Your plan for America?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Yes I DO have a problem with that, because if you do that then you set a precedent that it is ok to silence people who the government calls "terrorists". The government did exactly that to socialists, communists, and trade unionists in the 1950's.
I DISAGREE with alot of people, but I don't think they should be silenced.

I meant REAL terrorists, like Al Quida, people who say people should blow up buildings or people who call for genocide or for blacks to be slaves again. Some people actually fall for stuff terrorists post online and blow up a building.

Fair enough, but who's to say future folks who come to power that has that kind of power won't use it against Communists/Capitalists/Jews/Seniors/Telemarketers/etc?

Plus, then definition becomes a sticky issue. At what point does one pass from being just "kooky" to actually being a REAL terrorist?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

The free market will fix everything. Just as in any natural and organic system, the economy will find its way to equilibrium and efficiency if we just abolish all taxes, regulaations and subsidies. I would deregulate gradually over a few years, starting with a repeal of legal tender laws and capital gains tax so as to allow for barter, free trade and monetary competition, as well as allowing anyone to trade and run a business, taking away the need for registration and licensing, and putting and end to every prohibition. As people set up businesses in agriculture and manufacturing to compete with contemporary oligopolies, I would abolish regulatory departments such as the FDA, DEA, EPA, etc., and leave any property damage and negative externalities to tort law. I would abolish the Department of. Education and allow academic innovation to be driven by competition. Eventually, everything will be privatized, profit incentives would encourage capitalists to maintain resources, thus effectively eliminating the Tragedy of the Commons, and the government would be liquidated and unable to interfere with the people's liberty to trade and produce.

Anarchy FTW
Vote for the Libertarian Party
Ron Paul 2012

Right, so abolish all taxes, let corporations take over society, abolish the government, and turn society into an anarchy where corporations rule everything.

[Rick Rollin]

No, but most of your other ideas were Stalinist, so it kinda fits the ideology.

Mind telling me which other ideas? And please tell me how their Stalinist.

Well I decided it would be fun to see what NS thinks is the best way to solve the USA economic situation. Well NS what is it? Tax hikes? Spending cuts? Me? You can see my complete political agenda below. And please no debate on whether abortion or gay marrige are good or not, this is a thread to debate other people's plans, not debate the credibility of abortion or gay rights.

Economic policy

Create a progressive tax system taxing the rich more than the poor,

Socialistic.

cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget,

Vague fluff, so it's irelevant.

nationalise the oil industry, nationalise healthcare and provide it universal,

Socialist.

drill for oil in Alaska,

Environmentally destructive.

legalize hemp and make it a government industry.

1. Hemp is legal, so no change.
2. Socialist.

Social policy

Create a conservative social policy pushing states to illegalise abortion and gay marrige

Stalinism was socially restrictive.

as well as ensuring the death penalty is legal and highly used.

Self-explanatory.

Economic Policy:

Get the government out of the economy. Completely. Reset the gold standard for money, privatize healthcare, semi-privatize mail, and privatize education. Destroy drilling regulations. Let them drill everywhere.

Social Policy

Pass an amendment to the Constitution illegalizing abortion, since it is murder. Leave same-sex marriage, and everything else, up to the States.

International Policy

Get out of everywhere. Quit getting in unneeded wars. When war is needed, ask Congress to declare it, legally.
Eventually, retake the Panama Canal.

Wow you really hate the economy dont you? Privatisation doesnt help the economy at all, eliminating all regulations will only bring things back to the depression ere Rosevelt fought to end.

Socialistic.

My Plan for America:

1. Illegalized Abortion and Gay Marriage.
2. Cut the Military Budget and divert the funding to Welfare project.
3. Withdraw support from the Zionist Government of Israel.
4. Acknowledge the Nation of Palestine.
5. Dropped the 'War on Terrorism' Policy.
6. Recall every American Servicemen and women from all bases to strengthen the Nations Defense.
7. Allow freedom of the Internet. (End Internet Censorship and return back Megaupload)
8. Repeal the Patriot Act.


that's all

1:

Restrictive social policy

2:

Pro-army

5:

Hates freedom

6:

Loves army

7:
8:

Authoritarian

If I recall correctly, you like communism as an economic policy, but hate personal and political freedom. That certainly sounds like a certain Georgian to me.

What? I am in favor of a Socialist economy, conservative social policies, and a conservative international policy.

Self explanatory.

really?

Oh thats actually fine. And I have added a new part to my plan!

Social Policy

Have feminists publicly tortured then exucted.

Hates freedom of speech with a passion.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I meant REAL terrorists, like Al Quida, people who say people should blow up buildings or people who call for genocide or for blacks to be slaves again. Some people actually fall for stuff terrorists post online and blow up a building.

Fair enough, but who's to say future folks who come to power that has that kind of power won't use it against Communists/Capitalists/Jews/Seniors/Telemarketers/etc?

Plus, then definition becomes a sticky issue. At what point does one pass from being just "kooky" to actually being a REAL terrorist?

When sombody starts encouraging people to murder or blow things up. Like KKK members who say blacks should be killed or enslaved, or Nazis who say Jews should be murdered, or Feminists who say Men should be murdered or made slaves.

[Genivaria]

Fair enough, but who's to say future folks who come to power that has that kind of power won't use it against Communists/Capitalists/Jews/Seniors/Telemarketers/etc?

Plus, then definition becomes a sticky issue. At what point does one pass from being just "kooky" to actually being a REAL terrorist?

When sombody starts encouraging people to murder or blow things up. Like KKK members who say blacks should be killed or enslaved, or Nazis who say Jews should be murdered, or Feminists who say Men should be murdered or made slaves.

So if a member of an organization or group promotes violence then all members of that group should be censored?
Remind me how many anarchists and communists encouraged violence against the government in the past?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Mind telling me which other ideas? And please tell me how their Stalinist.

Well I decided it would be fun to see what NS thinks is the best way to solve the USA economic situation. Well NS what is it? Tax hikes? Spending cuts? Me? You can see my complete political agenda below. And please no debate on whether abortion or gay marrige are good or not, this is a thread to debate other people's plans, not debate the credibility of abortion or gay rights.

Economic policy

Create a progressive tax system taxing the rich more than the poor,

Socialistic.

cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget,

Vague fluff, so it's irelevant.

nationalise the oil industry, nationalise healthcare and provide it universal,

Socialist.

drill for oil in Alaska,

Environmentally destructive.

legalize hemp and make it a government industry.

1. Hemp is legal, so no change.
2. Socialist.

Social policy

Create a conservative social policy pushing states to illegalise abortion and gay marrige

Stalinism was socially restrictive.

as well as ensuring the death penalty is legal and highly used.

Self-explanatory.

Wow you really hate the economy dont you? Privatisation doesnt help the economy at all, eliminating all regulations will only bring things back to the depression ere Rosevelt fought to end.

Socialistic.

1:

Restrictive social policy

2:

Pro-army

5:

Hates freedom

6:

Loves army

7:
8:

Authoritarian

What? I am in favor of a Socialist economy, conservative social policies, and a conservative international policy.

Self explanatory.

Oh thats actually fine. And I have added a new part to my plan!

Social Policy

Have feminists publicly tortured then exucted.

Hates freedom of speech with a passion.

So wanting a military and a socialist economy is Stalinist? Hell is making abortion illegal restricting freedom? And of course I love army, I would want my country safe. The PATRIOT act protects Americans from terrorists, it would be "Authoritarian" to let terrorists kill innocent Americans. How is wanting to fight terrorists overseas to protect American families hating freedom? I fail to see any of your points, because there are no points.

[Genivaria]

Socialistic.

Vague fluff, so it's irelevant.

Socialist.

Environmentally destructive.

1. Hemp is legal, so no change.
2. Socialist.

Stalinism was socially restrictive.

Self-explanatory.

Socialistic.

Restrictive social policy

Pro-army

Hates freedom

Loves army

Authoritarian

Self explanatory.

Hates freedom of speech with a passion.

So wanting a military and a socialist economy is Stalinist? Hell is making abortion illegal restricting freedom? And of course I love army, I would want my country safe. The PATRIOT act protects Americans from terrorists, it would be "Authoritarian" to let terrorists kill innocent Americans. How is wanting to fight terrorists overseas to protect American families hating freedom? I fail to see any of your points, because there are no points.

-5 respect for you

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

When sombody starts encouraging people to murder or blow things up. Like KKK members who say blacks should be killed or enslaved, or Nazis who say Jews should be murdered, or Feminists who say Men should be murdered or made slaves.

So if a member of an organization or group promotes violence then all members of that group should be censored?
Remind me how many anarchists and communists encouraged violence against the government in the past?

People can be swayed to do the things these extremists want, people can be convinced to burn down a government office, or blow up a church, or kill gays or blacks or jews, or whatever from people on the internet. Im not saying all members of that group should be censored, only the extremists who support murder or violence.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

So wanting a military and a socialist economy is Stalinist? Hell is making abortion illegal restricting freedom? And of course I love army, I would want my country safe. The PATRIOT act protects Americans from terrorists, it would be "Authoritarian" to let terrorists kill innocent Americans. How is wanting to fight terrorists overseas to protect American families hating freedom? I fail to see any of your points, because there are no points.

-5 respect for you

It does, you lose respect for me because I want America to be safe from terror?

[Occupied Deutschland]

So wanting a military and a socialist economy is Stalinist? Hell is making abortion illegal restricting freedom? And of course I love army, I would want my country safe. The PATRIOT act protects Americans from terrorists, it would be "Authoritarian" to let terrorists kill innocent Americans. How is wanting to fight terrorists overseas to protect American families hating freedom? I fail to see any of your points, because there are no points.

JUST when I think I have a handle on Communist philosophy and thought, you NSG guys have to throw these curve-balls at me.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

So wanting a military and a socialist economy is Stalinist? Hell is making abortion illegal restricting freedom? And of course I love army, I would want my country safe. The PATRIOT act protects Americans from terrorists, it would be "Authoritarian" to let terrorists kill innocent Americans. How is wanting to fight terrorists overseas to protect American families hating freedom? I fail to see any of your points, because there are no points.

JUST when I think I have a handle on Communist philosophy and thought, you NSG guys have to throw these curve-balls at me.

Im only economicly Socialist/Communist. I am Conservative on almost every other measure. And im a Theist BTW.

[Genivaria]

So wanting a military and a socialist economy is Stalinist? Hell is making abortion illegal restricting freedom? And of course I love army, I would want my country safe. The PATRIOT act protects Americans from terrorists, it would be "Authoritarian" to let terrorists kill innocent Americans. How is wanting to fight terrorists overseas to protect American families hating freedom? I fail to see any of your points, because there are no points.

JUST when I think I have a handle on Communist philosophy and thought, you NSG guys have to throw these curve-balls at me.

I assure you that he does NOT represent NS communists.

[Rick Rollin]

-5 respect for you

It does, you lose respect for me because I want America to be safe from terror?

Rights are rights.

[Vault 1]

People can be swayed to do the things these extremists want

You already have been.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

It does, you lose respect for me because I want America to be safe from terror?

Rights are rights.

Is the right to be safe from terrorism not a right?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

People can be swayed to do the things these extremists want

You already have been.

What? Have I said I want people murdered for their religion or the color of their skin?

[Occupied Deutschland]

JUST when I think I have a handle on Communist philosophy and thought, you NSG guys have to throw these curve-balls at me.

Im only economicly Socialist/Communist. I am Conservative on almost every other measure. And im a Theist BTW.

I'm so confused!

Don't you experience any cognitive dissonance?

[Rick Rollin]

Rights are rights.

Is the right to be safe from terrorism not a right?

Is the right to be safe from any unjustified invasion of privacy not a right?

[Vault 1]

Is the right to be safe from terrorism not a right?

No, "positive rights" are not rights. No more than "right to a job".

You still have a right to be 100.0000000% safe from any terrorism by moving into the woods. If that's too harsh, you are already 99.999% safe from terrorism by not enlisting in the military, or 96.4% if you do enlist.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Create a progressive tax system taxing the rich more than the poor

We already have that.

cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget

Very vague. Everyone wants to cut spending, but no one wants to cut spending in the same places.

nationalise the oil industry

Because you know how good the US is at managing stuff, just look at how cost effective the post office is.

nationalise healthcare and provide it universal

So any gains made by cutting spending are going to be reversed by spending more on healthcare? It is like one step forward, two steps back.

legalize hemp and make it a government industry.

Wow, nationalizing yet more things, honestly no one would buy government sold weed.

Create a conservative social policy pushing states to illegalise abortion and gay marrige as well as ensuring the death penalty is legal and highly used.

Your political ideals are almost funny, a fiscal liberal, social conservative? Ha!

Make a semi interventionist international policy however only go to war with another country should they be directly threatening to attack US soil.

And what about countries and conflicts we are already involved with? What about direct US interests abroad?

Myself

Economic
Increase taxes, it isn't nice, it isn't a good time to do it, but we need to bite the bullet and decrease or at least slow the growth of the deficit.
Cut spending, mainly in social programs, but the military could have some spending cuts too (no, I will not arbitrarily claim "cut 50% of military spending" since that is stupid and vague, you can't just hack away at spending like a tree with an axe, you need to decide what you can and can't cut). As with above it isn't the best time, but we have to do it eventually.

Social Issues
Let the states decide since the central government isn't given that authority and I don't give a fuck

State/Central Govt. Issues
Limit the power of the central government, unless the constitution specifically says "the central government can do it" that either don't do it or pass an amendment to let it do it.

Foreign Policy
Open up with China, Russia, India, and Brazil, give Europe and Pakistan the finger, Europe is going downhill and Pakistan is a shitty ally.

Military
Shrink the overall size of the military with a large focus on a tiny, advanced, mobile force, with air and sea power to do the heavy lifting while ground forces either mop up what is left in a conventional war, or help to defeat guerrillas. Carry our military tribunals for soldiers who break the law, execute deserters and war criminals, the current state of discipline and the number of incidents in Iraq/Afghanistan makes a mockery of the US military. As for private security contractors, fire them the second they fuck up.

[Rick Rollin]

Im only economicly Socialist/Communist. I am Conservative on almost every other measure. And im a Theist BTW.

I'm so confused!

Don't you experience any cognitive dissonance?

Welcome to the world of Stalinism.

You already have been.

What? Have I said I want people murdered for their religion or the color of their skin?

No, you are a Stalinist.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Create a progressive tax system taxing the rich more than the poor

We already have that.

cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget

Very vague. Everyone wants to cut spending, but no one wants to cut spending in the same places.

nationalise the oil industry

Because you know how good the US is at managing stuff, just look at how cost effective the post office is.

nationalise healthcare and provide it universal

So any gains made by cutting spending are going to be reversed by spending more on healthcare? It is like one step forward, two steps back.

legalize hemp and make it a government industry.

Wow, nationalizing yet more things, honestly no one would buy government sold weed.

Create a conservative social policy pushing states to illegalise abortion and gay marrige as well as ensuring the death penalty is legal and highly used.

Your political ideals are almost funny, a fiscal liberal, social conservative? Ha!

Make a semi interventionist international policy however only go to war with another country should they be directly threatening to attack US soil.

And what about countries and conflicts we are already involved with? What about direct US interests abroad?

Myself

Economic
Increase taxes, it isn't nice, it isn't a good time to do it, but we need to bite the bullet and decrease or at least slow the growth of the deficit.
Cut spending, mainly in social programs, but the military could have some spending cuts too (no, I will not arbitrarily claim "cut 50% of military spending" since that is stupid and vague, you can't just hack away at spending like a tree with an axe, you need to decide what you can and can't cut). As with above it isn't the best time, but we have to do it eventually.

Social Issues
Let the states decide since the central government isn't given that authority and I don't give a fuck

State/Central Govt. Issues
Limit the power of the central government, unless the constitution specifically says "the central government can do it" that either don't do it or pass an amendment to let it do it.

Foreign Policy
Open up with China, Russia, India, and Brazil, give Europe and Pakistan the finger, Europe is going downhill and Pakistan is a shitty ally.

Military
Shrink the overall size of the military with a large focus on a tiny, advanced, mobile force, with air and sea power to do the heavy lifting while ground forces either mop up what is left in a conventional war, or help to defeat guerrillas. Carry our military tribunals for soldiers who break the law, execute deserters and war criminals, the current state of discipline and the number of incidents in Iraq/Afghanistan makes a mockery of the US military. As for private security contractors, fire them the second they fuck up.

Yes I know, I meant wealthy people paying a higher % of their income. So people will by anything from anyone BUT the government? Are Americans afraid to buy from the government? And I would keep current wars going on until we win then bring the troops back, then if Iran or North Korea gets nuclear weapons and threatens to use them I will not hesitate to bomb them into dust and march troops across their countries, then if we go to war with them I would have their countries forcibly annexed and made USA territories, Iranian oil would benifit the economy. And to be more specific with the spending, I would cut social security, the US spends enough on it, I would abolish Medicare and Medicaid as healthcare would be universal anyway, I would cut subsidies to Solar and Wind energy, I would trim subsidies to coal, I would cease subsidies to natural gas, and if I knew all USA spending I could give you a better list of spending cuts. And fiscal liberals are pro capitalism, I am a fiscal socialist.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I'm so confused!

Don't you experience any cognitive dissonance?

Welcome to the world of Stalinism.

What? Have I said I want people murdered for their religion or the color of their skin?

No, you are a Stalinist.

Im not a fucking Stalinist.

[Genivaria]

Welcome to the world of Stalinism.

No, you are a Stalinist.

Im not a fucking Stalinist.

No not quite. But you ARE an authoritarian. And thats bad enough for me.

[Rick Rollin]

So people will by anything from anyone BUT the government? Are Americans afraid to buy from the government?

Government services tend to suck, so yeah.

And I would keep current wars going on until we win then bring the troops back, then if Iran or North Korea gets nuclear weapons and threatens to use them I will not hesitate to bomb them into dust and march troops across their countries, then if we go to war with them I would have their countries forcibly annexed and made USA territories, Iranian oil would benifit the economy. And to be more specific with the spending, I would cut social security, the US spends enough on it, I would abolish Medicare and Medicaid as healthcare would be universal anyway, I would cut subsidies to Solar and Wind energy, I would trim subsidies to coal, I would cease subsidies to natural gas, and if I knew all USA spending I could give you a better list of spending cuts. And fiscal liberals are pro capitalism, I am a fiscal socialist.

Standard soviet practice.

Welcome to the world of Stalinism.

No, you are a Stalinist.

Im not a fucking Stalinist.

You have have repeatedly proven yourself to be one.

However, since you are so thick skulled, there is only one way to solve this dispute: Do you support central planning?