Your plan for America?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

1. Higer taxes for the rich and lower for the poor
2. Illegalize conservatism and liberalism
3. Remove the army
4. Make it part of England again

Communitas pares victoria

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[Angermanland]

step one: completely revise economic theory and policy on the basis that the USA is, for all meaningful intents and purposes, Economically, an Empire.

realise the catastrophic fail that brings.

reorganize and reanalyze data treating it as a collection of city states, economically speaking.

suddenly realise that the reasons for all the problems are a lot more logical than you thought, the solutions make a hell of a lot more sense, and it's a heck of a lot easier to implement.

tell the big corporations to sod off (using artillery if necessary) and IMPLIMENT these necessary economic changes.

realise that your lobbying system is corruption at it's most basic level. categorize it properly as such. realise that the USA is too bloody big to be run by a single government which takes any role beyond sorting out disputes between lower level entities and organizing external defences and such. properly reorganize the governmental system in light of this. (hint: the USA is big enough that it probably needs four layers to achieve this properly, the smallest one being a city-region. and the middle to exist purely so that no level is large enough to ignore those below it.)

having clearly defined corruption in a meaningful way, instituting highly ironic capital punishment for corruption in government. (no, this is not in any way supposed to be 'humane')

cut so called 'defense' budget. massively. constant military production is detrimental to the economy (exports produced and sent to 'cities' (bases) which do not, cannot, and never will, replace them with local production (thus fueling growth. admittedly, with good reason) and technological development (the tech acceleration comes from Alternating between military and civilian applications. )

disband, completely, the entire MESS that is the US intelligence agencies. reform them with far more clearly defined and limited roles, ONE for internal stuff and ONE for external stuff. the usefulness of the Internal one being seperate from the police force is debateable.

have most of your current congressmen/senators/bureaucrats shot/hung/whatever for treasonous levels of incompitence and/or corruption. (not All, mind you.)

overhaul the system granting corporations their charters to limit their maxium size and scope, and make VERY clear that profits are a METHOD, not a goal. eliminate corporate personhood. someone made the decision, someone took the action, hit THOSE people when crimes are committed. (it's the only way you're ever going to get punishments for crimes by corporations that aren't just written off as a 'cost of business' by the big ones AND don't cause undue and excessive harm to anyone less powerful.)

the list goes on and on and on, but it mostly comes down to 'be more economically competent' 'be more just' 'don't be sock-puppets for the corporations'.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

GOOD
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step one: completely revise economic theory and policy on the basis that the USA is, for all meaningful intents and purposes, Economically, an Empire.

realise the catastrophic fail that brings.

reorganize and reanalyze data treating it as a collection of city states, economically speaking.

suddenly realise that the reasons for all the problems are a lot more logical than you thought, the solutions make a hell of a lot more sense, and it's a heck of a lot easier to implement.

tell the big corporations to sod off (using artillery if necessary) and IMPLIMENT these necessary economic changes.

realise that your lobbying system is corruption at it's most basic level. categorize it properly as such. realise that the USA is too bloody big to be run by a single government which takes any role beyond sorting out disputes between lower level entities and organizing external defences and such. properly reorganize the governmental system in light of this. (hint: the USA is big enough that it probably needs four layers to achieve this properly, the smallest one being a city-region. and the middle to exist purely so that no level is large enough to ignore those below it.)

having clearly defined corruption in a meaningful way, instituting highly ironic capital punishment for corruption in government. (no, this is not in any way supposed to be 'humane')
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cut so called 'defense' budget. massively. constant military production is detrimental to the economy (exports produced and sent to 'cities' (bases) which do not, cannot, and never will, replace them with local production (thus fueling growth. admittedly, with good reason) and technological development (the tech acceleration comes from Alternating between military and civilian applications. )

disband, completely, the entire MESS that is the US intelligence agencies. reform them with far more clearly defined and limited roles, ONE for internal stuff and ONE for external stuff. the usefulness of the Internal one being seperate from the police force is debateable.

have most of your current congressmen/senators/bureaucrats shot/hung/whatever for treasonous levels of incompitence and/or corruption. (not All, mind you.)

overhaul the system granting corporations their charters to limit their maxium size and scope, and make VERY clear that profits are a METHOD, not a goal. eliminate corporate personhood. someone made the decision, someone took the action, hit THOSE people when crimes are committed. (it's the only way you're ever going to get punishments for crimes by corporations that aren't just written off as a 'cost of business' by the big ones AND don't cause undue and excessive harm to anyone less powerful.)

the list goes on and on and on, but it mostly comes down to 'be more economically competent' 'be more just' 'don't be sock-puppets for the corporations'.
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[Al-Harbiyyah]

My Plan for America:

1. Illegalized Abortion and Gay Marriage.
2. Cut the Military Budget and divert the funding to Welfare project.
3. Withdraw support from the Zionist Government of Israel.
4. Acknowledge the Nation of Palestine.
5. Dropped the 'War on Terrorism' Policy.
6. Recall every American Servicemen and women from all bases to strengthen the Nations Defense.
7. Allow freedom of the Internet. (End Internet Censorship and return back Megaupload)
8. Repeal the Patriot Act.


that's all

holyshizkoff...
do you know how badly that would end for the US and the world in general?

1. protests in the east, riots in the west, support in the old south, most americans under 40 honestly don't give a damn who you marry so long as you don't violate their rights. and by banning it on the federal level you are doing just that.

2. total welfare states are a bad idea, while a net is ideal, a cushy cradle causes problems as we now see in england where there are entire families who devote their lives to getting bigger payouts and haven't worked in generations. France, or worse yet greece who was a welfare state. I'd prefer somthing more like denmark.

3. so... Zionist? god, that stuff was first cooked up by the germans and exported during WW2, it was basicly a big peice for "the jews want to destroy us and build their own nation in our place, so we must destroy them first!"
the problem with isreal in my opinion is parinoia, the current generation of leadership grew up living in fear that every arab wants to shoot/stab/reduce them to atomic ash/gas them/blow them up/other merdery war-crimes related things to them and their children. I'd be in favor of a regime change but the main problem with removing them is that just because you are parinoid doesn't mean people aren't out to actually kill you.
4. good idea, though the current Hesbulla government prevents this, they and other groups like them claim to be fighting for arab freedom. to be honest their tactics, hypocritical actions, and retotic almost mirror the now dying KKK in the southern U.S., the only diffrence is their level or ordance and skin color.

in reference to these two, if both states and those around them accepted that each has a right to exist their people would be less parinoid about each other, and some real progress and discussion might be made.

5. sadly that could never happen, 9/11 and attempted attacks on US soil and civilans since then have only made the policy in question more entrenched. the "war on terror" is more of a war on extremeists who threaten the U.S. all the other things the U.S. has tried, limited engagement, diplomacy, appeasement, embargos, alliances, etc. our ever changing policies duing the cold war also earned us no friends in the middle east. when the US was attacked on 9/11, osama bin ladin and his terrorist group had to be dealt with, by force if need be. when the taliban refused to turn him over, no person in the US would have accepted "oh well guys, they said no, so he gets away with crashing planes into buildings and killing american civilans."

6. in Europe? Asia? South America? Iceland? in many places where the US is an ally with, or who whose people have actually asked for our help? to be honest with the end of the cold war the US as withdrawn from most bases and turned them over to local authorities, the remaining major ones that you could find just by wiki them are...
The German Base: mostly goodwill, a sign of our comittment to our european allies, the younger euros in france and britian might complain about it but the germans are fine with it.
The Japanese base: since the end of WW2 the base in japan as served as a staging ground for Asian operations including the protection of both Japan and Korea. both nations might want a drawdown in troop numbers, but nobody wants us gone.
The Icelandic Base: small, mostly unused now that the USSR fell, it does however act as a missle shield "just in case" the impact on the surrounding area is neglible and the government doesn't want to bother funding a military anyways.

other than that the US operates from mostly aircraft carriers these days, transports taking goods and weapons to foreward bases once established. Static targets present too much of a target anyways.

7. no problems there, it's mostly free from censorship in the states, unless cencored by the provider, but most access depends on parentel locks. moreover a lot of places have incredible protections against viral and hacking attacks. (no security is perfect mind you)

8. the patriot act was a major problem, it increases the power of the presidental office and military and civilan police forces greatly, it passed because the U.S. was at war at the time, and to a lesser degree still is, and every military action cannot be approved by congress if the country is to react quickly. It must be repealed the instant it is no longer needed, the problem is building up the political captial to do so.

9. adding to this we should shut down Gitmo, and put the people there on trial. these are men captured in warfare, and should be subject to the military courts, the files should be open to congress, and the supreme court, as should the proceedings. we must seperate the real criminals and monsters from those who were sold up the river by people trying to cash in on the bounties.

But I seriously suggest to drop the War on Terror policy because Osama has been dealt with right? We just leave the Counter-Terror to the rest of the World who HAS A Counter-Terrorist Unit. Besides, allowing other nation to counter terrorism can conserve more manpower and resources of the US to focused at other things rather than searching more terrorists in other countries.

Oh and second, probably about the Israel-Pelstinian problem is this...change of government of both Israel and Palestine. The Hamas probably has agreed to join Fattah and possibli allow Fattah to lead while the Israel government should be changed for a more...tolerable ones.

[Vulpae]

1. Higer taxes for the rich and lower for the poor
2. Illegalize conservatism and liberalism
3. Remove the army
4. Make it part of England again

Communitas pares victoria

if properly represented:
Labor and the Conservitive Parties in england get a huge influx of voters, parliment is forced to add thousands of seats for it's new members, the "American Bloc" vastly outnumbers english ministers in all by the house of lords by weight of population alone, in effect loosing influence to it's new "cololinal" members.
The English government is suddenly one of the most powerful groups on the planet, with the wealth, industry, and materal forces of the north america (from nominally controling US and canada)
The British military recieves a number of new recruits, weapons, and military forces from fomer US forces.
people complain on internet forums about how "everything in the world is england's fault"

if not properly represented in english parliment
War of Independence Round 2 due to poor policies and ignoring of american needs, this time american military persionell, materal, equipment, and training are at least nominally superior, weight of numbers tells again with loyalist sentiment in america is non-existant and the british military outnumbered 10 to one on every front. not to mention american industrial might, which while a bit rusty would be easily marshled to independence.

[Death Metal]

Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzYduoIulo&feature=relmfu

Rebuttal: http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/849/hoganenzui.jpg

[Vulpae]

But I seriously suggest to drop the War on Terror policy because Osama has been dealt with right? We just leave the Counter-Terror to the rest of the World who HAS A Counter-Terrorist Unit. Besides, allowing other nation to counter terrorism can conserve more manpower and resources of the US to focused at other things rather than searching more terrorists in other countries.

Oh and second, probably about the Israel-Pelstinian problem is this...change of government of both Israel and Palestine. The Hamas probably has agreed to join Fattah and possibli allow Fattah to lead while the Israel government should be changed for a more...tolerable ones.

I agree on both points!
the problem in many US minds is that UN counter-terrorisim doesn't seem to be as effective as it should be. However we should get the rest of the world involved in preventing such things, maybe investing in joining and assisting the task force instead of going it alone all the damn time.
With the wars in Iraq and Afganistan wrapping up, hopefully with no more foulups (thanks for mucking up iraq Donald and making a mess good soldiers had to clean up "ignore local politics, we'll be greeted as liberators" my red white and blue backside.) and with Osama Bin Ladin and many of his top lutenants now sporting new cranial holes, the world and america can turn to brighter days.
like him or hate him Pres. Barack did the right thing sending seal team 6. maybe if bush had done that instead of invading a second country while we're still fixing up the first, this might've been over a heck of a lot faster and with less loss of life.

[Vonrittnerland]

-Restructure, lower, flatten and simplify the tax code to three brackets for income and two brackets for businesses and get rid of all loopholes, deductions, and so on. In particular the corporate tax rate, one of the highest in the world, should be reduced.
-Encourage expansion of health care through state-based plans and repeal the current law which is unconstitutional
-Cut spending across the board including military spending, Medicare, and Social Security
-Reform Social Security by raising the retirement age to 70 for people whose jobs don't involve physical labour
-Eliminate farm subsidies
-Encourage free trade pacts with other nations
-Encourage energy independence by building more nuclear power plants
-Build a national high speed railway system
-Introduce line item veto for the President
-Legalize marijuana and decriminalize hard drugs
-Reduce the drinking age to 18
-Ban abortion for most reasons except to save the life of the mother, rape, and incest
-Leave gay marriage to the states
-Adopt a doctrine that says the US will not tolerate genocide anywehre in the world
-Cut off aid to Pakistan and ally with India against China and Pakistan

[Al-Harbiyyah]

But I seriously suggest to drop the War on Terror policy because Osama has been dealt with right? We just leave the Counter-Terror to the rest of the World who HAS A Counter-Terrorist Unit. Besides, allowing other nation to counter terrorism can conserve more manpower and resources of the US to focused at other things rather than searching more terrorists in other countries.

Oh and second, probably about the Israel-Pelstinian problem is this...change of government of both Israel and Palestine. The Hamas probably has agreed to join Fattah and possibli allow Fattah to lead while the Israel government should be changed for a more...tolerable ones.

I agree on both points!
the problem in many US minds is that UN counter-terrorisim doesn't seem to be as effective as it should be. However we should get the rest of the world involved in preventing such things, maybe investing in joining and assisting the task force instead of going it alone all the damn time.
With the wars in Iraq and Afganistan wrapping up, hopefully with no more foulups (thanks for mucking up iraq Donald and making a mess good soldiers had to clean up "ignore local politics, we'll be greeted as liberators" my red white and blue backside.) and with Osama Bin Ladin and many of his top lutenants now sporting new cranial holes, the world and america can turn to brighter days.
like him or hate him Pres. Barack did the right thing sending seal team 6. maybe if bush had done that instead of invading a second country while we're still fixing up the first, this might've been over a heck of a lot faster and with less loss of life.

Uhuh, that's the point. Besides, invading another country after Afghanistan? Stupid....Invading Iran, BIG MISTAKE...only a 10 year old that has brainwashed by the media will think of that.

[Death Metal]

You know, for all the claims that Obama is politicizing over Bin Laden...

At least he didn't fly onto an air carrier to declare victory over terrorism without any Al Qaeda leaders killed, went after a man with no links to Al Qaeda or the Taliban but wasn't caught by Daddy, used the capture of this man as his entire basis for re-election, then when actual credible evidence of Bin Laden's location is revealed completely ignore it because Pakistan doesn't have enough oil.

Of course, I say Obama deserves to gloat, because he was the only one with the balls to actually order the operation. For what FOXheads say was a "duh" decision, it was something that nobody else in power was willing to do...

[Angermanland]

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the list goes on and on and on, but it mostly comes down to 'be more economically competent' 'be more just' 'don't be sock-puppets for the corporations'.
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really?

edit: also, a lot of the budget cut in defense spending would be the result of less corrupt processes of awarding contracts and such.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

really?

Oh thats actually fine. And I have added a new part to my plan!

Social Policy

Have feminists publicly tortured then exucted.

[Death Metal]

So, authoritarian with a dash of dystopian police state now.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

1. Higer taxes for the rich and lower for the poor

To remove the incentive to make more money and help the economy?

2. Illegalize conservatism and liberalism

What else is there? Fascism?

3. Remove the army

That is the stupidest idea voiced in this thread.

4. Make it part of England again

Do you mean, return the States to the status of British colonies?

Communitas pares victoria

Tuum consilium est stultus

[Vulpae]

tax incestives for the wealthy work so long as it encourages them to invest the money they have into the economy properly instead of scamming the system and tucking it away.
it is when the wealthy hoard their wealth and just let it sit there that it causes problems. liquid assets must flow in order to create wealth for all classes stagnation brings decay and misery.

they should use that money to invest in smaller companies (taking a share of the profits as the reward), to build great works of industry and infastructure, to develop new advances in science. and of course pay taxes so the government can do the same things when they are in the public, not private interist.

[Farnhamia]

tax incestives for the wealthy work so long as it encourages them to invest the money they have into the economy properly instead of scamming the system and tucking it away.
it is when the wealthy hoard their wealth and just let it sit there that it causes problems. liquid assets must flow in order to create wealth for all classes stagnation brings decay and misery.

they should use that money to invest in smaller companies (taking a share of the profits as the reward), to build great works of industry and infastructure, to develop new advances in science. and of course pay taxes so the government can do the same things when they are in the public, not private interist.

*perks up* Tax incestives? What?

[Death Metal]

tax incestives for the wealthy work so long as it encourages them to invest the mony they have into the economy properly instead of scamming the system and tucking it away.
it is when the wealthy hoard their wealth and just let it sit there that it causes problems. liquid assets must flow in order to create wealth for all classes stagnation brings decay and misery.

they should use that money to invest in smaller companies (taking a share of the profits as the reward), to build great works of industry and infastructure, to develop new advances in science. and of course pay takes so the government can do the same things when they are in the public, not private interist.

Which is why, if the private sector refuses to work in the private economy's best interest, which they are refusing to do, the government must be able to intervene.

[New Abooutland]

nuke it

[Death Metal]

Sure, turn us into radioactive ghouls. That'll solve the world's problems.

[Vulpae]

*perks up* Tax incestives? What?

incentives not across the board cuts are the way to go. a way of the government saying "we need more food, scientists, cars, energy types, or such so if you do when we want we'll give you a discount."

Which is why, if the private sector refuses to work in the private economy's best interest, which they are refusing to do, the government must be able to intervene.

agreed the private sector economy is private, and often has private interists at heart. instead of simply fining a company for illegal and harmful practices the people responsible should be jailed and privately fined to within an inch of their existance. there have always been shady merchant types, there always will be, you have to deal with them properly while not killing off the honest ones.

[Vaklor]

Sounds about right.

Pfft you liberals say that about everything.

Lol, now I know this guy's a joke.

[Disserbia]

kraft cheese and diet coke until we all die of obesity and diabetes.

[Vaklor]

kraft cheese and diet coke until we all die of obesity and diabetes.

[Divair]

kraft cheese and diet coke until we all die of obesity and diabetes.

Wasn't that the current plan?

[Noobubersland]

Demand that Canada annexes the US, followed by bowing down to all Canadian policies