Your plan for America?

[Noobubersland]

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Well, it's Alberta for god's sake, it's not their fault that they're rabidly conservative, it's how they've been indoctrinated

How about Alberta becomes independent instead of Quebec?

but then the boarders wouldn't look pretty! But they actually do have an independence party, all provinces have one

[Divair]

We should have a Canada thread.

[Noobubersland]

We should have a Canada thread.

I'll do it

[Vaklor]

Without the "Evil evil government" society could not function at all.

Then why in the hell are you a communist, when communism seeks to establish a stateless society?!

[Vulpae]

not to mention canada didn't have to go toe to toe playing "The Great Game" with the Soviet Union for a few generations. Most nations compete, but canada kind of sat out a lot of events on the world stage, and focused inward. a number of scandinavian nations did that as well, kept their guard up, but tried not to get involved.

by the way you two, the opinion of many americans depends on the generation and state. for example I live in New Hampshire, and most of the older generation lean right, having thrived under regan and had to deal with the cold war and russia breathing down their necks.
the current generation tends to be far less consertive having grown up in an era when extremisim and far right polices lead to military disaster.
there is a reason many of obama's supporters came from the newest crop of voters, and a reason you never see anyone under 30, and rarely under 40 at a tea party rally.
and save the Old Guard and Fundimentalists (I'm religious but I'm not a funde) even those on the right don't care about conservitive "buzzwords" like abortion, gay marrage, etc. my state passed a bill allowing the civil unions and like only 20 people actually stood outside protesting.
Fox is probably the most unpopular station among the up and coming generation, not to mention the republican party has basicly told my generation to "fuck off and pay our bills while we spend and cut taxes at the same time."

about the only guys left after this generation might the patroit movement and those guys'd rather hide in the hills and bitch about "da immigrants tak'n da jobs we don't want to do" they also hate the government so they rarely vote.

I doubt they'll make any headway in the election, people might not like obama like they used to, but he's done far more right than bush ever did.

[Vaklor]

having thrived under reagan

America did not thrive under Reagan.

[Vulpae]

no it didn't... but the economy in new england got a shot in the arm, so a lot of older people remember it as "da good ol days" of course crporate america has been pissing on northern new england and the rust belt ever since.
not to mention a lot of 40+ generation still get their information through the TV.

[Noobubersland]

not to mention canada didn't have to go toe to toe playing "The Great Game" with the Soviet Union for a few generations. Most nations compete, but canada kind of sat out a lot of events on the world stage, and focused inward. a number of scandinavian nations did that as well, kept their guard up, but tried not to get involved.

Korea? Supporting other bullshit American adventures? We did a lot of stuff during the cold war, you just never hear about it

[Prussia-Steinbach]

having thrived under reagan

America did not thrive under Reagan.

[Antebellus]

Go back to our original ideals... and get the Democrats out of congress.

[Noobubersland]

Go back to our original ideals... and get the Democrats out of congress.

Slavery and repression?

[Rick Rollin]

really?

Oh thats actually fine. And I have added a new part to my plan!

Social Policy

Have feminists publicly tortured then exucted.

Authoritarianism in the service of 'family values'.

Without the "Evil evil government" society could not function at all.

Then why in the hell are you a communist, when communism seeks to establish a stateless society?!

Hey, Marx ain't the only commie. You might want to take a look at this new derivative called 'Stalinism'.

[Vulpae]

sorry if that sounded harsher than I meant it noobubersland.
I meant that unlike the U.S. canada was not the main combatant in the cold war with the U.S.S.R. canada comitted to korea and a number of other things. but your government wasn't fighting a shadow war with an enemy superpower across the globe ever since the end of WW2.

fighting a war like that does things to people, growing up being told all socialists want to nuke you (because the enemy nation was a communist buracratic state, which all told was more agressive and biligerant towards the rest of the world and the US than the US ever was.) doesn't do good things for your opinion of progressive policies even after the USSR died.
The old cold warriors are passing away, but they aren't going quietly to the next generation's ideas

[Noobubersland]

sorry if that sounded harsher than I meant it noobubersland.
I meant that unlike the U.S. canada was not the main combatant in the cold war with the U.S.S.R. canada comitted to korea and a number of other things. but your government wasn't fighting a shadow war with an enemy superpower across the globe ever since the end of WW2.

fighting a war like that does things to people, growing up being told all socialists want to nuke you (because the enemy nation was a communist buracratic state, which all told was more agressive and biligerant towards the rest of the world and the US than the US ever was.) doesn't do good things for your opinion of progressive policies even after the USSR died.
The old cold warriors are passing away, but they aren't going quietly to the next generation's ideas

We did fight a shadow war, just a smaller, quieter one

[Vulpae]

I'll have to look into that then, I knew about the overt assistance, but I guess other people's covern ops doesn't make it into the history books.

[Arumdaum]

Oh thats actually fine. And I have added a new part to my plan!

Social Policy

Have feminists publicly tortured then exucted.

Authoritarianism in the service of 'family values'.

Then why in the hell are you a communist, when communism seeks to establish a stateless society?!

Hey, Marx ain't the only commie. You might want to take a look at this new derivative called 'Stalinism'.

Yet the USSR under Stalin wasn't communist. ;o

Being stateless is one of the central tenets of communism.

[Rick Rollin]

Authoritarianism in the service of 'family values'.

Hey, Marx ain't the only commie. You might want to take a look at this new derivative called 'Stalinism'.

Yet the USSR under Stalin wasn't communist. ;o

Being stateless is one of the central tenets of communism.

Marxism isn't the only communism.

[Arumdaum]

Yet the USSR under Stalin wasn't communist. ;o

Being stateless is one of the central tenets of communism.

Marxism isn't the only communism.

As a non-Marxist communist, I agree.

But that's irrelevant to my post.

[Noobubersland]

Both of you, socialism has to happen in all countries before communism, so talking about it for now is pointless

[Rick Rollin]

Marxism isn't the only communism.

As a non-Marxist communist, I agree.

But that's irrelevant to my post.

Fine, authoritarian Blanquism.

[Rick Rollin]

America did not thrive under Reagan.

The Eighties were one of the worst decades in the century.

[Vulpae]

born in 88 myself from here it sounds miserable.
I remember clinton, not a good military leader, couldn't keep it in his pants either, but some of his stuff worked. the treasury department made great strides too...
we had a surplus before bush came into office... now we have the largest national debt in our history

the only good thing I can say about bush is that I wouldn't have wanted Al-gore as president on 9/11 concidering how he acts these days

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I agree that there are different forms of Communism, but I tend to refer to Soviet Russia's system of - well, everything - as Stalinism, arguably the worst economic system and form of government ever to have been created.

True Communism is not totalitarian.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

we had a surplus before bush came into office...

Are you saying the U.S. wasn't in debt before Bush?

[Noobubersland]

I agree that there are different forms of Communism, but I tend to refer to Soviet Russia's system of - well, everything - as Stalinism, arguably the worst economic system and form of government ever to have been created.

True Communism is not totalitarian.

True Communism is basically anarchy