Jocabia is a douchebag, but does he have rights?

[Jocabia]

LOL. I hear he has rectal warts. At least that's what the cool kids are saying.

Even my rectal warts are sentient.

If douchebags could have rectal warts, would their rights stem from YOUR rights, or would they exist independently of your rights, even though they would (the rectal warts) not exist independently of you?

They would stem from their sentience. Unfortunately, from what I heard, they weren't particularly entertaining, but that's not a requirement for rights being recognized, fortunately for LG.

[Neesika]

It's not your shoulder that would bear the responsibility.

You like the fact that you were made to be inserted into vaginas.

[Jocabia]

I am Jocabia and I approve of this message.

What conferred upon you the right to approve this message?

I'm white, straight, Christian and male. Enough said.

[Jocabia]

It's not your shoulder that would bear the responsibility.

You like the fact that you were made to be inserted into vaginas.

It's not the first time it's been said that I am quite useful in that regard and I have yet to find it offensive.

[Czardas]

I am Jocabia and I approve of this message.

What conferred upon you the right to approve this message?

I'm white, straight, Christian and male. Enough said.

Hmm. Looks like you don't deserve rights after all. I'm sorry about this, I really am, but we can't make concessions to minorities -- let one have equal rights and they'll all be wanting 'em, you know.

[Jocabia]

By the way, I do have rights, but I have one more left. Don't ask.

[Kryozerkia]

Just so there is a note from a Mod, I had seen this thread back when it was on page one and I felt inclined to let it run its course. After seeing a thread in Moderation about it, I thought I'd just drop a note making sure everyone knows this is in jest and to remember to play nice.

[Jocabia]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

[Gravlen]

Douchebag or not, Jocabia don't have rights. Easy question

[Fartsniffage]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

You only have the rights that you can enforce.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

And the what now?

I'll speak more slowly.

If...your....computer....developed....sentinence...should...it....have....rights?

How...sentinent...do...non-humans...have....to...be...to...'earn'...rights?

It depends how they taste. *nod*

[Gravlen]

What is sentience, really?

How Norweigan.

So sentience is social democratic?

[Jocabia]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

You only have the rights that you can enforce.

Which is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Czardas]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

No, but you try telling that to its parents.

[Jocabia]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

No, but you try telling that to its parents.

Oh, look, she's smiling.
Uh, no, she's taking a crap.

Note: New parents really like it if you refer to their childrens as taking a crap.

[Fartsniffage]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

You only have the rights that you can enforce.

Which is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Exactly.

[Kamsaki]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

As noted earlier, even though it isn't self "aware", it is nonetheless self "modifying" - albeit at that stage on what is probably pure biological response to stimuli - and thus has certain rights from the get-go. It has rights at least on a par with those of animals, and probably more so, given that right from the moment of birth, human society is conditioning it to become self aware.

Embryos, on the other hand, may be different. The question is when this conditioning begins, and this is a biological question rather than a philosophical question.

[Jocabia]

As to rights and sentience, I find it interesting, but it cuts both ways.

For example, it's been pretty well demonstrated that a newborn is not self-aware. Does it have rights?

As noted earlier, even though it isn't self "aware", it is nonetheless self "modifying" - albeit at that stage on what is probably pure biological response to stimuli - and thus has certain rights from the get-go. It has rights at least on a par with those of animals, and probably more so, given that right from the moment of birth, human society is conditioning it to become self aware.

Embryos, on the other hand, may be different. The question is when this conditioning begins, and this is a biological question rather than a philosophical question.

I don't know that it is a biological question. Certainly the creation of the requirements and the lines you've drawn are philosophical.

[Kamsaki]

I don't know that it is a biological question. Certainly the creation of the requirements and the lines you've drawn are philosophical.

Oh, certainly, the fundamental basis of the analysis is philosophical (as is the idea of Right in the first place), but without further information (that only biology can provide) the resolution of the analysis one way or the other is incomplete.

[Jordaxia]

I think that actual, existent things with self-awareness have rights. They might not have all the rights we do, but they should definitely have some. Things like chimps, elephants, or dolphins, for example should have rights, and should certainly be treated humanely.

[Jocabia]

I don't know that it is a biological question. Certainly the creation of the requirements and the lines you've drawn are philosophical.

Oh, certainly, the fundamental basis of the analysis is philosophical (as is the idea of Right in the first place), but without further information (that only biology can provide) the resolution of the analysis one way or the other is incomplete.

Yes, but when you make the potential for sentience a reason for recognizing rights, then aren't you open a fairly large can of worms. When does the potential for sentience not exist?

[Jocabia]

I think that actual, existent things with self-awareness have rights. They might not have all the rights we do, but they should definitely have some. Things like chimps, elephants, or dolphins, for example should have rights, and should certainly be treated humanely.

Pssssh

[Fartsniffage]

I think that actual, existent things with self-awareness have rights. They might not have all the rights we do, but they should definitely have some. Things like chimps, elephants, or dolphins, for example should have rights, and should certainly be treated humanely.

Most animals are self aware to a point. How do you draw the line?

[Czardas]

I think that actual, existent things with self-awareness have rights. They might not have all the rights we do, but they should definitely have some. Things like chimps, elephants, or dolphins, for example should have rights, and should certainly be treated humanely.

How can you tell whether or not a thing is self-aware?

[Jocabia]

I think that actual, existent things with self-awareness have rights. They might not have all the rights we do, but they should definitely have some. Things like chimps, elephants, or dolphins, for example should have rights, and should certainly be treated humanely.

Most animals are self aware to a point. How do you draw the line?

Uh, not really, no.

I'll pick five animals at what seems like random, but really not.

A mouse, an owl, a trout, a hushpuppie, a howler monkey. Which of these are self-aware and do you have any evidence suggesting most of them are?