to discover the "Southern orgins" and basically fall under white farmers and sharecoppers working the fields. Of course I can't remember where I saw that so believe it or not.

The events you describe were the early 1900s.

I think it was the 20s; where the term was used for communists. Appalachia minefields I think.

Words change meanings over time. Just because there was a positive use; doesn't invalidate the negative use.

Words change between countries(duh I know).

Head to San Francisco and talk about smoking a couple fags and see the looks you will get.

[Jedi8246]

I for one advocate the government having no business being involved in marriage at all. That's between the people and their religious place. Government can handle legal unions between people, not the marriage part.

"Marriage" IS the "legal union". That's what the word means. RELIGION is what has no fucking business being involved in marriage at all. You can have all the wedding ceremonies you like, but butt out of people's marriages.
My parents, like most people outside the south in those days, got married without any church involvement at all, and it wasn't until the last dozen years or so that G.D.C's had the unmitigated gall to question the legitimacy of their marriage. But in the south, this kind of thinking has become the norm. You want to know why you are despised? This is a major reason, right there.

I am well aware of that debate behind the origins of the term marriage. But in modern American society, the term marriage does have religion attached to it, right or wrong. And since the First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law making an establishment of religion, legislating marriage is not right.

I'm sorry that your bigoted views make you despise a culture based on differing definitions of a term, but it would be better for the government to not be involved. Insisting that homosexual couples have the legal term "marriage" upon them is as stubborn as heterosexuals insisting that the term belong to them. I for one support gay marriage if the church will let them, but this is none of the government's business. Government doesn't exist to decide who can be with who.

[Genivaria]

"Marriage" IS the "legal union". That's what the word means. RELIGION is what has no fucking business being involved in marriage at all. You can have all the wedding ceremonies you like, but butt out of people's marriages.
My parents, like most people outside the south in those days, got married without any church involvement at all, and it wasn't until the last dozen years or so that G.D.C's had the unmitigated gall to question the legitimacy of their marriage. But in the south, this kind of thinking has become the norm. You want to know why you are despised? This is a major reason, right there.

I am well aware of that debate behind the origins of the term marriage. But in modern American society, the term marriage does have religion attached to it, right or wrong. And since the First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law making an establishment of religion, legislating marriage is not right.

Talk about Insane Troll Logic.

[Jedi8246]

I am well aware of that debate behind the origins of the term marriage. But in modern American society, the term marriage does have religion attached to it, right or wrong. And since the First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law making an establishment of religion, legislating marriage is not right.

Talk about Insane Troll Logic.

There's nothing insane about it. As noted many times by people here on this forum, meanings of words change over time. Right now, marriage denotes religious union in American society. IF you can't see that, then you are the insane one.

[The Black Forrest]

"Marriage" IS the "legal union". That's what the word means. RELIGION is what has no fucking business being involved in marriage at all. You can have all the wedding ceremonies you like, but butt out of people's marriages.
My parents, like most people outside the south in those days, got married without any church involvement at all, and it wasn't until the last dozen years or so that G.D.C's had the unmitigated gall to question the legitimacy of their marriage. But in the south, this kind of thinking has become the norm. You want to know why you are despised? This is a major reason, right there.

I am well aware of that debate behind the origins of the term marriage. But in modern American society, the term marriage does have religion attached to it, right or wrong. And since the First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law making an establishment of religion, legislating marriage is not right.

I'm sorry that your bigoted views make you despise a culture based on differing definitions of a term, but it would be better for the government to not be involved. Insisting that homosexual couples have the legal term "marriage" upon them is as stubborn as heterosexuals insisting that the term belong to them. I for one support gay marriage if the church will let them, but this is none of the government's business. Government doesn't exist to decide who can be with who.

Sure there a religious connotations but that does not define ownership.

Religion has a history of taking things for themselves.....

[Jedi8246]

I am well aware of that debate behind the origins of the term marriage. But in modern American society, the term marriage does have religion attached to it, right or wrong. And since the First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law making an establishment of religion, legislating marriage is not right.

I'm sorry that your bigoted views make you despise a culture based on differing definitions of a term, but it would be better for the government to not be involved. Insisting that homosexual couples have the legal term "marriage" upon them is as stubborn as heterosexuals insisting that the term belong to them. I for one support gay marriage if the church will let them, but this is none of the government's business. Government doesn't exist to decide who can be with who.

Sure there a religious connotations but that does not define ownership.

Religion has a history of taking things for themselves.....

I'm suggesting no one get ownership by butting the government the hell out of it. It shouldn't be the government's job in the first place.

[Genivaria]

Talk about Insane Troll Logic.

There's nothing insane about it. As noted many times by people here on this forum, meanings of words change over time. Right now, marriage denotes religious union in American society. IF you can't see that, then you are the insane one.

Thats nice, just completely ignore the fact that government does not equal society.
It doesn't matter what you THINK marriage is, its always been legitimized by the government.

Also, the first amendment has nothing to do with marriage, stop with the persecution complex, thats not what Freedom of Religion means.

[Markinian Skrill]

North carolina is why people think the way they do about the south. They let their governments and states have no regard for other people who don't fit their box. Fuckig unbelievable.

[Hittanryan]

"Marriage" IS the "legal union". That's what the word means. RELIGION is what has no fucking business being involved in marriage at all. You can have all the wedding ceremonies you like, but butt out of people's marriages.
My parents, like most people outside the south in those days, got married without any church involvement at all, and it wasn't until the last dozen years or so that G.D.C's had the unmitigated gall to question the legitimacy of their marriage. But in the south, this kind of thinking has become the norm. You want to know why you are despised? This is a major reason, right there.

I am well aware of that debate behind the origins of the term marriage. But in modern American society, the term marriage does have religion attached to it, right or wrong. And since the First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law making an establishment of religion, legislating marriage is not right.

I'm sorry that your bigoted views make you despise a culture based on differing definitions of a term, but it would be better for the government to not be involved. Insisting that homosexual couples have the legal term "marriage" upon them is as stubborn as heterosexuals insisting that the term belong to them. I for one support gay marriage if the church will let them, but this is none of the government's business. Government doesn't exist to decide who can be with who.

14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.