Your plan for America?

[Hittanryan]

Yeah...that's basically Stalinism. Command economy, authoritarian social controls, and imperialism/expansionism. Stalinism.

Authoritarian? By being against abortion, stem cell research, gay marrige, and for capital punishment? And I am not for imperialism or expansionism.

Yeah, that's authoritarian. It's the government seeking to control the private lives of its citizens.

The prevalent conservative foreign policy tends to favor unilateral invasions, followed by endless occupations where we prop up a decidedly undemocratic, often uncooperative local government while fighting persistent guerillas. If you don't favor this approach, then I'd revise your claim of supporting a conservative foreign policy.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sounds authoritarian to me...



Base all laws around consent, georgist tax systems, cripple the power of the government by decentralizing anything necessary, and abolishing everything else.
Syndicate the economy too.

[Vulpae]

Yeah...that's basically Stalinism. Command economy, authoritarian social controls, and imperialism/expansionism. Stalinism.

Authoritarian? By being against abortion, stem cell research, gay marrige, and for capital punishment? And I am not for imperialism or expansionism.

here's my problem what that, that is legislating & enforcing morality on an entire people who may not agree, a concept that has been proven to bring misery and suffering in various forms.
prohibition, book burnings, inquisitions, purges of the "Immoral" follow in it's wake as laws for the good become national doctrine

[Amacia]

Social Issues:
Criminalize Abortion
Legalize Gay Marriage
Legalize and regulate drugs

Economic Issues:
Progressive Consumption Tax
Entitlement reform
Welfare reform
School Choice
Set up public database of charities so that people can more easily donate to them
Free banking
Carbon Tax to mitigate Global Warming

Foreign Policy:
Slightly cut defense spending
Foreign Policy informed by Just War Theory
Only engage in preemptive warfare in ticking time bomb scenarios.

[Death Metal]

Sounds about right.

Pfft you liberals say that about everything.

Progressive, tyvm.

But yeah, banning what people can do with their bodies, what they can research, and who they can marry is authoritarianism.

Or moralist, but six of one.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Authoritarian? By being against abortion, stem cell research, gay marrige, and for capital punishment? And I am not for imperialism or expansionism.

here's my problem what that, that is legislating & enforcing morality on an entire people who may not agree, a concept that has been proven to bring misery and suffering in various forms.
prohibition, book burnings, inquisitions, purges of the "Immoral" follow in it's wake as laws for the good become national doctrine

Did I say I supported book burnings or inquisitions?

[Hittanryan]

here's my problem what that, that is legislating & enforcing morality on an entire people who may not agree, a concept that has been proven to bring misery and suffering in various forms.
prohibition, book burnings, inquisitions, purges of the "Immoral" follow in it's wake as laws for the good become national doctrine

Did I say I supported book burnings or inquisitions?

You said you would have the government place legal restrictions on what is morally acceptable for citizens to do in private. That's authoritarian.

[Ostroeuropa]

Did I say I supported book burnings or inquisitions?

You said you would have the government place legal restrictions on what is morally acceptable for citizens to do in private. That's authoritarian.

*Consenting citizens.
Otherwise, bang on the money.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Did I say I supported book burnings or inquisitions?

You said you would have the government place legal restrictions on what is morally acceptable for citizens to do in private. That's authoritarian.

No its not. Authoritarianism is having a dictator who doesnt grant the right to vote. I sure hope nobody would vote for you with your definition of authoritarian.

[Ostroeuropa]

You said you would have the government place legal restrictions on what is morally acceptable for citizens to do in private. That's authoritarian.

No its not. Authoritarianism is having a dictator who doesnt grant the right to vote. I sure hope nobody would vote for you with your definition of authoritarian.

Incorrect, thats Dictatorship.
It's pefectly possible to have an authoritarian democracy



Group A decides with a 100% vote to perform activity A, involving only members of the group.

You decide "NO, you must perform activity B or i will lock you in prison, even though i am not involved in either activity."

Authoritarianism is by its nature undemocratic, but can exist in a representative democracy.

[Hittanryan]

You said you would have the government place legal restrictions on what is morally acceptable for citizens to do in private. That's authoritarian.

No its not. Authoritarianism is having a dictator who doesnt grant the right to vote. I sure hope nobody would vote for you with your definition of authoritarian.

My definition is correct, yours is the one that needs work.

You've only described a dictatorship. In theory, you could have a dictator not be authoritarian. Such a dictator would grant his citizens broad personal freedoms, even the ability to criticize his leadership, though they would have no legal way of removing him from power.

[Death Metal]

No its not. Authoritarianism is having a dictator who doesnt grant the right to vote. I sure hope nobody would vote for you with your definition of authoritarian.

Incorrect, thats Dictatorship.
It's pefectly possible to have an authoritarian democracy

Yep. My state happens to be one (except when it comes to guns).

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzYduoIulo&feature=relmfu watch this, you guys are Batman and im the guy in the red tie.

[New Asgariath]

1. Turn all marriages into Civil Unions. Make the word "marriage" exclusively a religious term. Allow them to use it for whatever they want. That fixes the gay marriage stuff.

2. Okay, definitely cut down on the military funding. A lot. We spend too much on military. Also, get out of Afganistan.

3. Create a good public transit system in the cities.

4. Create the Keystone Pipeline. Drill for oil in the US. Drill in Alaska. Drill in the Gulf of Mexico. Invest into nuclear power.

5. Tighten the border security. Immigrants are good. Illegal immigrants are not.

6. Overhaul the entire public education system. It's a disaster.

7. Remove unnecessary government regulation from the economy.

8. Create a social "safety net" for the poor. Not a cradle, but a net.

9. Stop sending money to other countries.

10. Legalize marijuana, than tax the shit out of it.

11. Attempt a 10-15% flat tax rate. Slightly more for the rich. Say 20% to 40%.

12. Make the death penalty more efficient.

12. Cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget. Only use essential programs. nationalise the

13. Nationalise healthcare and provide it universally. However, the universal health-care will be mediocre at best. Good healthcare will be privatized.

14. Stay out of wars unless they present a direct threat to us and be threatening to attack US territory.

15. Invest in green energy if possible. Mainly nuclear.

I agree with this. Oh, and add tariffs. The USA gets more money and companies realize it is not profitable to export jobs to China. American industry prospers and American employment rises. Win-win.

[Hittanryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzYduoIulo&feature=relmfu watch this, you guys are Batman and im the guy in the red tie.

Can we take this as an admission of intellectual defeat? You've really done nothing to prove your definition of authoritarian supersedes the accepted one.

[Arumdaum]

1. Turn all marriages into Civil Unions. Make the word "marriage" exclusively a religious term. Allow them to use it for whatever they want. That fixes the gay marriage stuff.

How do you expect to change the English language?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzYduoIulo&feature=relmfu watch this, you guys are Batman and im the guy in the red tie.

Can we take this as an admission of intellectual defeat? You've really done nothing to prove your definition of authoritarian supersedes the accepted one.

Hey I would still keep the right to bear arms, is that authoritarian?

[Ostroeuropa]

Can we take this as an admission of intellectual defeat? You've really done nothing to prove your definition of authoritarian supersedes the accepted one.

Hey I would still keep the right to bear arms, is that authoritarian?

No, but a deviation from an ideology doesn't mean that as a whole Authoritarian doesn't describe it.
Also, you could be a complete liberal on all issues bar one, and it would be perfectly correct to say the one where you are authoritarian, is an authoritarian policy.

[Castouria]

1. Turn all marriages into Civil Unions. Make the word "marriage" exclusively a religious term. Allow them to use it for whatever they want. That fixes the gay marriage stuff.

2. Okay, definitely cut down on the military funding. A lot. We spend too much on military. Also, get out of Afganistan.

3. Create a good public transit system in the cities.

4. Create the Keystone Pipeline. Drill for oil in the US. Drill in Alaska. Drill in the Gulf of Mexico. Invest into nuclear power.

5. Tighten the border security. Immigrants are good. Illegal immigrants are not.

6. Overhaul the entire public education system. It's a disaster.

7. Remove unnecessary government regulation from the economy.

8. Create a social "safety net" for the poor. Not a cradle, but a net.

9. Stop sending money to other countries.

10. Legalize marijuana, than tax the shit out of it.

11. Attempt a 10-15% flat tax rate. Slightly more for the rich. Say 20% to 40%.

12. Make the death penalty more efficient.

12. Cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget. Only use essential programs. nationalise the

13. Nationalise healthcare and provide it universally. However, the universal health-care will be mediocre at best. Good healthcare will be privatized.

14. Stay out of wars unless they present a direct threat to us and be threatening to attack US territory.

15. Invest in green energy if possible. Mainly nuclear.

I very much like this^
especially the first point, sick and tired of this gay marriage nonsense

[Vulpae]

here's my problem what that, that is legislating & enforcing morality on an entire people who may not agree, a concept that has been proven to bring misery and suffering in various forms.
prohibition, book burnings, inquisitions, purges of the "Immoral" follow in it's wake as laws for the good become national doctrine

Did I say I supported book burnings or inquisitions?

no, and I'm guessing you would be a decent moral leader.
my point is that legeslating morality sets a precident.

when made into law it's chained every time generation after generation

Laws of Absloute Morality often become doctrine, and doctrine gets harder with each generation.

these things are right the law says so-> anyone who does them is thus wrong-> anyone who is wrong must learn what's right-> we will make them see right-> we will make them see right by whatever it takes

better for people to embrace morality and justice in their hearts instead of their laws, in my opinion, and let it influence government through the people, not through the laws

[Death Metal]

Can we take this as an admission of intellectual defeat? You've really done nothing to prove your definition of authoritarian supersedes the accepted one.

Hey I would still keep the right to bear arms, is that authoritarian?

No, but you would still be.

[Ostroeuropa]

GEN 1
We need to stop these people taking drugs by banning drug sales, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 2
We need to stop more people doing drugs by banning possession, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 3
There are still people doing drugs, we have to fine them, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 4
There are still people doing drugs, we have to imprison them, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 5 (USA current.)
There are still people doing drugs, we have to imprison them and confiscate property, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 6
There are still people doing drugs, we have to imprison them and confiscate all property, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 7
There are still people doing drugs, this is a heinous act, we need capital punishment for them. It's a moral imperative.
GEN 8
We need to suspend search warrant laws for drug crime to save our children.
GEN 9
We need to suspend habeus corpus for drug crime.
GEN 10
We need to allow random sweeps of houses to catch drug criminals.



As soon as you open the door to these moralists, their successors will build on their work by saying
"now we've got you all to admit X is wrong, we have to take further action to stop it. Since it's still happening."

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

GEN 1
We need to stop these people taking drugs by banning drug sales, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 2
We need to stop more people doing drugs by banning possession, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 3
There are still people doing drugs, we have to fine them, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 4
There are still people doing drugs, we have to imprison them, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 5 (USA current.)
There are still people doing drugs, we have to imprison them and confiscate property, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 6
There are still people doing drugs, we have to imprison them and confiscate all property, it's a moral imperative.
GEN 7
There are still people doing drugs, this is a heinous act, we need capital punishment for them. It's a moral imperative.
GEN 8
We need to suspend search warrant laws for drug crime to save our children.
GEN 9
We need to suspend habeus corpus for drug crime.
GEN 10
We need to allow random sweeps of houses to catch drug criminals.



As soon as you open the door to these moralists, their successors will build on their work by saying
"now we've got you all to admit X is wrong, we have to take further action to stop it. Since it's still happening."

Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzYduoIulo&feature=relmfu

[Arumdaum]

1. Turn all marriages into Civil Unions. Make the word "marriage" exclusively a religious term. Allow them to use it for whatever they want. That fixes the gay marriage stuff.

2. Okay, definitely cut down on the military funding. A lot. We spend too much on military. Also, get out of Afganistan.

3. Create a good public transit system in the cities.

4. Create the Keystone Pipeline. Drill for oil in the US. Drill in Alaska. Drill in the Gulf of Mexico. Invest into nuclear power.

5. Tighten the border security. Immigrants are good. Illegal immigrants are not.

6. Overhaul the entire public education system. It's a disaster.

7. Remove unnecessary government regulation from the economy.

8. Create a social "safety net" for the poor. Not a cradle, but a net.

9. Stop sending money to other countries.

10. Legalize marijuana, than tax the shit out of it.

11. Attempt a 10-15% flat tax rate. Slightly more for the rich. Say 20% to 40%.

12. Make the death penalty more efficient.

12. Cut billions worth of uneeded spending out of the budget. Only use essential programs. nationalise the

13. Nationalise healthcare and provide it universally. However, the universal health-care will be mediocre at best. Good healthcare will be privatized.

14. Stay out of wars unless they present a direct threat to us and be threatening to attack US territory.

15. Invest in green energy if possible. Mainly nuclear.

I very much like this^
especially the first point, sick and tired of this gay marriage nonsense

How do you expect to change the English language in general?

[Sideonia]

1. Higer taxes for the rich and lower for the poor
2. Illegalize conservatism and liberalism
3. Remove the army
4. Make it part of England again

Communitas pares victoria