
by Prusland » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:55 pm

by Tubbsalot » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:59 pm

by Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:59 pm

by Daistallia 2104 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:06 pm
greed and death wrote:I find religion in politics to be more of a authoritarian vs non authoritarian dynamic then a economic left Vs right.

by Hayteria » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:10 pm
Prusland wrote:The Right-Wing has a very strong monopoly on Religion and uses it to get many People to vote for them, while not actually following any religious topics besides abortion. The secular left does not care for religion yet it seems to follow most of the teachings of Christ. Obviously somethings wrong here, and what i think is wrong is that many "christians" who are upper-middle class and above use abortion as an excuse to be greedy and get their way. And because of these people, the secular left sees very bad examples of true Christian. So the so called "religious" are really the most anti-Jesus, while the secular non-religious people follow his word.
Does anyone else think we need a new party that can balance these things? A party that both follows Christs teachings AND believes in them? A Party that understands that no-questions asked abortion is wrong but is sometimes nessecary? Pro-lifers like to talk a lot about how we shouldn't kill yet once the child is born they argue against giving any help or support at all. Yet the party should see that we must help the poor of society and shouldn't just create excuses why we need to be so greedy. These are just my opinions anyone else have an idea like this or similiar?

by Aglorea » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:11 pm

by Varxist States » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:13 pm
Prusland wrote: Does anyone else think we need a new party that can balance these things? A party that both follows Christs teachings AND believes in them? A Party that understands that no-questions asked abortion is wrong but is sometimes nessecary? Pro-lifers like to talk a lot about how we shouldn't kill yet once the child is born they argue against giving any help or support at all. Yet the party should see that we must help the poor of society and shouldn't just create excuses why we need to be so greedy. These are just my opinions anyone else have an idea like this or similiar?

by Dyakovo » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:19 pm
Prusland wrote:Does anyone else think we need a new party that can balance these things? A party that both follows Christs teachings AND believes in them?
Prusland wrote:A Party that understands that no-questions asked abortion is wrong but is sometimes nessecary?

by Aperture Science » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:31 pm

by Prusland » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:11 pm

by Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:13 pm
Prusland wrote:Im sorry i spoke wrongly, and i have accidently said something i didnt mean too. I do not in any way think we need a religious run party, what i mean is I think we need a middle of the line party that supports the best of both sides

by RightLeaningChristians » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:28 pm

by Capitalistliberals » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:28 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:I can honestly say my ethics have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, and everything to do with not being an asshole. The things you call "christlike" are really just more like being a decent person, which now that I think about it, boils down to compassion more than anything else.
I would never, ever vote for a Christian party, nor one that tried to legislate "Christs teachings". Part of not being an asshole is not forcing your religious view on others.

by Blouman Empire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:37 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:I can honestly say my ethics have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, and everything to do with not being an asshole. The things you call "christlike" are really just more like being a decent person, which now that I think about it, boils down to compassion more than anything else.
I would never, ever vote for a Christian party, nor one that tried to legislate "Christs teachings". Part of not being an asshole is not forcing your religious view on others.

by South East Europe » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:39 pm
Varxist States wrote:
I agree.
I believe that the far right-wing Christians do a huge amount of damage to the message of Christianity by trying to convert people by passing no-abortion laws and the like. It is sad that many right-wingers forget the point of why they are pro-life (i.e. actually trying to save lives) and instead go on a moral crusade, opposing abortion even when it actually threatens lives.
I also don't see from where in the Bible you can take excuses to be greedy. I go to a private school which is a Christian school by name, yet charges huge amounts to go there and is run more like a business than a school. All in the name of providing the very best teaching when others in the world don't have any.

by Dyakovo » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:39 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:I can honestly say my ethics have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, and everything to do with not being an asshole. The things you call "christlike" are really just more like being a decent person, which now that I think about it, boils down to compassion more than anything else.
I would never, ever vote for a Christian party, nor one that tried to legislate "Christs teachings". Part of not being an asshole is not forcing your religious view on others.
But forcing your non-religious views is perfectly alright.

by South East Europe » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:41 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:
But forcing your non-religious views is perfectly alright.

by Blouman Empire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:44 pm

by Blouman Empire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:45 pm
Dyakovo wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:I can honestly say my ethics have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, and everything to do with not being an asshole. The things you call "christlike" are really just more like being a decent person, which now that I think about it, boils down to compassion more than anything else.
I would never, ever vote for a Christian party, nor one that tried to legislate "Christs teachings". Part of not being an asshole is not forcing your religious view on others.
But forcing your non-religious views is perfectly alright.
Who is forcing their non-religious views?

by South East Europe » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:50 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:
Basic human rights and lack of a non-religious views.

by The Norse Hordes » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:55 pm
South East Europe wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:
Basic human rights and lack of a non-religious views.
I cannot legally marry males or females because religious fundamentalists make the marriage laws, I can legally be denied housing even if I can afford the rent and do not disturb anyone, employment even if I am the most qualified individual for the job, and usage of public facilities all because of who I am. No one else can legally be denied housing, employment, or usage of public facilities, only girls like me. If someone wants to proselytize and tell me that I am damned to hell, its perfectly legal. What about my freedom from being harassed?
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by Desperate Measures » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:59 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:I can honestly say my ethics have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, and everything to do with not being an asshole. The things you call "christlike" are really just more like being a decent person, which now that I think about it, boils down to compassion more than anything else.
I would never, ever vote for a Christian party, nor one that tried to legislate "Christs teachings". Part of not being an asshole is not forcing your religious view on others.
But forcing your non-religious views is perfectly alright.
Who is forcing their non-religious views?
My government isn trying to, it wants to pass some law whereby we can't entera bar after 2am, it also thinks that people cannot be apart of motorcycle groups and so seek to pass laws to ban this.
There are non-religious views where people think that speed limits should be lower and so they are already pushing this onto everyone and seek to push it further onto everyone.

by Blouman Empire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:00 pm
South East Europe wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:
Basic human rights and lack of a non-religious views.
I cannot legally marry males or females because religious fundamentalists make the marriage laws, I can legally be denied housing even if I can afford the rent and do not disturb anyone, employment even if I am the most qualified individual for the job, and usage of public facilities all because of who I am. No one else can legally be denied housing, employment, or usage of public facilities, only girls like me. If someone wants to proselytize and tell me that I am damned to hell, its perfectly legal. What about my freedom from being harassed?

by The Norse Hordes » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:01 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:South East Europe wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:
Basic human rights and lack of a non-religious views.
I cannot legally marry males or females because religious fundamentalists make the marriage laws, I can legally be denied housing even if I can afford the rent and do not disturb anyone, employment even if I am the most qualified individual for the job, and usage of public facilities all because of who I am. No one else can legally be denied housing, employment, or usage of public facilities, only girls like me. If someone wants to proselytize and tell me that I am damned to hell, its perfectly legal. What about my freedom from being harassed?
Gay rights (because that's what I am assuming you mean by girls like you) is not all basic human rights.
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