Why South Hate?

[Farnhamia]

Nope. The Defense of Marriage Act relieves them of that obligation: "No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

doesn't seem much point on harping on about the north-south divide when the've both ganged up to oppress gay people. be united by your shared values I say.

Indeed. We may see DOMA challenged in the courts, I don't know. The Constitution requires full faith and credit. What Congress said was, "Yeah, well, not in this case," and that just seems ... oh, what's the word? ... unconstitutional.

[The Aryan Nations]

Someone who spreads lies about history.

You're thinking of a negationist.

A revisionist is someone engaged in the perfectly legitimate academic process of revising our interpretations of the past based on new evidence, reappraisals of existing evidence in light of alternative interpretive paradigms, or reconsideration of the reasoning behind the existing interpretations.

the same people who proved that 8 million people (original count) didnt die at auschwitz and were called neo nazis for it.

[Des-Bal]

doesn't seem much point on harping on about the north-south divide when the've both ganged up to oppress gay people. be united by your shared values I say.

Doma makes sense from the perspective that marriage laws are a state issue. The north has significantly more states that recognize gay marriage.

[The Aryan Nations]

doesn't seem much point on harping on about the north-south divide when the've both ganged up to oppress gay people. be united by your shared values I say.

Indeed. We may see DOMA challenged in the courts, I don't know. The Constitution requires full faith and credit. What Congress said was, "Yeah, well, not in this case," and that just seems ... oh, what's the word? ... unconstitutional.

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

[Arumdaum]

What do you mean?

In Europe and the rest of the world they hate people from the Northern East and West coast of the US because you all are pricks. But Southerns are considered friendly and all around good people.

Err, no.

[The Aryan Nations]

Edited to 25, you will see.

which includes tennessee, louisiana, alabama, and missouri (which is an arguable one, i will give you that)

and i was referring to the original 11. which brings the fraction up to...

7/11, or 63%.

You didn't clarify, so this is what's known as moving the goalposts.

...what did you think i meant by 'the south'? it should have been blatantly obvious that i meant 'the old confederacy'. so this is what is known as 'poor reading comprehension'.

[The UK in Exile]

Indeed. We may see DOMA challenged in the courts, I don't know. The Constitution requires full faith and credit. What Congress said was, "Yeah, well, not in this case," and that just seems ... oh, what's the word? ... unconstitutional.

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

states must give full faith and credit to laws and acts from other states. In theory a marriage licence from san francisco ought to be upheld in alabama.

[The Aryan Nations]

In Europe and the rest of the world they hate people from the Northern East and West coast of the US because you all are pricks. But Southerns are considered friendly and all around good people.

Err, no.

i read a quote somewhere where a british group in WW2 got saved by a American one.

the conversation went something like this

Brits: I never expected to be saved by a yank!
XO: you still havent- youve been saved by a southern gentleman.

unlike the north, we instil family values of respect. i doubt youve been down south and actually met people.

[Amacia]

Plus southern slavery was a minority institution. Only about one in five southerners owned slaves. And slaves if they worked beyond their quotas were often paid for the extra work, although this was entirely up to the owners. Many slaves purchased their freedom. Also slave conditions of the day were much better than your average freedman in the north as he had no one to provide for him and was paid next to nothing for any work. Now do not confuse this, I am NOT defending the institution. It was a moral stain on southern life by regarding human life as property. But the true nature of slavery should be understood. Most owners did not ruthlessly beat their slaves, they were an important investment and were worth around $400 dollars. That was expensive as hell back then. You would not take a sledge hammer to your new truck would you? And yes there are cases of brutal owners but they were a minority in a minority. And get this there were even Black Slave Owners in Louisiana!

Here's your problem, right here and joking about Europe made the connection for me. Because when the Southern Pride people start going on about the South instead of owning that piece of history, they rationalize it. "It would have ended anyway...North did it too!...Our negroes were happy!..." When I went to Germany I had heard jokes about how Germany tries to pretend that the first half of the 20th Century never happened. What I found instead was a country that wore that shit on their sleeve. "Welcome to Germany. In the 20th Century we did some horrible, horrible things. This is how, this is what. It was a tragedy." They don't try to convince you that their Jews were happier Jews, that other countries were complacent about the Nazis, that World War II was actually about some vague noble purpose and only 'kind of' about the Jews. Instead they say, "We did horrible things as a nation. As current members of that nation, some of us who have relatives who were active participants, we are sorry for that and can do no better than to be a better people now and acknowledge the sins of those who came before us."

By way of comparison.

*sniff*
As an American of German descent (before WWII) this is absolutely beautiful.

[Farnhamia]

Indeed. We may see DOMA challenged in the courts, I don't know. The Constitution requires full faith and credit. What Congress said was, "Yeah, well, not in this case," and that just seems ... oh, what's the word? ... unconstitutional.

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

It doesn't have to be mention explicitly. The 14th Amendment says, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

I am a citizen. I am gay. In North Carolina, to follow our example, the privilege of getting married has been abridged by a law that specifically bans my marrying a person of the same sex as me. You are a citizen. You are not gay. You can marry the person you want. Your privilege is not abridged.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

North Carolina has a statue banning same-sex marriage, so your aunt's marriage in New York is effectively null and void in her home state.

Of course they do.

Which means they have to recognize that a valid marriage in New York is in fact a valid marriage in New York.

Which, of course, is not the same as having to recognize that a valid marriage in New York is a valid marriage in North Carolina.

do they not have to give full faith and credence to it?

[The Aryan Nations]

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

states must give full faith and credit to laws and acts from other states. In theory a marriage licence from san francisco ought to be upheld in alabama.

ah, yes. i accept this as true, mostly on part of the Extradition clause. i disapprove if they are not receiving the benefits of marriage in North Carolina.

[Gun Owners]

your problem, not mine

You really don't see a problem with advocating the lynching of black people, and calling people "gay internet fags"?

If you don't then it's really your problem as, guess what, there's no place for you in civilised society.

damn how far back into this thread did you go to dig THAT up? Im very civilized, your just a south hating douche

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

do they not have to give full faith and credence to it?

Nope. The Defense of Marriage Act relieves them of that obligation: "No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

Well, it doesn't relieve them of that obligation because they never had that obligation in the first place. See above.

[Farnhamia]

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

states must give full faith and credit to laws and acts from other states. In theory a marriage licence from san francisco ought to be upheld in alabama.

And, indeed, they are. Mostly. If you aren't gay.

[Des-Bal]

i read a quote somewhere where a british group in WW2 got saved by a American one.

the conversation went something like this

Brits: I never expected to be saved by a yank!
XO: you still havent- youve been saved by a southern gentleman.

unlike the north, we instil family values of respect. i doubt youve been down south and actually met people.

"family values" meaning keep a reasonable distance from fags and darkies.

I've lived in the south most of my live and can quite comfortably say it is an awful place filled with awful people.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

doesn't seem much point on harping on about the north-south divide when the've both ganged up to oppress gay people. be united by your shared values I say.

Indeed. We may see DOMA challenged in the courts, I don't know. The Constitution requires full faith and credit.

Which means something other than what you seem to think it means.

What Congress said was, "Yeah, well, not in this case," and that just seems ... oh, what's the word? ... unconstitutional.

That's not what they did, actually.

I mean, the DOMA is wrong--and, frankly, unconstitutional--for many reasons, but FF&C isn't one of them.

[The Aryan Nations]

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

It doesn't have to be mention explicitly. The 14th Amendment says, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

I am a citizen. I am gay. In North Carolina, to follow our example, the privilege of getting married has been abridged by a law that specifically bans my marrying a person of the same sex as me. You are a citizen. You are not gay. You can marry the person you want. Your privilege is not abridged.

but the state does recognize the marriage. in New York. the whole point is that they cannot get gay married on THEIR (north carolina) turf. from my understanding, they receive all the federal marriage benefits, and thus there is no crime other than them having to go to new york to get married and having to deal with the TSA nazis

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

You're thinking of a negationist.

A revisionist is someone engaged in the perfectly legitimate academic process of revising our interpretations of the past based on new evidence, reappraisals of existing evidence in light of alternative interpretive paradigms, or reconsideration of the reasoning behind the existing interpretations.

the same people who proved that 8 million people (original count) didnt die at auschwitz and were called neo nazis for it.

To be revisionism, it has to be legitimate scholarly inquiry.

The people you mention engaged in no such process.

[The North Californian Bank]

The South has a few religious extremists, therefore we should judge the South and assume that every single Southerner is a Bible-thumping, KKK, religious extremist. It's because us Northerners are so tolerant and civilized. I hate Southern politics, therefore, I am justified to say I hate the Southern people. It is not racist at all! I am not being a hypocrite!!

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?

states must give full faith and credit to laws and acts from other states. In theory a marriage licence from san francisco ought to be upheld in alabama.

Again, not what it means--see above.

[The Aryan Nations]

i read a quote somewhere where a british group in WW2 got saved by a American one.

the conversation went something like this

Brits: I never expected to be saved by a yank!
XO: you still havent- youve been saved by a southern gentleman.

unlike the north, we instil family values of respect. i doubt youve been down south and actually met people.

"family values" meaning keep a reasonable distance from fags and darkies.

I've lived in the south most of my live and can quite comfortably say it is an awful place filled with awful people.

yet again, you strawman.

"family values" meaning judge a man by his actions not by his skin. i expect you probably lived in Appalachia? we arent ALL like that, just like all northerners arent gay hippies with gun control laws.

[Amacia]

Here's your problem, right here and joking about Europe made the connection for me. Because when the Southern Pride people start going on about the South instead of owning that piece of history, they rationalize it. "It would have ended anyway...North did it too!...Our negroes were happy!..." When I went to Germany I had heard jokes about how Germany tries to pretend that the first half of the 20th Century never happened. What I found instead was a country that wore that shit on their sleeve. "Welcome to Germany. In the 20th Century we did some horrible, horrible things. This is how, this is what. It was a tragedy." They don't try to convince you that their Jews were happier Jews, that other countries were complacent about the Nazis, that World War II was actually about some vague noble purpose and only 'kind of' about the Jews. Instead they say, "We did horrible things as a nation. As current members of that nation, some of us who have relatives who were active participants, we are sorry for that and can do no better than to be a better people now and acknowledge the sins of those who came before us."

By way of comparison.

fwiw, as an american jew of german decent, (some of the family made it here, some did not).

The german's are the only one's who get the complete and total monstrosity of the holocaust. I do not believe anyone else on the planet including the jews today do.

Just curious, why do you think many Jewish people don't get the Holocaust?

[The North Californian Bank]

i read a quote somewhere where a british group in WW2 got saved by a American one.

the conversation went something like this

Brits: I never expected to be saved by a yank!
XO: you still havent- youve been saved by a southern gentleman.

unlike the north, we instil family values of respect. i doubt youve been down south and actually met people.

"family values" meaning keep a reasonable distance from fags and darkies.

I've lived in the south most of my live and can quite comfortably say it is an awful place filled with awful people.

That isn't racist at all. Southern people have no feelings. They deserve to be insulted.

[Farnhamia]

Nope. The Defense of Marriage Act relieves them of that obligation: "No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

Well, it doesn't relieve them of that obligation because they never had that obligation in the first place. See above.

Straight people are not required to get married again if they move from one state to another. Similarly, if you drive from Pennsylvania to Illinois with a Pennsylvania driver's license, you don't have to stop in Ohio and Indiana to get licenses there. If you take up residence in those other states, yes, you do. I'm sure I've missed something subtle yet brilliant in your thought, though.