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Conservative Teachers: Politics and Education.

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Rob's Polls Are Fundamental Aspects of Knowledge.

Irrelevant- Their political views have little to no effect on how/what they teach, nor does it alter my respect of them.
6
11%
Rare- Rarely does it have any effect on the process of teaching, or how I view them personally.
11
20%
Well- It can have a signifcant effect on such factors, but I've never experienced it first hand.
5
9%
Yes- It can have a significant effect on such factors, and I've experienced it first hand.
15
27%
Why?- Why even allow them to in the first place? Teachers should have restrictions on when they can share their political views.
3
5%
Yes, but- Yes, I don't think they should be preaching their politics, but I'm not going to stop them, they have the right to.
5
9%
No Opinion- I've never felt this is at all necessary to bring into discussion, there are far worse educational issues to deal with.
4
7%
Other- I have other opinions that Rob can't think of because he's tired.
7
13%
 
Total votes : 56

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Conservative Teachers: Politics and Education.

Postby Rhodmhire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:01 pm

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And, of course, other teachers with an open or suspected political perspective you disagree with.

Since whenever I try and post threads concerning news stories, they fail, I'm going to try and start a discussion that, hopefully, hasn't been brought up as a major topic of discussion.

Teachers, professors, and the likes. We gain knowledge from them, (and our Internet overlords) we gain wisdom from them, guidance, and often a sense of respect.

But what happens when your teacher/professor(s) display political perspectives that you strongly oppose, or disagree with?

I haven't kept track of all of my teachers' political ideologies, quite frankly a good lot of them haven't even bothered to share it, thankfully, but from what I've experienced, my teachers are more than often Conservative, in some form or another. If I were to estimate, out of all of the teachers who I have gotten a decent sense of political perspective on, a good eight out of ten are some form of Conservative, or Conservative leaning, as far as politics goes.

From History to Science, Literature and music, I have had far more Conservative teachers opposed to more Liberal ones.

But, it's what you make of it, and I haven't been very effected by it at all. Although many are more right-wing than myself, I don't totally disagree with them all the time. And even when I find myself in disagreement, it rarely has an effect on my performance, concentration, or sense of respect for the teacher.

You might think growing up with a good 80% of your teachers having one limited political spectrum of thought would alter one's own perspective on politics, but it has done very little to even tap upon the questioning of my own political ideas--let alone tamper with them to the point of changing viewpoints.

But speaking of thinking, what do you think about this?

Have you yourself had teachers and/or professors who had political ideologies that you disagreed with? If so, how did you respond? Were you old enough to care? Did it change your level of respect for certain teachers?

Did/do they even bother to give you a hint as to what their political leanings were/are?

Should they be allowed to in the first place?

Does it ultimately change the cirriculum, how they teach, what they teach? Or is it virtually irrelevant?

Give me your thoughts, experiences, ideas, and concerns.

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Postby Kobrania » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:03 pm

I grew up in a catholic school.
And I was hostpitalised three times due to the direct actions of the teachers or by them refusing to intervene in the many fights I was forced to participate.
No sex ed.
And only briefly covered the major scientific theories with heavy religious editing.
They taught music and song well though.
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Postby North Suran » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:04 pm

I once had a teacher who was so far-left that even I disagreed with him on a few occassions.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:05 pm

I often pissed off my French Teacher, who was the very definition of a Neocon. Luckily, she didn't take it out on my grades, was more or less a good sport.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:05 pm

North Suran wrote:I once had a teacher who was so far-left that even I disagreed with him on a few occassions.


Yikes.

That's something significant, I suppose.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:05 pm

If it interferes with their ability to teach impartially, then there's a problem. I wouldn't want a creationist teaching biology, a Randroid teaching economics, or a fundy teaching ethics or philosophy or anything related to psychology.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:07 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:If it interferes with their ability to teach impartially, then there's a problem. I wouldn't want a creationist teaching biology, a Randroid teaching economics, or a fundy teaching ethics or philosophy or anything related to psychology.


Have you ever experienced something like this first hand? Perhaps not along the lines of your examples, but in other ways?
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Postby Whiskey Hill » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:08 pm

I like profs who take a position. When you know their perspective, it makes the way they teach material make more sense. I don't really care if they're left or right, as long as they're up front about it, and willing to discuss things in a civilized manner.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:10 pm

Well, in South Mississippi, the majority of the populace, including the professor/teachers, are rather conservative, meaning that they differ radically from my own perspective, its something you get used to, Ill call something on them or make a joke if the situation warrants it...

But, most of the time it has little effect on the actual education one way or the other, as they teach from the text book, I have only one professor who'll actually make comments politically while he teaches, and he's like 90 I think, lol...Interesting as hell though, cause he's been around here for ages so he's got a really good perspective on the local history, its my favorite class...


So, really I have no opinion on the subject, on the one hand, I obviously prefer my more liberal professors due to my own political beliefs, but, on the other, I dont let it get in the way of learning the subject at hand...
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Postby Sarkhaan » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:11 pm

A good teacher should not reveal their political stances, as they are irrelevant.

Any teacher who DOES reveal their political stance, for whatever reason, had better not alienate any students because of it.

I rarely knew my teachers or professors politics.

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Postby Rhodmhire » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:12 pm

Whiskey Hill wrote:I like profs who take a position. When you know their perspective, it makes the way they teach material make more sense. I don't really care if they're left or right, as long as they're up front about it, and willing to discuss things in a civilized manner.


So you think it has an effect on the way(s) they teach?

And I can see what you mean as far as being up front about it. As long as the atmosphere of the class/subject allows for some debate amongst students and teachers/professors, I'm all for it.

For example, I had an English teacher who was very liberal on many issues, I'd often debate him one on one in class, since we had many little debates on things during class that didn't distract from the actual topic(s) he was teaching.

It was very good for my other friends, since I'd often take up the time we'd be doing classwork or taking notes.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:12 pm

Rhodmhire wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:If it interferes with their ability to teach impartially, then there's a problem. I wouldn't want a creationist teaching biology, a Randroid teaching economics, or a fundy teaching ethics or philosophy or anything related to psychology.


Have you ever experienced something like this first hand? Perhaps not along the lines of your examples, but in other ways?

Yes, I had a coach that taught "biology" in Highschool, but, it didnt factor in except in him emphasizing the word "theory", but other than that, he just read word for word from the text book...

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:12 pm

I always liked teachers who didn't give away their actual positions but would just adopt the position opposite to yours and were smart enough to do it well.

Nothing better for making you really examine your opinion.

The only teacher I ever came across with wildly differing views to my own was an American chap who taught history and RE at my high school. Cliche though it may be he was a bit of a right wing fundie.

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Postby Kiregpanzer » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:15 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:If it interferes with their ability to teach impartially, then there's a problem. I wouldn't want a creationist teaching biology, a Randroid teaching economics, or a fundy teaching ethics or philosophy or anything related to psychology.


At the same time, is it really that good of an idea for a hardcore leftist to be teaching any of those classes either?

I wouldn't want a socialist teaching economics or a new age hippie teaching philosophy and ethics either.

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Postby Whiskey Hill » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:18 pm

So you think it has an effect on the way(s) they teach?


Yes. I had a pretty liberal political theory prof who believed in diversity of ideas and tried to even treat Nietzsche fairly. I had a conservative theory instructor who fully believed that traditional conservatism was the most enlightened path and hated on the other wings of the conservative coalition, maybe even more than he did liberals, while he was teaching about them. I think ideologies generally have a big influence on our behaviors.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:33 pm

Rhodmhire wrote:Have you ever experienced something like this first hand? Perhaps not along the lines of your examples, but in other ways?


Not too much. My government teacher in 11th grade was a moderate conservative.
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Postby The peoples homeland » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:35 pm

I had a teacher just last year that was a social studys teacher and he was one of those " The U.S. Is the best nation in the world and capiterism is the best way to run economics and cummnism & socialism are the worst things ever" while I my self am a socialist. I could not stand him. He alwas was puting his ideals in to the school work. I had so many arrgaments with him about that and other stuff. But he could never fail me becuase I had a A in there the entire year. But by the end of the year me and the rest of the class where abel to force him to quite becuase he could not stand that the entire class was not falling for his lies.

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Postby Kirav » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:38 pm

Most female instructors that I've had, and who have shared/hinted at their views have been Liberal. Most male ones have been Conservative. But on the whole, most of them didn't talk about their politics.

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:40 pm

I did have one teacher wherein it was literally impossible to get an A in her class unless you had a vagina.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:41 pm

I more find myself in the position of students asking repeatedly what my religious, political and social leanings are, and my first answer, always, is, "How is that related to Macbeth? (or whatever is being taught).

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Postby Katganistan » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:44 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:I did have one teacher wherein it was literally impossible to get an A in her class unless you had a vagina.


...even if you passed all the tests with the highest grades?
I find that hard to believe.

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Postby Samatolian City-States » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:44 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:I did have one teacher wherein it was literally impossible to get an A in her class unless you had a vagina.

I had one where it was literally impossible to get an A, period.
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Postby Sarkhaan » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:44 pm

Katganistan wrote:I more find myself in the position of students asking repeatedly what my religious, political and social leanings are, and my first answer, always, is, "How is that related to Macbeth? (or whatever is being taught).

You must have at least one smartass cherub who can come up with decent rationalization...

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:45 pm

The peoples homeland wrote:I had a teacher just last year that was a social studies teacher and he was one of those " The U.S. Is the best nation in the world and capitalism is the best way to run economics and communism & socialism are the worst things ever" while I myself am a socialist. I could not stand him. He alwas was putting his ideals into the school work. I had so many arguments with him about that and other stuff. But he could never fail me becuase I had an A in there the entire year. But by the end of the year me and the rest of the class where able to force him to quit because he could not stand that the entire class was not falling for his lies.


1. fixed. spellcheck is your friend. I wasn't even going to try and correct the grammar errors. That is beyond my abilities.

2. not everything socialist is "the truth", and not everything capitalist is "lies". Maybe try and pay attention in class before you dismiss things as "lies" next time.
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Postby Chrobalta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:46 pm

Idk, seems like where I am from most of the teachers and professors are liberals. So no real disagreements.
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