Your plan for America?

[Genivaria]

So people will by anything from anyone BUT the government? Are Americans afraid to buy from the government?

Government services tend to suck, so yeah.

And I would keep current wars going on until we win then bring the troops back, then if Iran or North Korea gets nuclear weapons and threatens to use them I will not hesitate to bomb them into dust and march troops across their countries, then if we go to war with them I would have their countries forcibly annexed and made USA territories, Iranian oil would benifit the economy. And to be more specific with the spending, I would cut social security, the US spends enough on it, I would abolish Medicare and Medicaid as healthcare would be universal anyway, I would cut subsidies to Solar and Wind energy, I would trim subsidies to coal, I would cease subsidies to natural gas, and if I knew all USA spending I could give you a better list of spending cuts. And fiscal liberals are pro capitalism, I am a fiscal socialist.

Standard soviet practice.

Im not a fucking Stalinist.

You have have repeatedly proven yourself to be one.

However, since you are so thick skulled, there is only one way to solve this dispute: Do you support central planning?

And YOU don't seem to understand that Stalinism is about more then any one issue.
Your criteria for judging someone as Stalinist is ludicrous.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Yes I know, I meant wealthy people paying a higher % of their income.

They already do. It is called income brackets. If you earn $200,000 a year you pay a higher percentage than someone who earns $50,000 per year before any tax breaks (the biggest issue is tax laws let people who get most of their money from investments pay a tiny percentage compared to if they earned their money through other means).

So people will by anything from anyone BUT the government? Are Americans afraid to buy from the government?

Pretty much, it is inefficient, and the people who would be buying drugs from the government probably wouldn't trust the people who were trying to arrest them not long ago for the same thing they are selling them.

And I would keep current wars going on until we win then bring the troops back, then if Iran or North Korea gets nuclear weapons and threatens to use them I will not hesitate to bomb them into dust and march troops across their countries, then if we go to war with them I would have their countries forcibly annexed and made USA territories, Iranian oil would benifit the economy.

This is just too funny. Honestly I have had stupid hicks from my old high school with more sane political ideas. At least annexing Mexico (the idea of a redneck from high school) would be easy to maintain control of compared to a country on the other side of the world that has no resources or industry.

And to be more specific with the spending, I would cut social security, the US spends enough on it, I would abolish Medicare and Medicaid as healthcare would be universal anyway, I would cut subsidies to Solar and Wind energy, I would trim subsidies to coal, I would cease subsidies to natural gas, and if I knew all USA spending I could give you a better list of spending cuts. And fiscal liberals are pro capitalism, I am a fiscal socialist.

Your ideas are frankly stupid in every way.

[Rick Rollin]

Government services tend to suck, so yeah.

Standard soviet practice.

You have have repeatedly proven yourself to be one.

However, since you are so thick skulled, there is only one way to solve this dispute: Do you support central planning?

And YOU don't seem to understand that Stalinism is about more then any one issue.
Your criteria for judging someone as Stalinist is ludicrous.

I wanted to do a very quick and dirty assesment. So yes, that question isn't a very good one. I chose that question because the first and only form of socialism that had central planning at all was Stalinism.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yes I know, I meant wealthy people paying a higher % of their income.

They already do. It is called income brackets. If you earn $200,000 a year you pay a higher percentage than someone who earns $50,000 per year before any tax breaks (the biggest issue is tax laws let people who get most of their money from investments pay a tiny percentage compared to if they earned their money through other means).

So people will by anything from anyone BUT the government? Are Americans afraid to buy from the government?

Pretty much, it is inefficient, and the people who would be buying drugs from the government probably wouldn't trust the people who were trying to arrest them not long ago for the same thing they are selling them.

And I would keep current wars going on until we win then bring the troops back, then if Iran or North Korea gets nuclear weapons and threatens to use them I will not hesitate to bomb them into dust and march troops across their countries, then if we go to war with them I would have their countries forcibly annexed and made USA territories, Iranian oil would benifit the economy.

This is just too funny. Honestly I have had stupid hicks from my old high school with more sane political ideas. At least annexing Mexico (the idea of a redneck from high school) would be easy to maintain control of compared to a country on the other side of the world that has no resources or industry.

And to be more specific with the spending, I would cut social security, the US spends enough on it, I would abolish Medicare and Medicaid as healthcare would be universal anyway, I would cut subsidies to Solar and Wind energy, I would trim subsidies to coal, I would cease subsidies to natural gas, and if I knew all USA spending I could give you a better list of spending cuts. And fiscal liberals are pro capitalism, I am a fiscal socialist.

Your ideas are frankly stupid in every way.

1:Ok so wheres your proof the USA government ruins every industry it touches?
2:Ok so having Iran's oil, potentially a multi billion dollar addition to the US oil industry which will also likely lower oil prices and allow billions in export money, is funny? If America can take Iraq, it can take Iran.
3:Its stupid to lower funding to one of America's biggest sources of expense and to cut subsidies to ineficent energy types?

[Apes in chainmail riding tyrannosaurs]

Nuke Washington D.C.

[Genivaria]

And YOU don't seem to understand that Stalinism is about more then any one issue.
Your criteria for judging someone as Stalinist is ludicrous.

I wanted to do a very quick and dirty assesment. So yes, that question isn't a very good one. I chose that question because the first and only form of socialism that had central planning at all was Stalinism.

When used in its broadest sense, the term "Stalinist" refers to socialist states comparable to the Stalin-era Soviet Union (i.e., those characterized by a high degree of centralization, totalitarianism, the use of a secret police, propaganda, and especially brutal tactics of political coercion). According to Encyclopædia Britannica, "Stalinism is associated with a regime of terror and totalitarian rule." [2]

Stalinism has been considered by some reviewers as a "Red fascism". Though fascist regimes held official ideological differences with the Soviet Union, they positively regarded Stalinism as evolving Bolshevism into a form of fascism. Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism.[5] Despite ideological differences and holding territorial claims on the Soviet Union, Adolf Hitler admired Stalin and his politics and believed that Stalin was in effect transforming Soviet Bolshevism into a form of Nazism.[6]

Lovely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

[Rick Rollin]

They already do. It is called income brackets. If you earn $200,000 a year you pay a higher percentage than someone who earns $50,000 per year before any tax breaks (the biggest issue is tax laws let people who get most of their money from investments pay a tiny percentage compared to if they earned their money through other means).


Pretty much, it is inefficient, and the people who would be buying drugs from the government probably wouldn't trust the people who were trying to arrest them not long ago for the same thing they are selling them.


This is just too funny. Honestly I have had stupid hicks from my old high school with more sane political ideas. At least annexing Mexico (the idea of a redneck from high school) would be easy to maintain control of compared to a country on the other side of the world that has no resources or industry.


Your ideas are frankly stupid in every way.

1:Ok so wheres your proof the USA government ruins every industry it touches?

Exhibit A: The postal service...

2:Ok so having Iran's oil, potentially a multi billion dollar addition to the US oil industry which will also likely lower oil prices and allow billions in export money, is funny? If America can take Iraq, it can take Iran.

Iraq wasn't taken. Also, the cries of 'COLONIZATION!' would deafen our ears.

3:Its stupid to lower funding to one of America's biggest sources of expense and to cut subsidies to ineficent energy types?

The statement is so false.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Nuke Washington D.C.

One of the worst ideas yet,

[Occupied Deutschland]

Nuke Washington D.C.

Finally, someone proposing a reasonable bipartisan measure!

[Rick Rollin]

Nuke Washington D.C.

One of the worst ideas yet,

No sense of humor. Typical of Stalinists.

[Rick Rollin]

Nuke Washington D.C.

Finally, someone proposing a reasonable bipartisan measure!

NUKE DC FTW!

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

1:Ok so wheres your proof the USA government ruins every industry it touches?
2:Ok so having Iran's oil, potentially a multi billion dollar addition to the US oil industry which will also likely lower oil prices and allow billions in export money, is funny? If America can take Iraq, it can take Iran.
3:Its stupid to lower funding to one of America's biggest sources of expense and to cut subsidies to ineficent energy types?

1. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Post Office, TVA, Amtrak.
2. Iran doesn't have much oil compared to nations that actually export oil to us, and even then has little infrastructure and a completely different society. The pacification would be like Vietnam^³.
3. It is stupid to remove government programs because they are inefficient only to create a larger program. Medicare and Medicaid don't cover everyone, while pure socialized medicine would and thus you will have a net increase in spending unless you used magic to make the government more efficient.

[Genivaria]

One of the worst ideas yet,

No sense of humor. Typical of Stalinists.

Oh do shut up.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

One of the worst ideas yet,

No sense of humor. Typical of Stalinists.

Yes I realise it was a fucking joke, how is responding seriously Stalinist AT ALL?

[Rick Rollin]

No sense of humor. Typical of Stalinists.

Oh do shut up.

No sense of humor. Typical of Stalinists.

Yes I realise it was a fucking joke, how is responding seriously Stalinist AT ALL?

The Soviet Union sent people to the gulags for making jokes about The Party.

[Genivaria]

You know, its not often when I dislike two people on two different sides of an argument.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

1:Ok so wheres your proof the USA government ruins every industry it touches?
2:Ok so having Iran's oil, potentially a multi billion dollar addition to the US oil industry which will also likely lower oil prices and allow billions in export money, is funny? If America can take Iraq, it can take Iran.
3:Its stupid to lower funding to one of America's biggest sources of expense and to cut subsidies to ineficent energy types?

1. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Post Office, TVA, Amtrak.
2. Iran doesn't have much oil compared to nations that actually export oil to us, and even then has little infrastructure and a completely different society. The pacification would be like Vietnam^³.
3. It is stupid to remove government programs because they are inefficient only to create a larger program. Medicare and Medicaid don't cover everyone, while pure socialized medicine would and thus you will have a net increase in spending unless you used magic to make the government more efficient.

1:Ok I can give you that
2:Ok so its not the best target, I will admit that, but with a well funded military with modern tech and decent troop numbers could occupy any country, that and I wouldnt withdrawl just because a bunch of hippies want me to, that an Vietnam couldve been won had America stayed there long enough to win
3:What about the other cuts?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Oh do shut up.

Yes I realise it was a fucking joke, how is responding seriously Stalinist AT ALL?

The Soviet Union sent people to the gulags for making jokes about The Party.

So? The SU isnt around anymore, does it fucking matter what it did when it was?

[Foguk]

4. Create the Keystone Pipeline. Drill for oil in the US. Drill in Alaska. Drill in the Gulf of Mexico. Invest into nuclear power.

I hate that Keystone pipeline...

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

4. Create the Keystone Pipeline. Drill for oil in the US. Drill in Alaska. Drill in the Gulf of Mexico. Invest into nuclear power.

I hate that Keystone pipeline...

If I were president I would approve it, Alaskan oil is important to lowering prices.

[Rick Rollin]

The Soviet Union sent people to the gulags for making jokes about The Party.

So? The SU isnt around anymore, does it fucking matter what it did when it was?

The Soviet Union was the epitome of Stalinism.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

So? The SU isnt around anymore, does it fucking matter what it did when it was?

The Soviet Union was the epitome of Stalinism.

So? Have I said I want to recreate the SU in America?

[Rick Rollin]

The Soviet Union was the epitome of Stalinism.

So? Have I said I want to recreate the SU in America?

Your policies pretty much do.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

So? Have I said I want to recreate the SU in America?

Your policies pretty much do.

By nationalising a few industries and making a progressive tax system? There is a BIG difference than a couple nationalised industries and a progressive tax system than a completly government run society. Please learn facts about Stalinism and the SU before you post these ridiculas claims.

[Foguk]

I hate that Keystone pipeline...

If I were president I would approve it, Alaskan oil is important to lowering prices.

Cool. If I was prime minister I would disprove it. You can have your alaskan oil, just not ours.