Why South Hate?

[The Aryan Nations]

assuming the year is 1977.

Then they're a Russian Nationalist. Not a patriot.

I don't chide Southern Nationalists for being Southern Nationalists. I chide them when they claim to be patriotic to an entity they never support.

you seem to forget that the state governments exist. you can be a patriotic texan, but not a patriotic american.

[The UK in Exile]

Then they're a Russian Nationalist. Not a patriot.

I don't chide Southern Nationalists for being Southern Nationalists. I chide them when they claim to be patriotic to an entity they never support.

you seem to forget that the state governments exist. you can be a patriotic texan, but not a patriotic american.

I'm sure Sam Houston would disagree.

[The Aryan Nations]

you seem to forget that the state governments exist. you can be a patriotic texan, but not a patriotic american.

I'm sure Sam Houston would disagree.

you mean one of the founders of the republic of Texas, then an independent nation, would disagree with being patriotic to said nation, and its later state?

[Gun Owners]

Is there a problem with that?

Yes.

your problem, not mine. Remember who grows your food, then talk.

[Hittanryan]

The South's job growth, especially Texas, is based on undercutting other states.

"you should intentionally do worse, because you doing better is drawing all the skilled labor!"

oh liberals, please never change...

Please, you asserted that the South was a global economic power, when it's basically just capitalizing on being part of a larger whole. Without the rest of the country, Texas would have to educate its own people, pay for its own hurricane relief, and run its own environment and ultimately economy into the ground through over-reliance on oil.

Yes.

your problem, not mine. Remember who grows your food, then talk.

California.

[Norstal]

Then they're a Russian Nationalist. Not a patriot.

I don't chide Southern Nationalists for being Southern Nationalists. I chide them when they claim to be patriotic to an entity they never support.

you seem to forget that the state governments exist. you can be a patriotic texan, but not a patriotic american.

Except Texas is part of the union. So, no.

[TomKirk]

Which is neither here nor there in relation to the current climate of the north and south.

My point is that no matter how bigoted or whatever you want to call it, a region is, they inevitably develop. So we can forgive the north for being Puritan becuase it moved on, we can forgive the south for being fire and brimstone antigay becuase we know they'll move on.

Do we know any such thing? Maybe after the south has moved on we can start talking about it.

[Norstal]

Yes.

your problem, not mine. Remember who grows your food, then talk.

Remember who subsidizes your agricultural businesses.

Also, Cromarty is British, so it's the Scots.

[Hittanryan]

Because, and this may come as a shock, the North is a heterogenous geographic region, not a despotic form of government.

Why is it that, in defense of the South, all the Southerners can do is attack the north?

>despotic government
depends on who you ask

>in defense of the south, they attack the north
why is it that, in defense of Pearl harbor, america attacked japan?

Slavery is freedom, bad is good, up is down, north is south...

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

Because, and this may come as a shock, the North is a heterogenous geographic region, not a despotic form of government.

Why is it that, in defense of the South, all the Southerners can do is attack the north?

>despotic government
depends on who you ask

>in defense of the south, they attack the north
why is it that, in defense of Pearl harbor, america attacked japan?

For the love of Vishnya, cool it on the weak historical comparisons. Pearl Habor was kamikaze-ed by a hostile nation who we already had taken aggressive action with. It was one step in a massive chain of events culminating in our entry into the second World War.

On the other hand, this topic is an isolated analysis of why people rip on the South. It is not a war. It is a discussion. And your perceived flaws with the North are not part of it. No matter how much you attack that particular area, it is only going to further hurt your cause of defending the lovely area below the Mason-Dixon line.

And, by the way, my point is that the USSR is a political entity. The North is a combination of many socio/geographic regions, including the Rust Belt, the Midwest, and New England.

[The Aryan Nations]

"you should intentionally do worse, because you doing better is drawing all the skilled labor!"

oh liberals, please never change...

Please, you asserted that the South was a global economic power, when it's basically just capitalizing on being part of a larger whole. Without the rest of the country, Texas would have to educate its own people, pay for its own hurricane relief, and run its own environment and ultimately economy into the ground through over-reliance on oil.

your problem, not mine. Remember who grows your food, then talk.

California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP

>number 2: Texas
>Number 4: Florida
>Number 9: Virginia
>Number 10: North Carolina
>number 11: Georgia
>Number 21: Tennessee

oh, we so oppressing you with our GDPs! we will intentionally cut down our exports because it hurts poor little states that make business unprofitable through rampant liberal policy and massive taxes!

[Jefferson and Paul]

I'm Southern, White, Atheist, Secularist and Libertarian. GOML stereotypes.

[Des-Bal]

your problem, not mine. Remember who grows your food, then talk.

Undocumented mexicans?

[Norstal]

Please, you asserted that the South was a global economic power, when it's basically just capitalizing on being part of a larger whole. Without the rest of the country, Texas would have to educate its own people, pay for its own hurricane relief, and run its own environment and ultimately economy into the ground through over-reliance on oil.


California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP

>number 2: Texas
>Number 4: Florida
>Number 9: Virginia
>Number 10: North Carolina
>number 11: Georgia
>Number 21: Tennessee

oh, we so oppressing you with our GDPs! we will intentionally cut down our exports because it hurts poor little states that make business unprofitable through rampant liberal policy and massive taxes!

Christ.

The point: ---> o






You: --> o

The poster said that Texas is over-reliant on oil. Not that its GDP was higher than most other states, which the poster acknowledges (unless they're hallucinating).

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

I'm sure Sam Houston would disagree.

you mean one of the founders of the republic of Texas, then an independent nation, would disagree with being patriotic to said nation, and its later state?

Houston was a major supporter of integrating Texas into the US. In fact, he refused to support the shift to the Confederacy and was thrown out of office in Texas, proving with whom his ultimate loyalty lay.

[Hittanryan]

Please, you asserted that the South was a global economic power, when it's basically just capitalizing on being part of a larger whole. Without the rest of the country, Texas would have to educate its own people, pay for its own hurricane relief, and run its own environment and ultimately economy into the ground through over-reliance on oil.


California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP

>number 2: Texas
>Number 4: Florida
>Number 9: Virginia
>Number 10: North Carolina
>number 11: Georgia
>Number 21: Tennessee

oh, we so oppressing you with our GDPs! we will intentionally cut down our exports because it hurts poor little states that make business unprofitable through rampant liberal policy and massive taxes!

That has what to do with what I said? Besides, the South is a federal tax sinkhole. Most of them receive more in federal aid than what they pay in federal taxes.

[The UK in Exile]

I'm sure Sam Houston would disagree.

you mean one of the founders of the republic of Texas, then an independent nation, would disagree with being patriotic to said nation, and its later state?

the man who brought it into the union and was impeached over his opposition to secession?

yeah.

[Neo Arcad]

Please give me an example of "systematic oppression" in the South. From my years of living in South Carolina, I can tell you that we are quite open-minded people.

The refusal to recognize the rights of the homosexual in the American south comes to mind.

lolno

My aunt is lesbian, and lives in North Carolina. She married her longtime partner, who I consider just as much of a relative as any, in New York; and they've NEVER had any trouble whatsoever. So yeah, Cean, I want a source.

[Norstal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP

>number 2: Texas
>Number 4: Florida
>Number 9: Virginia
>Number 10: North Carolina
>number 11: Georgia
>Number 21: Tennessee

oh, we so oppressing you with our GDPs! we will intentionally cut down our exports because it hurts poor little states that make business unprofitable through rampant liberal policy and massive taxes!

That has what to do with what I said? Besides, the South is a federal tax sinkhole. Most of them receive more in federal aid than what they pay in federal taxes.

"Yeah, well, you don't know how to have sex."

"BUT I HAVE A BIG PENIS! SO IT DOESN'T MATTER!"

[The UK in Exile]

your problem, not mine. Remember who grows your food, then talk.

Remember who subsidizes your agricultural businesses.

Also, Cromarty is British, so it's the Scots.

lol, as if stuff could grow in scotland.

[Cromarty]

the south is the area least hit by the recession in america.

You Sure?

When the unemployment rate rose in most states last month, it underscored the extent to which the deep recession, the anemic recovery and the lingering crisis of joblessness are beginning to reshape the nation’s economic map.

The once-booming South, which entered the recession with the lowest unemployment rate in the nation, is now struggling with some of the highest rates, recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show.

Several Southern states — including South Carolina, whose 11.1 percent unemployment rate is the fourth highest in the nation — have higher unemployment rates than they did a year ago. Unemployment in the South is now higher than it is in the Northeast and the Midwest, which include Rust Belt states that were struggling even before the recession.

For decades, the nation’s economic landscape consisted of a prospering Sun Belt and a struggling Rust Belt. Since the recession hit, though, that is no longer the case. Unemployment remains high across much of the country — the national rate is 9.1 percent — but the regions have recovered at different speeds.

Now, with the concentration of the highest unemployment rates in the South and the West, some economists wonder if it is an anomaly of the uneven recovery or a harbinger of things to come.

“Because the recovery is so painfully slow, people may begin to think of the trends established during the recovery as normal,” said Howard Wial, a fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Metropolitan Policy Program who recently co-wrote an economic analysis of the nation’s 100 largest metropolitan areas. “Will people think of Florida, California, Nevada and Arizona as more or less permanently depressed? Think of the Great Lakes as being a renaissance region? I don’t know. It’s possible.”

The West has the highest unemployment in the nation. The collapse of the housing bubble left Nevada with the highest jobless rate, 13.4 percent, followed by California with 12.1 percent. Michigan has the third-highest rate, 11.2 percent, as a result of the longstanding woes of the American auto industry.

Now, though, of the states with the 10 highest unemployment rates, six are in the South. The region, which relied heavily on manufacturing and construction, was hit hard by the downturn.

Economists offer a variety of explanations for the South’s performance. “For a long time we tended to outpace the national average with regard to economic performance, and a lot of that was driven by, for lack of a better word, development and in-migration,” said Michael Chriszt, an assistant vice president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s research department. “That came to an abrupt halt, and it has not picked up.”

The long cycle of “lose jobs, gain jobs, lose jobs” that kept Georgia’s unemployment rate at 10.2 percent in August — the same as it was a year earlier — is illustrated by Union City, a small city on the outskirts of Atlanta.

It suffered a blow when the last store in its darkened mall, Sears, announced that it would soon close. But the city had other irons in the fire: a few big companies were hiring, and earlier this year Dendreon, a biotech company that makes a cancer drug, opened a plant there, lured in part by state and local subsidies.

Then, this month, Dendreon said it would lay off more than 100 workers at the new plant as part of a national “restructuring.”

Union City, with a population of 20,000, now calls itself the place “Where Business Meets the World” and has been trying to lure companies by pointing out its low business taxes, various incentive programs and proximity to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

Steve Rapson, the city manager, said that the challenge there, as in much of America, has been to get employers to hire again. “It’s hard to get your mind around what can you do as a city to encourage future jobs and jobs growth,” he said.

The reordering of the nation’s economic fortunes can be seen in the Brookings analysis, which found that many auto-producing metropolitan areas in the Great Lakes states are seeing modest gains in manufacturing that are helping them recover from their deep slump, while Sun Belt and Western states with sharp drops in home values are still suffering. The areas that have been hurt the least since the recession, the study said, rely on government, education or energy production. Places that were less buoyed by the housing bubble were less harmed when it burst.

In Pennsylvania, the analysis found, the Pittsburgh area — which is heavily reliant on education and health care — is weathering the downturn better than the Philadelphia area. In New York, areas around long-struggling upstate cities like Buffalo and Rochester are recovering faster by some measures than the New York City metropolitan area. And the rate of recovery in Rust Belt areas around Youngstown and Akron, two Ohio cities that were hit hard, has outpaced that of former boomtowns like Colorado Springs and Tucson.

In a sign of how severe the downturn has been, the Brookings analysis found that only 16 of the nation’s 100 largest metropolitan areas have regained more than half of the jobs they lost during the recession.

The toll on the nation’s millions of unemployed people has been harsh, with the Census Bureau reporting that the United States had more people living in poverty last year than in any year since it began keeping records half a century ago.

Joblessness is taking a toll on states, too. This month, 27 states will have to pay $1.2 billion to the federal government in interest on the $37.5 billion that they borrowed in recent years to keep paying unemployment benefits.

What is most striking about the high unemployment rates, several economists said in interviews, is how they continue to afflict wide parts of the country.

“It just seems to be so pervasive across the country — except for the breadbasket area — that it’s hard to pick out anybody who is bouncing back,” said Randall W. Eberts, the president of the W. E. Upjohn Institute for Employment Research in Michigan.

Dr. Eberts pointed to another feature of the downturn: people are much less likely to leave their jobs voluntarily. Before the recession, he said, about three million people voluntarily left their jobs each month. Now, around two million people do — leaving fewer openings for job seekers.

So what happened in South Carolina? Richard Kaglic, a regional economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, Va., said the state’s lingering troubles reflect what happened when its construction and manufacturing industries were hit hard by the recession. Mr. Kaglic, who is also a pilot, used an aviation metaphor to explain what he meant.

“If your nose is high, if you’re climbing faster and your engine cuts out, you fall farther and it takes you a longer time to recover,” he said. “The conditions we experienced in late 2008, 2009, are as close as you come to an engine-out situation in the economy.”

But Mr. Kaglic said that the recent return of manufacturing jobs was giving him hope, and that one reason for the high unemployment rate was that more people were now seeking work.

“I would look at it as our dreams are delayed,” he said, “rather than our dreams being denied.”

[Farnhamia]

I'm sure Sam Houston would disagree.

you mean one of the founders of the republic of Texas, then an independent nation, would disagree with being patriotic to said nation, and its later state?

Sam Houston, Governor of Texas in 1860, who was deposed when he opposed secession and refused to swear a loyalty oath to the Confederacy. Sam Houston, who wrote, "Fellow-Citizens, in the name of your rights and liberties, which I believe have been trampled upon, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the nationality of Texas, which has been betrayed by the Convention, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the Constitution of Texas, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of my own conscience and manhood, which this Convention would degrade by dragging me before it, to pander to the malice of my enemies, I refuse to take this oath. I deny the power of this Convention to speak for Texas....I protest....against all the acts and doings of this convention and I declare them null and void."

Yeah, history is a funny old thing ...

[Norstal]

Remember who subsidizes your agricultural businesses.

Also, Cromarty is British, so it's the Scots.

lol, as if stuff could grow in scotland.

Pfft, I don't understand British stereotypes. I probably should've said France or something.

[Des-Bal]

lolno

My aunt is lesbian, and lives in North Carolina. She married her longtime partner, who I consider just as much of a relative as any, in New York; and they've NEVER had any trouble whatsoever. So yeah, Cean, I want a source.

You might notice the underlined bit there as where you undercut your point.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

This, lady and gentlemen, is what is referred to in intellectual circles as a "buzzkill".