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Postby Hittanryan » Fri May 11, 2012 9:47 am

The Mercenary Peoples wrote:1. Institute a Flat tax system.
2. Apply tariffs on foreign goods and use those to pay off debt
3. Pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq because at this point we have been there too long to really go back and do it right and out right oppress the nation.
4. Make it a national mission like the "put a man on the moon" mission JFK had to develop a economic synthetic oil alternative to power our nation in 10 years (15 max).
5. Severely cut back on the EPA and its unending list of regulations.
6. Take military forces and stick them on the borders
7. Overall Immigration system and make so if you are already in the nation with no criminal background you can be made a citizen
8. Enforce current Immigration laws.
9. Make English the official language of government, trade, law, and education in the US
10. Privatize the TSA
11. Lift bans on automatic firearms and imported weapons
12. Focus on eliminating useless sub departments in the government
13. Uncensor the internet via law.
14. In the UN the US must start to act like a superpower and throw its weight around in it own favor and not so much for "the good of other nations"
15. Overhaul Social Security and streamline it

Overall I think its a good list that has a snowballs chance in hell of even partially coming to pass.

What a fucking joke. Bankrupt the country on useless wars and a terrible tax plan, destroy the environment, waste money on synthetic oil instead of just getting off of it in the first place, protectionism, imperialism, privatized national security.
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Postby Vaklor » Fri May 11, 2012 11:08 am

Hmm. It seems that if someones plan doesn't involve converting the country to full Socialism, it sucks.
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Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

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Postby Haydn » Fri May 11, 2012 11:11 am

Make Americans stop posting hate comments on YouTube about Britain.
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Fri May 11, 2012 11:15 am

>Economic Policy
kill the federal reserve, pour lighter fluid on its metaphorical corpse, and throw in a match for good measure.
kill the power of wall street, but do nothing else, because the government fucking KILLS EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES. anti-midas.
>Social policy
Liberal use (yes, yes, corny pun) of the death penalty
legalize all drugs; it is not the governments business how i kill myself; the same argument for abortion (Muh body muh choice) can be used for drugs.
Abortion is also murder, now.
Gay marriage is a no. they have 100% of the rights as straight couples, and need nothing more. 40/50 states agree.

>international policy
do nothing. see anti midas. keep the military on top. unless attacked and it is proven that (country) attacked us, we will do nothing for (country)s affairs. calling this isolationism is like called me a hermit for not letting my neighbor knock on my windows at 2 in the morning.
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Fri May 11, 2012 11:17 am

Vaklor wrote:Hmm. It seems that if someones plan doesn't involve converting the country to full Socialism, it sucks.


Socialism?
>economic stagnation
>social 'equality' through universal poverty
>oppressive tyrannical government
>regulations on free speech
>ridiculously high taxes
>system that enables and encourages leeches

i think that we can safely cross this one out...

Haydn wrote:Make Americans stop posting hate comments on YouTube about Britain.


what was that Britain? America cant hear you FROM THE MOON!
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Postby Amacia » Fri May 11, 2012 11:20 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Ronald Reagan sure didnt.

Which is why I wonder why so many people appreciate the guy.

Clinton didn't have a surplus either, but did slow the debt down
Sorry, I can't find the original unbiased site I found it on, but if you look at the debt numbers, it was still growing.
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Fri May 11, 2012 11:22 am

Amacia wrote:
Divair wrote:Which is why I wonder why so many people appreciate the guy.

[urlhttp://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_the_last_time_the_US_had_a_budget_surplus]Clinton didn't have a surplus either, but did slow the debt down[/url]
Sorry, I can't find the original unbiased site I found it on, but if you look at the debt numbers, it was still growing.


there has only been one time in American history we had a surplus.

Thank Andrew Jackson.
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Postby Vaklor » Fri May 11, 2012 11:23 am

The Aryan Nations wrote:
Vaklor wrote:Hmm. It seems that if someones plan doesn't involve converting the country to full Socialism, it sucks.


Socialism?
>economic stagnation
>social 'equality' through universal poverty
>oppressive tyrannical government
>regulations on free speech
>ridiculously high taxes
>system that enables and encourages leeches

I was being sarcastic. I'm not advocating Socialism; I've just noticed whenever someone posts a non-Socialist plan, people say "It sucks! Worst plan ever!!"
I am a center-right social libertarian.

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Postby Amacia » Fri May 11, 2012 11:35 am

The Aryan Nations wrote:
Amacia wrote:[urlhttp://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_the_last_time_the_US_had_a_budget_surplus]Clinton didn't have a surplus either, but did slow the debt down[/url]
Sorry, I can't find the original unbiased site I found it on, but if you look at the debt numbers, it was still growing.


there has only been one time in American history we had a surplus.

Thank Andrew Jackson.

No, it was good 'ol Ike.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri May 11, 2012 11:39 am

Amacia wrote:
The Aryan Nations wrote:
there has only been one time in American history we had a surplus.

Thank Andrew Jackson.

No, it was good 'ol Ike.

You're both wrong. Surpluses were not that uncommon. http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php
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Postby Amacia » Fri May 11, 2012 11:45 am

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Postby ImperialistSalvia » Fri May 11, 2012 11:54 am

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I'd rather be a potato-eating, ginger Irishman.


C'mon, England's not that bad :p

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri May 11, 2012 11:55 am

Haydn wrote:Make Americans stop posting hate comments on YouTube about Britain.


It's funny, though.

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Postby Vulpae » Fri May 11, 2012 1:50 pm

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Ronald Reagan sure didnt.

Which is why I wonder why so many people appreciate the guy.

because he had two major things, charm (natural chrisima, or whatever you want to discribe it as) and a pair of balls when his predicessor was seen as a weakling, (key word seen.) he ran an excellent PR campain, and a lot of currently wealthy people came into their wealth under his administration.
so when they look back a lot of the Grand Oldies of the Grand Old Party make him out to be some savior of the right, and thus right wing politicans rightly or wrongly try to emulate the legend not the man.

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Postby Nidaria » Fri May 11, 2012 2:00 pm

Vulpae wrote:
Divair wrote:Which is why I wonder why so many people appreciate the guy.

because he had two major things, charm (natural chrisima, or whatever you want to discribe it as) and a pair of balls when his predicessor was seen as a weakling, (key word seen.) he ran an excellent PR campain, and a lot of currently wealthy people came into their wealth under his administration.
so when they look back a lot of the Grand Oldies of the Grand Old Party make him out to be some savior of the right, and thus right wing politicans rightly or wrongly try to emulate the legend not the man.

In addition, his military spending bankrupted the Soviet Union as they tried to keep up. Unfortunately, his successor did not reduce military spending after the USSR collapsed, so we are bankrupt as well.
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Postby Rick Rollin » Fri May 11, 2012 5:27 pm

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Rick Rollin wrote:There has been a serious fall in patents, an increasing proportion of which are not supposed to be patentable, and I have yet to see a breakthrough in anything since the Atomic Age. Also, my jetpack.

There are jetpacks, not enough people want to buy them. I'd consider the Kindle/eBook to big, we don't have to cut down as many trees. And technically the Atomic Age is still ongoing.

Though we could be doing a lot better.

The ebook was not big. I still have a giant bookshelf.

Also, that jetpack ain't very cheap. And price decrease is what technological innovation does best.
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The Aryan Nations wrote:
Amacia wrote:[urlhttp://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_the_last_time_the_US_had_a_budget_surplus]Clinton didn't have a surplus either, but did slow the debt down[/url]
Sorry, I can't find the original unbiased site I found it on, but if you look at the debt numbers, it was still growing.


there has only been one time in American history we had a surplus no debt.

Thank Andrew Jackson.

Corrected. And even then, he had to borrow next year.
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Divair wrote:Which is why I wonder why so many people appreciate the guy.

because he had two major things, charm (natural chrisima, or whatever you want to discribe it as) and a pair of balls when his predicessor was seen as a weakling, (key word seen.) he ran an excellent PR campain, and a lot of currently wealthy people came into their wealth under his administration.

so when they look back a lot of the Grand Oldies of the Grand Old Party make him out to be some savior of the right, and thus right wing politicans rightly or wrongly try to emulate the legend not the man.

Those 'balls' of Reagan were fake.
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Vulpae wrote:because he had two major things, charm (natural chrisima, or whatever you want to discribe it as) and a pair of balls when his predicessor was seen as a weakling, (key word seen.) he ran an excellent PR campain, and a lot of currently wealthy people came into their wealth under his administration.
so when they look back a lot of the Grand Oldies of the Grand Old Party make him out to be some savior of the right, and thus right wing politicans rightly or wrongly try to emulate the legend not the man.

In addition, his military spending bankrupted the Soviet Union as they tried to keep up. Unfortunately, his successor did not reduce military spending after the USSR collapsed, so we are bankrupt as well.

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Postby Vonrittnerland » Fri May 11, 2012 10:42 pm

Vonrittnerland wrote:-Restructure, lower, flatten and simplify the tax code to three brackets for income and two brackets for businesses and get rid of all loopholes, deductions, and so on. In particular the corporate tax rate, one of the highest in the world, should be reduced.
-Encourage expansion of health care through state-based plans and repeal the current law which is unconstitutional
-Cut spending across the board including military spending, Medicare, and Social Security
-Reform Social Security by raising the retirement age to 70 for people whose jobs don't involve physical labour
-Eliminate farm subsidies
-Encourage free trade pacts with other nations
-Encourage energy independence by building more nuclear power plants
-Build a national high speed railway system
-Introduce line item veto for the President
-Legalize marijuana and decriminalize hard drugs
-Reduce the drinking age to 18
-Ban abortion for most reasons except to save the life of the mother, rape, and incest
-Leave gay marriage to the states
-Adopt a doctrine that says the US will not tolerate genocide anywehre in the world
-Cut off aid to Pakistan and ally with India against China and Pakistan


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Postby Divair » Sat May 12, 2012 3:31 am

Vonrittnerland wrote:
Vonrittnerland wrote:-Restructure, lower, flatten and simplify the tax code to three brackets for income and two brackets for businesses and get rid of all loopholes, deductions, and so on. In particular the corporate tax rate, one of the highest in the world, should be reduced.
-Encourage expansion of health care through state-based plans and repeal the current law which is unconstitutional
-Cut spending across the board including military spending, Medicare, and Social Security
-Reform Social Security by raising the retirement age to 70 for people whose jobs don't involve physical labour
-Eliminate farm subsidies
-Encourage free trade pacts with other nations
-Encourage energy independence by building more nuclear power plants
-Build a national high speed railway system
-Introduce line item veto for the President
-Legalize marijuana and decriminalize hard drugs
-Reduce the drinking age to 18
-Ban abortion for most reasons except to save the life of the mother, rape, and incest
-Leave gay marriage to the states
-Adopt a doctrine that says the US will not tolerate genocide anywehre in the world
-Cut off aid to Pakistan and ally with India against China and Pakistan


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Disagree with lowering taxes, banning abortion, leaving gay marriage to the states, leaving healthcare to the states, and lowering spending for social security & Medicaid. Oh, and that doctrine better not involve interventionism all over the place.

The rest is pretty good.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat May 12, 2012 6:44 am

Vonrittnerland wrote:-Restructure, lower, flatten and simplify the tax code to three brackets for income and two brackets for businesses and get rid of all loopholes, deductions, and so on. In particular the corporate tax rate, one of the highest in the world, should be reduced.
-Encourage expansion of health care through state-based plans and repeal the current law which is unconstitutional
-Cut spending across the board including military spending, Medicare, and Social Security
-Reform Social Security by raising the retirement age to 70 for people whose jobs don't involve physical labour
-Eliminate farm subsidies
-Encourage free trade pacts with other nations
-Encourage energy independence by building more nuclear power plants
-Build a national high speed railway system
-Introduce line item veto for the President
-Legalize marijuana and decriminalize hard drugs
-Reduce the drinking age to 18
-Ban abortion for most reasons except to save the life of the mother, rape, and incest
-Leave gay marriage to the states
-Adopt a doctrine that says the US will not tolerate genocide anywehre in the world
-Cut off aid to Pakistan and ally with India against China and Pakistan

1:Disagree with a lowered flat tax
2:Not sure what that means but I approve of ditching Obamacare
3:Greatly disagree with cutting the military, slightly disagree with cutting social security
4:Agree with raising retirement age
5:Strongly disagree with eliminating subsidies to America's farm industry, without it America would have to import crops
6:Neutral
7:Strongly agree with building nuclear plants
8:Agree
9:Neutral
10:Strongly disagree with legalising any kind of drug
11:Disagree, alchohol should be illegal
12:Agree with a ban on abortion
13:Neutral
14:Agree to an extent
15:Agree
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Postby Rick Rollin » Sat May 12, 2012 7:08 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:3:Greatly disagree with cutting the military, slightly disagree with cutting social security

Then you ain't getting a surplus.
5:Strongly disagree with eliminating subsidies to America's farm industry, without it America would have to import crops

They're paid to not plant.
10:Strongly disagree with legalising any kind of drug
11:Disagree, alchohol should be illegal
12:Agree with a ban on abortion

I have natural rights that cannot be violated. Bodily autonomy is one of those.
14:Agree to an extent

It's not genocide if you kill the Polish.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 12, 2012 7:10 am

Rick Rollin wrote:It's not genocide if you kill the Polish.

Thank you! :clap:
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