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Do you consider Human Beings to be Animals?

Yes, we are animals.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Sat May 12, 2012 10:16 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:So you do not bother to target my first point?
All living things are machines, they all change energy from one form to another.


That does not a machine make.

Chinese Regions wrote:The mind cannot exist without the body. The mind is the calculations the brain, which is part of the body, does.


Yes. Which is why uploading is of paramount importance. Need to get rid of this faulty wetware.

:palm: Dude, seriously, knowledge is good for you. I hope you were joking when you said you don't intend to understand biology in the other technology thread.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat May 12, 2012 10:17 am

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat May 12, 2012 10:22 am

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
That does not a machine make.



Yes. Which is why uploading is of paramount importance. Need to get rid of this faulty wetware.

:palm: Dude, seriously, knowledge is good for you. I hope you were joking when you said you don't intend to understand biology in the other technology thread.


I want to eradicate biological life... Seriously have you seen none of my rants at all?
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Postby Ridicularia » Sat May 12, 2012 10:23 am



Human rebreathers are much less efficient than fish gills. The human genome is much more vulnerable to deleterious mutations than, say, a grass. Since we still operate on energy, and have a somewhat finite amount of it, we're aren't particularly well-served by showing off our awesome water electrolysis rather than our lungs.

Without technological aid is ridiculous. It is our technology that makes us human. To say "without it" You are comparing monkeys to the animal world. Not people.

Other animals have basic technology. Give them some evolutionary time, and they might catch up.


The Emerald Legion wrote:Yes. Which is why uploading is of paramount importance. Need to get rid of this faulty wetware.

Maybe, but that won't stop evolutionary mechanisms. Reproduction and survival will still be of paramount important - the emphasis will just be different.
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Postby Phaedrus Imperator » Sat May 12, 2012 10:28 am

Yes. We are, at least in the biological sense.
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Postby Phaedrus Imperator » Sat May 12, 2012 10:31 am

Rethymnon wrote:Animal - A word that derives from the latin word Animus ( Soul )

Animals have souls. We do too. Thus we are animals just as well. Our brain capacity does not differentiate our existence in the material or spiritual world


Souls DO NOT EXIST!!! 'Animus' can be taken to mean 'mind', as it was when the word animal was formulated.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat May 12, 2012 10:31 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote: :palm: Dude, seriously, knowledge is good for you. I hope you were joking when you said you don't intend to understand biology in the other technology thread.


I want to eradicate biological life... Seriously have you seen none of my rants at all?

bio is the prefix for life so...
Are you ignorant of biology and make claims that humans aren't animals on purpose or do you have no knowledge of it whatsoever?
Were Neanderthals animals? Were Homo Erectuses (Erecti?) animals? We haven't evolved out of being animals yet, we still have the characteristics that make us part of the kingdom, Animalia. Yes we may engineer ourselves and evolve but CURRENTLY we are animals.
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Postby Post War America » Sat May 12, 2012 10:31 am

What are you talking about, I am clearly a fungus.
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Postby Kington Langley » Sat May 12, 2012 10:33 am

Of course we are animals, what simpleton would think otherwise?
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Postby Vousielle » Sat May 12, 2012 10:34 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote: :palm: Dude, seriously, knowledge is good for you. I hope you were joking when you said you don't intend to understand biology in the other technology thread.


I want to eradicate biological life... Seriously have you seen none of my rants at all?

Know your enemy. The fact that you want to abolish life should mean that you are determined to know more about life than anyone else. Otherwise you are spouting opinions based in ignorance. I know for a fact you aren't stupid, so don't act stupid. Familiarizing yourself with basic biology will lend your arguments that much more weight, and you might have an actual shot at persuading people to come to your way of thinking.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat May 12, 2012 10:39 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I want to eradicate biological life... Seriously have you seen none of my rants at all?

bio is the prefix for life so...
Are you ignorant of biology and make claims that humans aren't animals on purpose or do you have no knowledge of it whatsoever?
Were Neanderthals animals? Were Homo Erectuses (Erecti?) animals? We haven't evolved out of being animals yet, we still have the characteristics that make us part of the kingdom, Animalia. Yes we may engineer ourselves and evolve but CURRENTLY we are animals.


Bah, you aren't hearing what I'm saying.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Sat May 12, 2012 10:40 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote: :palm: Dude, seriously, knowledge is good for you. I hope you were joking when you said you don't intend to understand biology in the other technology thread.


I want to eradicate biological life... Seriously have you seen none of my rants at all?

If you don't even know biology, how do you expect to know what is biological life (e.g. yourself including your brain, mind, consciousness, etc.) and thus, what to eradicate??
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat May 12, 2012 10:45 am

Rethymnon wrote:Animal - A word that derives from the latin word Animus ( Soul )

Animals have souls. We do too. Thus we are animals just as well. Our brain capacity does not differentiate our existence in the material or spiritual world

Do jellyfish have souls? They have no brain or nervous system, just a lose network of nerves.
Do sea-squirts have souls? They eat their own brain.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat May 12, 2012 10:51 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:bio is the prefix for life so...
Are you ignorant of biology and make claims that humans aren't animals on purpose or do you have no knowledge of it whatsoever?
Were Neanderthals animals? Were Homo Erectuses (Erecti?) animals? We haven't evolved out of being animals yet, we still have the characteristics that make us part of the kingdom, Animalia. Yes we may engineer ourselves and evolve but CURRENTLY we are animals.


Bah, you aren't hearing what I'm saying.

If you are going to attack biology at least KNOW some of it.
Humans are different to animals mentally but that does not make us a different kingdom or domain from them.
I recall myself suggesting to you to use the term 'inhumanoid' for your weird definition of animal since you use it like invertebrate, it is not a real classification just the opposite of one. Which is how you are using the word 'animal' you take it as 'non-human' or 'inhuman'.
Since you haven't replied to my previous replies.
Are Neanderthals animals?
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Postby Austrot » Sat May 12, 2012 10:53 am

How can anyone deny that humans are animals??? Come on NSG evolve a little bit... ridiculous
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Postby Angermanland » Sat May 12, 2012 11:10 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ende wrote:How on earth does that decide who is a winner or not?

It's not if we kill our own species. It's just whoever survives. Humans are good at surviving.


Ha, that's funny. Please, take away our technology and we are weak animals. Our tech does the work for us.


actually, take away our tech and FIT and HEALTHY humans take the same slot as wolves, only we do better in hotter climates and not quite so well in colder climates.
also, wolves bleed their prey to bring it down faster. humans just Keep Going Longer and let the thing die of heat exhaustion. other animals may be fast enough to get away from humans... but eventually they have to stop. and then they look behind them and the humans are Still Coming and they're like 'oh shit! *dies*'

again, this only applies to fit and healthy humans. you know, the sort who have to hunt regularly to feed themselves. heh. and, of course, humans would much rather use a spear to imitate the wolf, or better yet, a bow, so they don't have to keep running as long... and then they're right back in the tech race.

but yeah, fit and healthy human sans tech? perfectly capable of bringing down any animal who's natural instinct is to flee. (things that fight back or huddle up en-mass? not so much. though for the latter all that means is that you need more humans. and humans are naturally inclined towards forming tribes or bands.)

we don't win fights without tools though, it's true. humans outrun slower hostile/aggressive creatures, climb trees or cliffs or whatever to get away from faster ones who can't climb, use water to mask their scent then hide from faster things which Can climb, and, if in a group and organized and lacking other options, mob anything else. ... if all that fails, then, well... humans get eaten, same as anything else. (basically there's nothing that will attempt to hunt a Group of humans if there's anything else going. only lions and wolves would have a hope... and there's decent odds the lions would lose, while the wolves would win if the humans didn't have a numerical advantage, but the casualties would be high enough that it wouldn't be worth it.)

the other thing is, lots of animals use sharp and pointy bits for fighting... humans use blunt impacts and take advantage of circular motion.... that and grapples. leverage. so, humans are quite capable of being more leathal than most animals in single combat too... difference is, the human has to have learnt about the animal in question. if they have the knowledge of the animal's body, and the strength and training and knowledge of their own body... the animal will lose. (well... unless it's an elephant. with no tech involved healthy adult elephants beat Everything.)

anyway, yes, scientifically Humans are animals. we're not vegetables or minerals, nor birds nor fish.

one could make the case that we are a step above the other animals without much difficulty (any specific reason Why takes more effort to defend), and as you can see in my above paragraphs, one of the english uses of the word 'animal' contrasts with 'human'. but, yeah, scientifically, humans are animals.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat May 12, 2012 11:16 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
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Bah, you aren't hearing what I'm saying.

If you are going to attack biology at least KNOW some of it.
Humans are different to animals mentally but that does not make us a different kingdom or domain from them.
I recall myself suggesting to you to use the term 'inhumanoid' for your weird definition of animal since you use it like invertebrate, it is not a real classification just the opposite of one. Which is how you are using the word 'animal' you take it as 'non-human' or 'inhuman'.
Since you haven't replied to my previous replies.
Are Neanderthals animals?


Neanderthals are humans. IIRC. Slightly different but still humans.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat May 12, 2012 11:29 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:If you are going to attack biology at least KNOW some of it.
Humans are different to animals mentally but that does not make us a different kingdom or domain from them.
I recall myself suggesting to you to use the term 'inhumanoid' for your weird definition of animal since you use it like invertebrate, it is not a real classification just the opposite of one. Which is how you are using the word 'animal' you take it as 'non-human' or 'inhuman'.
Since you haven't replied to my previous replies.
Are Neanderthals animals?


Neanderthals are humans. IIRC. Slightly different but still humans.

That's not the say you shouldn't reply the the post I just posted. >:(
Are Neanderthals animals?
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Postby Geniasis » Sat May 12, 2012 12:22 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:If you are going to attack biology at least KNOW some of it.
Humans are different to animals mentally but that does not make us a different kingdom or domain from them.
I recall myself suggesting to you to use the term 'inhumanoid' for your weird definition of animal since you use it like invertebrate, it is not a real classification just the opposite of one. Which is how you are using the word 'animal' you take it as 'non-human' or 'inhuman'.
Since you haven't replied to my previous replies.
Are Neanderthals animals?


Neanderthals are humans. IIRC. Slightly different but still humans.


Maybe not, actually. Human is Homo sapiens, while Neanderthal is either classified as a subspecies (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) or a different one (Homo neanderthalensis). Given what I've read, I tend towards the latter.
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Of course humans are animals, what else would we be?
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Alaje wrote:Of course humans are animals, what else would we be?

Timelords, Zentradi, Lorrdians.
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Postby Geniasis » Sat May 12, 2012 12:45 pm

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Alaje wrote:Of course humans are animals, what else would we be?

Timelords, Zetrandi, Lorrdians.


Cosmic horrors.
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Alaje wrote:Of course humans are animals, what else would we be?


Pokèmon! :D
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Postby Sociobiology » Sat May 12, 2012 2:52 pm

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They do not change into machines.

So you do not bother to target my first point?
All living things are machines, they all change energy from one form to another.

which has nothing to do with the definition of machine, living things are machines because they are physical constructs created by genes.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat May 12, 2012 2:54 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:Depends. In a nasty dehumanising context or a biology context?

Why can't it be both?


My answer to the OP is: Yes, humans are animals.
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