Why South Hate?

[Markinian Skrill]

I'm Southern, White, Atheist, Secularist and Libertarian. GOML stereotypes.

Prettymuch, besides the atheism part

[The Aryan Nations]

>despotic government
depends on who you ask

>in defense of the south, they attack the north
why is it that, in defense of Pearl harbor, america attacked japan?

For the love of Vishnya, cool it on the weak historical comparisons. Pearl Habor was kamikaze-ed by a hostile nation who we already had taken aggressive action with. It was one step in a massive chain of events culminating in our entry into the second World War.

On the other hand, this topic is an isolated analysis of why people rip on the South. It is not a war. It is a discussion. And your perceived flaws with the North are not part of it. No matter how much you attack that particular area, it is only going to further hurt your cause of defending the lovely area below the Mason-Dixon line.

And, by the way, my point is that the USSR is a political entity. The North is a combination of many socio/geographic regions, including the Rust Belt, the Midwest, and New England.

>weak historical comparisons
ever hear of the march to the sea? im pretty sure that burning civilian farms is a no-no.

>lovely area below the mason dixon
you mean like how you doing the exact same thing makes northerners look like arrogant pricks?

>USSR is a political entity
true
>combination of many socio/geographic
not the north we are talking of. Great lakes and New England. basically the same culture, slightly different geography.

the point still stands- just because i am not loyal to the Federal government does not make me any less patriotic to my local government, in which my vote actually makes a difference.

[Hittanryan]

That has what to do with what I said? Besides, the South is a federal tax sinkhole. Most of them receive more in federal aid than what they pay in federal taxes.

"Yeah, well, you don't know how to have sex."

"BUT I HAVE A BIG PENIS! SO IT DOESN'T MATTER!"

Also notice how California is higher. And how New York is basically in a dead heat. And how blue/swing states make up most of the top half of the list.

So, no, the South isn't "oppressing anyone with its GDP," because it's lower on average than the rest of the country.

[The UK in Exile]

lol, as if stuff could grow in scotland.

Pfft, I don't understand British stereotypes. I probably should've said France or something.

its grown by a man called sainsbury's

[The Aryan Nations]

the south is the area least hit by the recession in america.

You Sure?

When the unemployment rate rose in most states last month, it underscored the extent to which the deep recession, the anemic recovery and the lingering crisis of joblessness are beginning to reshape the nation’s economic map.

The once-booming South, which entered the recession with the lowest unemployment rate in the nation, is now struggling with some of the highest rates, recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show.

Several Southern states — including South Carolina, whose 11.1 percent unemployment rate is the fourth highest in the nation — have higher unemployment rates than they did a year ago. Unemployment in the South is now higher than it is in the Northeast and the Midwest, which include Rust Belt states that were struggling even before the recession.

For decades, the nation’s economic landscape consisted of a prospering Sun Belt and a struggling Rust Belt. Since the recession hit, though, that is no longer the case. Unemployment remains high across much of the country — the national rate is 9.1 percent — but the regions have recovered at different speeds.

Now, with the concentration of the highest unemployment rates in the South and the West, some economists wonder if it is an anomaly of the uneven recovery or a harbinger of things to come.

“Because the recovery is so painfully slow, people may begin to think of the trends established during the recovery as normal,” said Howard Wial, a fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Metropolitan Policy Program who recently co-wrote an economic analysis of the nation’s 100 largest metropolitan areas. “Will people think of Florida, California, Nevada and Arizona as more or less permanently depressed? Think of the Great Lakes as being a renaissance region? I don’t know. It’s possible.”

The West has the highest unemployment in the nation. The collapse of the housing bubble left Nevada with the highest jobless rate, 13.4 percent, followed by California with 12.1 percent. Michigan has the third-highest rate, 11.2 percent, as a result of the longstanding woes of the American auto industry.

Now, though, of the states with the 10 highest unemployment rates, six are in the South. The region, which relied heavily on manufacturing and construction, was hit hard by the downturn.

Economists offer a variety of explanations for the South’s performance. “For a long time we tended to outpace the national average with regard to economic performance, and a lot of that was driven by, for lack of a better word, development and in-migration,” said Michael Chriszt, an assistant vice president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s research department. “That came to an abrupt halt, and it has not picked up.”

The long cycle of “lose jobs, gain jobs, lose jobs” that kept Georgia’s unemployment rate at 10.2 percent in August — the same as it was a year earlier — is illustrated by Union City, a small city on the outskirts of Atlanta.

It suffered a blow when the last store in its darkened mall, Sears, announced that it would soon close. But the city had other irons in the fire: a few big companies were hiring, and earlier this year Dendreon, a biotech company that makes a cancer drug, opened a plant there, lured in part by state and local subsidies.

Then, this month, Dendreon said it would lay off more than 100 workers at the new plant as part of a national “restructuring.”

Union City, with a population of 20,000, now calls itself the place “Where Business Meets the World” and has been trying to lure companies by pointing out its low business taxes, various incentive programs and proximity to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

Steve Rapson, the city manager, said that the challenge there, as in much of America, has been to get employers to hire again. “It’s hard to get your mind around what can you do as a city to encourage future jobs and jobs growth,” he said.

The reordering of the nation’s economic fortunes can be seen in the Brookings analysis, which found that many auto-producing metropolitan areas in the Great Lakes states are seeing modest gains in manufacturing that are helping them recover from their deep slump, while Sun Belt and Western states with sharp drops in home values are still suffering. The areas that have been hurt the least since the recession, the study said, rely on government, education or energy production. Places that were less buoyed by the housing bubble were less harmed when it burst.

In Pennsylvania, the analysis found, the Pittsburgh area — which is heavily reliant on education and health care — is weathering the downturn better than the Philadelphia area. In New York, areas around long-struggling upstate cities like Buffalo and Rochester are recovering faster by some measures than the New York City metropolitan area. And the rate of recovery in Rust Belt areas around Youngstown and Akron, two Ohio cities that were hit hard, has outpaced that of former boomtowns like Colorado Springs and Tucson.

In a sign of how severe the downturn has been, the Brookings analysis found that only 16 of the nation’s 100 largest metropolitan areas have regained more than half of the jobs they lost during the recession.

The toll on the nation’s millions of unemployed people has been harsh, with the Census Bureau reporting that the United States had more people living in poverty last year than in any year since it began keeping records half a century ago.

Joblessness is taking a toll on states, too. This month, 27 states will have to pay $1.2 billion to the federal government in interest on the $37.5 billion that they borrowed in recent years to keep paying unemployment benefits.

What is most striking about the high unemployment rates, several economists said in interviews, is how they continue to afflict wide parts of the country.

“It just seems to be so pervasive across the country — except for the breadbasket area — that it’s hard to pick out anybody who is bouncing back,” said Randall W. Eberts, the president of the W. E. Upjohn Institute for Employment Research in Michigan.

Dr. Eberts pointed to another feature of the downturn: people are much less likely to leave their jobs voluntarily. Before the recession, he said, about three million people voluntarily left their jobs each month. Now, around two million people do — leaving fewer openings for job seekers.

So what happened in South Carolina? Richard Kaglic, a regional economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, Va., said the state’s lingering troubles reflect what happened when its construction and manufacturing industries were hit hard by the recession. Mr. Kaglic, who is also a pilot, used an aviation metaphor to explain what he meant.

“If your nose is high, if you’re climbing faster and your engine cuts out, you fall farther and it takes you a longer time to recover,” he said. “The conditions we experienced in late 2008, 2009, are as close as you come to an engine-out situation in the economy.”

But Mr. Kaglic said that the recent return of manufacturing jobs was giving him hope, and that one reason for the high unemployment rate was that more people were now seeking work.

“I would look at it as our dreams are delayed,” he said, “rather than our dreams being denied.”

sorry, i accept incorrect information on this point. i should have qualified that Texas was least hit (relatively)

[The Aryan Nations]

"Yeah, well, you don't know how to have sex."

"BUT I HAVE A BIG PENIS! SO IT DOESN'T MATTER!"

Also notice how California is higher. And how New York is basically in a dead heat. And how blue/swing states make up most of the top half of the list.

So, no, the South isn't "oppressing anyone with its GDP," because it's lower on average than the rest of the country.

except for, you know, that the top 25 includes most all of the southern states

[Cromarty]

Yes.

your problem, not mine

You really don't see a problem with advocating the lynching of black people, and calling people "gay internet fags"?

If you don't then it's really your problem as, guess what, there's no place for you in civilised society.

Remember who grows your food, then talk.

Everywhere?

[Farnhamia]

The refusal to recognize the rights of the homosexual in the American south comes to mind.

lolno

My aunt is lesbian, and lives in North Carolina. She married her longtime partner, who I consider just as much of a relative as any, in New York; and they've NEVER had any trouble whatsoever. So yeah, Cean, I want a source.

North Carolina has a statute banning same-sex marriage, so your aunt's marriage in New York is effectively null and void in her home state.

Section 51-1.2. Marriages between persons of the same gender not valid.
Marriages, whether created by common law, contracted, or performed outside of North Carolina, between individuals of the same gender are not valid in North Carolina.

[Tmutarakhan]

you do realize the american economy is built on the south, right? with the southern states leaving, so does a rather large chunk of the states that actually produce

The South is a net drain on the rest of the country.

Texas is the 2nd largest economy in the nation

In terms of raw size, of course. Per person, it is below average.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

For the love of Vishnya, cool it on the weak historical comparisons. Pearl Habor was kamikaze-ed by a hostile nation who we already had taken aggressive action with. It was one step in a massive chain of events culminating in our entry into the second World War.

On the other hand, this topic is an isolated analysis of why people rip on the South. It is not a war. It is a discussion. And your perceived flaws with the North are not part of it. No matter how much you attack that particular area, it is only going to further hurt your cause of defending the lovely area below the Mason-Dixon line.

And, by the way, my point is that the USSR is a political entity. The North is a combination of many socio/geographic regions, including the Rust Belt, the Midwest, and New England.

>weak historical comparisons
ever hear of the march to the sea? im pretty sure that burning civilian farms is a no-no.

>lovely area below the mason dixon
you mean like how you doing the exact same thing makes northerners look like arrogant pricks?

>USSR is a political entity
true
>combination of many socio/geographic
not the north we are talking of. Great lakes and New England. basically the same culture, slightly different geography.

the point still stands- just because i am not loyal to the Federal government does not make me any less patriotic to my local government, in which my vote actually makes a difference.

Thank you for proving my ultimate point, that you are only capable of attacking what you dislike, not defending what you think you appreciate.

"Simon insulted the South? I should bring up the March to the Sea. A single event that was run by a Northerner 150 years ago. That'll show him."
And, by the way, I live pretty close to where Sherman grew up. Which is not in the Great lakes/New England region - your definition of the North. It is deep in the Rust Belts of Ohio.
That being said, you bring up the Great Lakes region. Drive to Detroit, then to Cambridge. Tell me those are the same culture.

[Norstal]

lolno

My aunt is lesbian, and lives in North Carolina. She married her longtime partner, who I consider just as much of a relative as any, in New York; and they've NEVER had any trouble whatsoever. So yeah, Cean, I want a source.

North Carolina has a statue banning same-sex marriage, so your aunt's marriage in New York is effectively null and void in her home state.

Section 51-1.2. Marriages between persons of the same gender not valid.
Marriages, whether created by common law, contracted, or performed outside of North Carolina, between individuals of the same gender are not valid in North Carolina.

They have a statue that does that!?

[Farnhamia]

North Carolina has a statue banning same-sex marriage, so your aunt's marriage in New York is effectively null and void in her home state.

They have a statue that does that!?

[Andropolania]

Eh... I like the south, mainly because my family is from West Virginia. People need to realize that southerners, although slightly racist, aren't really any more racist than the rest of us. They just get put on the spot because of their past. If you'd have heard some of the jokes I've heard about black people... you'd accuse the north of being racist!

Only thing I don't agree with is the whole "super-christian" thing they got going on down there. I'm a proud Atheist (Though not an ignorant one), and I have a somewhat biased view against religion of any sort. But it should be easy to just put that all past us, as long as we don't get into a discussion over whether abortion should be legal or not

[The UK in Exile]

lolno

My aunt is lesbian, and lives in North Carolina. She married her longtime partner, who I consider just as much of a relative as any, in New York; and they've NEVER had any trouble whatsoever. So yeah, Cean, I want a source.

North Carolina has a statue banning same-sex marriage, so your aunt's marriage in New York is effectively null and void in her home state.

Section 51-1.2. Marriages between persons of the same gender not valid.
Marriages, whether created by common law, contracted, or performed outside of North Carolina, between individuals of the same gender are not valid in North Carolina.

do they not have to give full faith and credence to it?

[Hittanryan]

Also notice how California is higher. And how New York is basically in a dead heat. And how blue/swing states make up most of the top half of the list.

So, no, the South isn't "oppressing anyone with its GDP," because it's lower on average than the rest of the country.

except for, you know, that the top 20 includes most all of the southern states

1 California
2 Texas
3 New York
4 Florida
5 Illinois
6 Pennsylvania
7 New Jersey
8 Ohio
9 Virginia
10 North Carolina
11 Georgia
12 Massachusetts
13 Michigan
14 Washington
15 Maryland
16 Indiana
17 Minnesota
18 Arizona
19 Colorado
20 Wisconsin

I see Texas, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. That's 5 out of 20. You sure about that?

EDIT: And even with your little edit, the southern states between 21-25 are amongst the lowest GDP per capita in the country.

[Farnhamia]

North Carolina has a statue banning same-sex marriage, so your aunt's marriage in New York is effectively null and void in her home state.

do they not have to give full faith and credence to it?

Nope. The Defense of Marriage Act relieves them of that obligation: "No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

[Norstal]

They have a statue that does that!?

Eh... I like the south, mainly because my family is from West Virginia. People need to realize that southerners, although slightly racist, aren't really any more racist than the rest of us. They just get put on the spot because of their past. If you'd have heard some of the jokes I've heard about black people... you'd accuse the north of being racist!
Only thing I don't agree with is the whole "super-christian" thing they got going on down there. I'm a proud Atheist (Though not an ignorant one), and I have a somewhat biased view against religion of any sort. But it should be easy to just put that all past us, as long as we don't get into a discussion over whether abortion should be legal or not

Yes everyone is racist. We get it. I also don't hate Southerners. I, and I think many others who says they hate Southerners, dislike Southern Nationalists. Especially those who dismiss slavery and picture it as better than what it seems to be.

[The Aryan Nations]

>weak historical comparisons
ever hear of the march to the sea? im pretty sure that burning civilian farms is a no-no.

>lovely area below the mason dixon
you mean like how you doing the exact same thing makes northerners look like arrogant pricks?

>USSR is a political entity
true
>combination of many socio/geographic
not the north we are talking of. Great lakes and New England. basically the same culture, slightly different geography.

the point still stands- just because i am not loyal to the Federal government does not make me any less patriotic to my local government, in which my vote actually makes a difference.

Thank you for proving my ultimate point, that you are only capable of attacking what you dislike, not defending what you think you appreciate.

"Simon insulted the South? I should bring up the March to the Sea. A single event that was run by a Northerner 150 years ago. That'll show him."
And, by the way, I live pretty close to where Sherman grew up. Which is not in the Great lakes/New England region - your definition of the North. It is deep in the Rust Belts of Ohio.
That being said, you bring up the Great Lakes region. Drive to Detroit, then to Cambridge. Tell me those are the same culture.

>you make a valid point by changing your historical allusion to include this context of the conversation
>thank you for proving my point!
again, please never change

>Detroit and cambridge
compare ethnic breakdowns and immigrant populations and we will talk. comparing college towns to actual cities (assuming you meant massachussets) is like comparing a apple to the actual tree

>OHIO IS RUST BELT!
i classify Ohio as lakes. i accept that this may not be your definition.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Revisionist? What the heck is that?

Someone who spreads lies about history.

You're thinking of a negationist.

A revisionist is someone engaged in the perfectly legitimate academic process of revising our interpretations of the past based on new evidence, reappraisals of existing evidence in light of alternative interpretive paradigms, or reconsideration of the reasoning behind the existing interpretations.

[Andropolania]

Thank you for proving my ultimate point, that you are only capable of attacking what you dislike, not defending what you think you appreciate.

"Simon insulted the South? I should bring up the March to the Sea. A single event that was run by a Northerner 150 years ago. That'll show him."
And, by the way, I live pretty close to where Sherman grew up. Which is not in the Great lakes/New England region - your definition of the North. It is deep in the Rust Belts of Ohio.
That being said, you bring up the Great Lakes region. Drive to Detroit, then to Cambridge. Tell me those are the same culture.

>you make a valid point by changing your historical allusion to include this context of the conversation
>thank you for proving my point!
again, please never change

>Detroit and cambridge
compare ethnic breakdowns and immigrant populations and we will talk. comparing college towns to actual cities (assuming you meant massachussets) is like comparing a apple to the actual tree

>OHIO IS RUST BELT!
i classify Ohio as lakes. i accept that this may not be your definition.

I live in Ohio, and we are more Northern than southern. Just sayin', not that you asked me or anything...

[The UK in Exile]

do they not have to give full faith and credence to it?

Nope. The Defense of Marriage Act relieves them of that obligation: "No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

doesn't seem much point on harping on about the north-south divide when the've both ganged up to oppress gay people. be united by your shared values I say.

[The Aryan Nations]

except for, you know, that the top 20 includes most all of the southern states

1 California
2 Texas
3 New York
4 Florida
5 Illinois
6 Pennsylvania
7 New Jersey
8 Ohio
9 Virginia
10 North Carolina
11 Georgia
12 Massachusetts
13 Michigan
14 Washington
15 Maryland
16 Indiana
17 Minnesota
18 Arizona
19 Colorado
20 Wisconsin

I see Texas, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. That's 5 out of 20. You sure about that?

Edited to 25, you will see.

which includes tennessee, louisiana, alabama, and missouri (which is an arguable one, i will give you that)

and i was referring to the original 11. which brings the fraction up to...

7/11, or 63%.

[Danbershan]

1 California
2 Texas
3 New York
4 Florida
5 Illinois
6 Pennsylvania
7 New Jersey
8 Ohio
9 Virginia
10 North Carolina
11 Georgia
12 Massachusetts
13 Michigan
14 Washington
15 Maryland
16 Indiana
17 Minnesota
18 Arizona
19 Colorado
20 Wisconsin

I see Texas, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. That's 5 out of 20. You sure about that?

Edited to 25, you will see.

which includes tennessee, louisiana, alabama, and missouri (which is an arguable one, i will give you that)

and i was referring to the original 11. which brings the fraction up to...

7/11, or 63%.

This post made my brain hurt... :L

[Hittanryan]

Edited to 25, you will see.

which includes tennessee, louisiana, alabama, and missouri (which is an arguable one, i will give you that)

and i was referring to the original 11. which brings the fraction up to...

7/11, or 63%.

You didn't clarify, so this is what's known as moving the goalposts.

[The Aryan Nations]

Nope. The Defense of Marriage Act relieves them of that obligation: "No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

doesn't seem much point on harping on about the north-south divide when the've both ganged up to oppress gay people. be united by your shared values I say.

>not recognizing gay marriage
>oppressive
youre kidding.