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Some contradictions I would like to have explained.

Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:27 pm

I do not cnsider myself on either the right or the left and nay in the centre, I just think.

Those on the right, particulaly the 'Right to lifers', please explain why you judge a bunch of cells to be worth protesting for, but not the folks on death row or your nations enemies?
Surely with some education or some dialogue such people could be as much benifit as a newborn? So why reduce yourself to the level of a barbarian and kill for the sake of your emotions? And for those that spout religion why not heed the 'Turn the other cheek,' 'Judge not lest ye be judged,' or 'though shalt not kill/murder' passages?

This has puzzled me since childhood and I have endured alot of heated arguements and insults for being 'unpatriotic' and being an 'idiot'.

I would like some answers if you would kindly indulge me.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:29 pm

Why not support abortion, wars with legitimate reasons, and be divided on the death penalty, hmm?
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Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:31 pm

How can you legitimise revenge? For that is what war usually revolves.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:32 pm

Kobrania wrote:How can you legitimise revenge? For that is what war usually revolves.

A legitimate war usually involves self-defence, I'm afraid. Go fish.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:32 pm

Kobrania wrote:How can you legitimise revenge? For that is what war usually revolves.

More often it is land and resources, and the ever popular religious furvor, ;)

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Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:33 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Kobrania wrote:How can you legitimise revenge? For that is what war usually revolves.

More often it is land and resources, and the ever popular religious furvor, ;)

So revenge, greed, and pride...

I am more disgusted by my race than I was two minutes ago.
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Postby Sarkhaan » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:34 pm

The argument would be that the fetus has done nothing wrong, where as the criminal on death row had their chance. Turn the other cheek doesn't apply here, nor does "Judge not lest ye be judged", as that would be the specific duty of the court system. Thou shalt not kill would be more accurately, and frequently is, translated as "Thou shalt not murder", which would still permit death row.

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Postby Flameswroth » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:34 pm

Criminals had their chance, and blew it. Unborn babies haven't.

Then again, I'm really only saying what I 'think' the answer is. I really don't have any idea what the actual one is.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:35 pm

Kobrania wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Kobrania wrote:How can you legitimise revenge? For that is what war usually revolves.

More often it is land and resources, and the ever popular religious furvor, ;)

So revenge, greed, and pride...

I am more disgusted by my race than I was two minutes ago.

Then my work here is done, ;)

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:36 pm

Kobrania wrote:So revenge, greed, and pride...

I am more disgusted by my race than I was two minutes ago.

I'm sorry, next time we get attacked, what we really should do is roll over and allow the opposing country to do whatever they want to us. Forgive me for not trusting Japan in WW2 to be all nice and merciful about it, seeing as they declared war on us. :roll:
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:39 pm

Because these clumps of cells each have an immeasurable, indemonstrable, nebulous structure of unknown origin, function, and composition called a "soul."
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What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Czardas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:40 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Because these clumps of cells each have an immeasurable, indemonstrable, nebulous structure of unknown origin, function, and composition called a "soul."

Which you can lose if you kill people, making you not human.

(Technically I think someone without a soul is a vampire. I saw it on TV, so it must be true.)
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:41 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Kobrania wrote:So revenge, greed, and pride...

I am more disgusted by my race than I was two minutes ago.

I'm sorry, next time we get attacked, what we really should do is roll over and allow the opposing country to do whatever they want to us. Forgive me for not trusting Japan in WW2 to be all nice and merciful about it, seeing as they declared war on us. :roll:

On the bright side, our Cartoons and Gameshows would be much more interesting if Japanese Culture holds true to its Current form, :lol2:

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:41 pm

Czardas wrote:Which you can lose if you kill people, making you not human.


Yes, despite not knowing what it is, what it does, or where it comes from, we have a complete and total understanding of its behavior.
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:41 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Because these clumps of cells each have an immeasurable, indemonstrable, nebulous structure of unknown origin, function, and composition called a "soul."

As do those your people eagerly exinguish.
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Postby Czardas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:42 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Czardas wrote:Which you can lose if you kill people, making you not human.


Yes, despite not knowing what it is, what it does, or where it comes from, we have a complete and total understanding of its behavior.


Well, like I said, demons can extract your soul in order to power ancient engines devoted to destroying the universe. Then you become one of them and turn into a vampire. I think we understand souls pretty well by now, especially with modern technology,
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:42 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Czardas wrote:Which you can lose if you kill people, making you not human.


Yes, despite not knowing what it is, what it does, or where it comes from, we have a complete and total understanding of its behavior.

Well, I do anyway...Im just not sharing, :lol2:



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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:42 pm

Kobrania wrote:As do those your people eagerly exinguish.

You aren't too familiar with sarcasm, are you?
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Postby Samatolian City-States » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:43 pm

I can't really defend my position on abortion from a practical standpoint, but in the (secular, don't flip out) moral arena, I believe it to be wrong to deliberately end the life of another.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:43 pm

Kobrania wrote:As do those your people eagerly exinguish.


I think you have me confused for a theist. How could you not spot the overwhelming sarcasm in what I just posted? What's wrong with you?
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Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:46 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Kobrania wrote:As do those your people eagerly exinguish.


I think you have me confused for a theist. How could you not spot the overwhelming sarcasm in what I just posted? What's wrong with you?

But you do support war, execution and the easyness of getting your hands on items of death?
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:47 pm

Kobrania wrote:But you do support war, exicution and the easyness of getting your hands on items of death?


You don't have good reading comprehension skills do you?
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Samatolian City-States » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:48 pm

Kobrania wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Kobrania wrote:As do those your people eagerly exinguish.


I think you have me confused for a theist. How could you not spot the overwhelming sarcasm in what I just posted? What's wrong with you?

But you do support war, execution and the easyness of getting your hands on items of death?

For the record, I support one third of the above positions. Give me a guess.
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Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:48 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Kobrania wrote:But you do support war, exicution and the easyness of getting your hands on items of death?


You don't have good reading comprehension skills do you?

You do not have to be a theist to support war execution and freedom of arms. :eyebrow:
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Postby Brystolville » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:50 pm

I used to be against abortion, but for the death penalty. Now I am opposed to both.
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