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by New Dallsiph » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:22 am

by Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:31 am
New Dallsiph wrote:Pay back families whose are recorded descendants of recorded slaves and indentured servants before the Emancipation Proclamation at the expense of the wealthiest Americans.
New Dallsiph wrote:Pay back Native Americans for the land that was stolen from them and provide economic support to Native American reservations.

by New Dallsiph » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:27 am
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:New Dallsiph wrote:Pay back families whose are recorded descendants of recorded slaves and indentured servants before the Emancipation Proclamation at the expense of the wealthiest Americans.
This is wrong, in so many ways.
First of all, those wealthy people you're going to steal from have never owned slaves or indentured servants. Why should they pay for it?
No American today has ever been a slave. None of them, except perhaps the very oldest persons in a family, even knew a person that had been a slave. Why do they need to get a free handout?
If you're going to pay them what their wages should have been, sorry, they already got them. They got a home. They got food. They got clothes. They got taken care of in old age. They had a living wage.New Dallsiph wrote:Pay back Native Americans for the land that was stolen from them and provide economic support to Native American reservations.
Are you serious? You want to pay the Indians back for every inch of American land?! Do I even have to tell you how much this would cost?!

by Ulvena » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:49 am

by Saluterre » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:05 pm
Ulvena wrote:Economic policy
- Begin massive projects such as building Dams all across the U.S that don't require relocation of locals- Public works projects are good.
- Raise taxes on the wealthy - Yes, quite agreeable.
- Cut military spending - I agree, just as long as benefits aren't cut.
- Stop making pennies - Excellent point. Waste of money and resources.
- Remove all loopholes in taxes - Easier said than done, but okay.
- End the Bush Tax Cuts - YES.
- Start a massive investigation into every oil company in the U.S. If a single document is found that points to manipulation of oil prices, then all responsible will go to jail and a CEO from the government will run the oil company. - I agree broadly, but I think that the business should then be nationalized, converted to a worker cooperative, and sold back to the employees of said company.
- Force companies to give equal pay to illegal immigrants - Yes.
- Remove minimum wage - NO. Minimum wage gives consumers purchasing power needed to stimulate the economy.
- Give incentive to companies to manufacture and produce in the U.S - Agree, but we should also be punishing American businesses that move overseas with tariffs, as no amount of cost-cutting measures could overcome the loss of an American market.
- Give incentive to companies that use or invest in renewable energy such as nuclear fusion, solar, or wind. - Okay.
Social policy
- Legalize marijuana, privatize it, regulate it, and tax it- Yes; NO!; Yes; Yes. Privatization is not a magic word that makes things efficient.
- Legalize prostitution, privatize it, regulate it, and tax it. - See above.
- Legalize abortion for all States - Yes.
- Revamp the Death Penalty so it's far less costly than life in prison - No. The death penalty is a barbaric practice that should die out like feudalism or the rack.
- Get rid of Medicare and Obamacare in favor of Universal Healthcare - YES!
- Phase out Political Correctness and the softness of the youth these days - Um...I think I agree. Hardly a pressing issue, however.
- Remove Super PACs - Yes.
- Investigate all those involved in the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Publicly execute the ones in charge. - Yea-WAIT, WHAT THE FUCK?! Jail, yes. Kill, no.
- Audit the Federal Reserve - Possibly.
- Nationalize the Federal Reserve (much of the Federal Reserve is not public) - Yes. We need a national bank, too.
International policy
- "Oh hi Israel! You know the 3 billion we give to you annually? Yeah...I want it back." If they decline outright? I guess you don't need our troops to support you. Bye! - I suppose I agree. Also, we should support Palestinian admittance into the U.N.
- Open up diplomacy with Iran and get cheap oil - Eh.
- Open up diplomacy with Venezuela and get cheap oil - Yes. Try to convince ol' Hugo to liberalize the press, though.
- Open up diplomacy with Palestine and get cheap oil - Yes.
- Have a semi-interventionist policy where preemptive strikes are only used when there is a real threat to America's homeland or its territories. - Meh.
- Pull all troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and let them govern themselves as true sovereign nations - Yes.
- Apologize in front of the U.N and begin a long path to stabilizing relationships with the Middle East, Asia, and South America - Yes.
- Negotiate with China to lower our national debt with the threat of China having an economic crisis if America goes bankrupt. - Very true. Not enough people realize that they depend on us almost as much as we depend on them.
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by Faolinn » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:20 pm

by Horsefish » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:39 pm
Ulvena wrote:- Phase out Political Correctness and the softness of the youth these days
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
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The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.

by Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:12 pm
Ulvena wrote:- Begin massive projects such as building Dams all across the U.S that don't require relocation of locals
Ulvena wrote:- Cut military spending
Ulvena wrote:- Stop making pennies
Ulvena wrote:- Remove all loopholes in taxes
Ulvena wrote:- End the Bush Tax Cuts
Ulvena wrote:- Start a massive investigation into every oil company in the U.S. If a single document is found that points to manipulation of oil prices, then all responsible will go to jail and a CEO from the government will run the oil company.
Ulvena wrote:- Force companies to give equal pay to illegal immigrants
Ulvena wrote:- Remove minimum wage
Ulvena wrote:- Give incentive to companies to manufacture and produce in the U.S
Ulvena wrote:- Legalize marijuana, privatize it, regulate it, and tax it
Ulvena wrote:- Legalize prostitution, privatize it, regulate it, and tax it.
Ulvena wrote:- Legalize abortion for all States

Ulvena wrote:- Revamp the Death Penalty so it's far less costly than life in prison
Ulvena wrote:- Get rid of Medicare and Obamacare in favor of Universal Healthcare
Ulvena wrote:- Phase out Political Correctness and the softness of the youth these days
Ulvena wrote:- Investigate all those involved in the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Publicly execute the ones in charge.

Ulvena wrote:- Audit the Federal Reserve
Ulvena wrote:- "Oh hi Israel! You know the 3 billion we give to you annually? Yeah...I want it back." If they decline outright? I guess you don't need our troops to support you. Bye!
Ulvena wrote:- Open up diplomacy with Iran and get cheap oil
Ulvena wrote:- Open up diplomacy with Venezuela and get cheap oil
Ulvena wrote:- Open up diplomacy with Palestine and get cheap oil
Ulvena wrote:- Have a semi-interventionist policy where preemptive strikes are only used when there is a real threat to America's homeland or its territories.
Ulvena wrote:- Pull all troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and let them govern themselves as true sovereign nations
Ulvena wrote:- Apologize in front of the U.N and begin a long path to stabilizing relationships with the Middle East, Asia, and South America
Ulvena wrote:- Negotiate with China to lower our national debt with the threat of China having an economic crisis if America goes bankrupt.

by Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:28 pm
Faolinn wrote:I have a long list of changes I want to make to this country...

by Socialdemokraterne » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:30 pm
New Dallsiph wrote:Foreign policy:
Change the way we deliver foreign aid - make it more grassroots and make the aim to provide local populations with the ability to Ja! Double ja!
End the embargo on Cuba. Why do we even keep it around? End the embargo.
End the Afghanistan war. I have mixed feelings about this. We're trying to build a stable country, and that takes a long time.
Reduce the Iraq "embassy" size. I do not see why we should reduce the US embassy in Iraq.
Close all overseas bases. Some of them? Sure. All of them? No way.
Pressure Israel to recognize Palestine. I don't know enough to have an opinion on this.
Sign free trade agreements with as many countries as possible. If you do that you've got to simultaneously work toward better working conditions in the 2nd and 3rd worlds. Otherwise you'll just keep seeing sweatshops popping up like weeds.
As unbiasedly as possible denounce and condemn every country that abuses basic human rights By the UN's standards?
Relinquish our extra power in the UN by voting to repeal the security council How about just eliminating permanent memberships while keeping the council?
Relinquish US sovereignty and push towards democratic internationalism No. No, no, no, no, no. We're nowhere near a world where this would end well.
Economic policy:
Raise taxes on the wealthy. A lot. It's not that simple.
Cut military spending by 50%. In light of a later point on general defense spending you make, I find the concept (though perhaps not the number) amenable.
Close all tax loopholes. Great idea, but it will take a long time to do. Think decades of continuous effort.
Raise corporate taxes slightly. Our corporate tax rate is already among the highest in the industrialized world. The problem is loopholes, not the rate.
Stop making pennies. Seriously. OK...
Repeal Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid and any other healthcare systems in the US. Replace with universal healthcare. Ja! Double ja! Do eet!
Make welfare more focused on getting people rehired rather than simply providing monetary support. Ja!
Increase regulations and oversight on monetary transactions for those who are living off of government money. Got anything specific?
Increase NASA's budget significantly. Why?
End oil subsidies. Gasoline and heating fuel prices are going to jump. You'll have to time it right.
Focus on transitioning to renewable energy entirely and ending all dependency on non-renewable greenhouse gases Ja! Double ja!
Legalize industrial hemp A lot of states already have, you just have to get the federal government to back off.
Cut the defense budget in half at the very least - use that money to improve our education system, to provide any improvements to a good universal healthcare program, social welfare that's focused on getting people jobs, foreign aid programs, and rebuilding impoverished communities in the US This is conceptually sound, but the number is up for debate. I'm not really sure how much should be cut at this point, but it should conceptually be enough to support services such as those you describe without crippling agencies charged with maintaining public safety and law enforcement endeavors.
Tax the stock market Don't we already tax revenue made on investments, just at a lower rate than other forms of income?
Outlaw the use of slave labor for corporations that sell merchandise in the US. Impose minimum wage laws that apply outside of the US for American corporations. Ja! Double ja! And require that anyone that we enter free trade agreements with do the same.
Break up banks that are "too big to fail" Over time they would just grow again. The trick is to limit what they can and can't do with their holdings.
Require transparency in the banking system How so?
Require transparency in the federal reserve system How so?
Separate retail and commercial banks OK.
End subsidies to corporations favored by the government and require all subsidies to be voted from the grassroots. You want referendum to decide what is and isn't subsidized? That sounds pretty impractical.
Require referendum from the grassroots for anything relating to taxes. Some modifications to tax policies are decided by referendum already. To decide the entirety of tax policy at all levels by referendum is astonishingly impractical.
Social policy:
Replace marriages with civil unions. Legalize civil unions for anyone as long as it is consensual. Same sex, polygamy, whatever. Marriages can become a personal or religious thing. OK, I like this conceptually. The thing is, that contract comes with several benefits which could become problematic in cases of polygamy.
Legalize euthanasia. I'm fine with that, but only voluntary euthanasia.
Legalize marijuana. I see no reason why not.
Legalize all recreational drugs but enforce strong regulation on their distribution and provide education programs to inform people about the side effects and the health effects of the drugs. I'm hesitant to sign on with such a policy.
End the "war on drugs" and ban the privatized prison system and prison labor. While incarceration rates in the US are outrageous and sentence lengths are insane, I would sooner eliminate the election of judges than end private prisons. Private and public prisons are both better at different things, neither is obviously better than the other.
Create a democratic judicial system, where all candidates are required to have gone through law school. No. No elected judges. Introducing election of judges into the system has politicized it immensely, and the popularity of being "tough on crime" has resulted in harsher sentencing.
Make the supreme court democratically elected. NO. ELECTED. JUDGES.
Legalize prostitution. Absolutely. But require health screenings for both customers and vendors, provide for prostitutes' safety, etc.
Make the government completely secular. Easier said than done, though I like it.
End the electoral college. Make the system based on popular vote Are you going to treat every state as a single unit instead of as districts? How does it work specifically? I recently fell out of the favorable position on this and into the neutral position because there's a problem of political equality for rural voters.
Ban lobbying. Lobbying actually serves a constructive purpose, believe it or not. We need transparency, not a system without lobbying.
Ban political parties. Create a completely non-partisan democracy and extend the government down to local communities where everyone can participate. Nej. Double nej. Not only will parties still exist (you can't eliminate them, only change their form), but this sort of system is impractical for large populations.
Require that all campaign contributions that exceed $1000 are public. Ja! Double ja!
Make the government 100% transparent and require news channels to cover every bill passed in Congress. Have you ever heard of CSPAN?
Provide funding to news channels that provide information about global events and expose the opinions of those that contrast with the popular American opinion. Why don't you just write a letter to NPR or your local public television studio asking them to cover such issues? Same effect, less meddling in the media.
Enact net neutrality. I don't know enough to have an opinion on this.
Pay back families whose are recorded descendants of recorded slaves and indentured servants before the Emancipation Proclamation at the expense of the wealthiest Americans. Nej. Double nej. Universal tertiary education, universal healthcare, public works projects, these sorts of things can improve the quality of life for all people simultaneously. We're trying to build a society that transcends racial barriers, not one that enforces them.
Pay back Native Americans for the land that was stolen from them and provide economic support to Native American reservations. No.

by Divair » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:34 pm
New Dallsiph wrote:Foreign policy:
Change the way we deliver foreign aid - make it more grassroots and make the aim to provide local populations with the ability to
End the embargo on Cuba.
End the Afghanistan war.
Reduce the Iraq "embassy" size.
Close all overseas bases.
Pressure Israel to recognize Palestine.
Sign free trade agreements with as many countries as possible.
As unbiasedly as possible denounce and condemn every country that abuses basic human rights
Relinquish our extra power in the UN by voting to repeal the security council
Relinquish US sovereignty and push towards democratic internationalism
Economic policy:
Raise taxes on the wealthy. A lot.
Cut military spending by 50%.
Close all tax loopholes.
Raise corporate taxes slightly.
Stop making pennies. Seriously.
Repeal Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid and any other healthcare systems in the US. Replace with universal healthcare.
Make welfare more focused on getting people rehired rather than simply providing monetary support.
Increase regulations and oversight on monetary transactions for those who are living off of government money.
Increase NASA's budget significantly.
End oil subsidies.
Focus on transitioning to renewable energy entirely and ending all dependency on non-renewable greenhouse gases
Legalize industrial hemp
Cut the defense budget in half at the very least - use that money to improve our education system, to provide any improvements to a good universal healthcare program, social welfare that's focused on getting people jobs, foreign aid programs, and rebuilding impoverished communities in the US
Tax the stock market
Outlaw the use of slave labor for corporations that sell merchandise in the US. Impose minimum wage laws that apply outside of the US for American corporations.
Break up banks that are "too big to fail"
Require transparency in the banking system
Require transparency in the federal reserve system
Separate retail and commercial banks
End subsidies to corporations favored by the government and require all subsidies to be voted from the grassroots.
Require referendum from the grassroots for anything relating to taxes.
Social policy:
Replace marriages with civil unions. Legalize civil unions for anyone as long as it is consensual. Same sex, polygamy, whatever. Marriages can become a personal or religious thing.
Legalize euthanasia.
Legalize marijuana.
Legalize all recreational drugs but enforce strong regulation on their distribution and provide education programs to inform people about the side effects and the health effects of the drugs.
End the "war on drugs" and ban the privatized prison system and prison labor.
Create a democratic judicial system, where all candidates are required to have gone through law school.
Make the supreme court democratically elected.
Legalize prostitution.
Make the government completely secular.
End the electoral college. Make the system based on popular vote
Ban lobbying.
Ban political parties. Create a completely non-partisan democracy and extend the government down to local communities where everyone can participate.
Require that all campaign contributions that exceed $1000 are public.
Make the government 100% transparent and require news channels to cover every bill passed in Congress.
Provide funding to news channels that provide information about global events and expose the opinions of those that contrast with the popular American opinion.
Enact net neutrality.
Pay back families whose are recorded descendants of recorded slaves and indentured servants before the Emancipation Proclamation at the expense of the wealthiest Americans.
Pay back Native Americans for the land that was stolen from them and provide economic support to Native American reservations.
I know that this was based on something someone else started but it gave me a good place to start.


by Coccygia » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:35 pm

by Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:35 pm

by Valecia » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:35 pm

by New Republic of Egypt » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:38 pm
Elevteria wrote:declare war on Sweden and surrender in the same moment on the condition to become a part of it


by Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:41 pm
Valecia wrote:Keep producing fine women,
lovely beaches,
nice people,
nice cities
and maintain a good relationship with the UK.

by Coccygia » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:45 pm
Death Metal wrote:The pennies thing is because pennies cost two cents to make.
Nevermind that pretty much every other form of currency ever has the same issue and it's never actually been a problem, and that the costs are made up by the costs of higher values of currency being proportionally cheaper to make.
It's just a factoid that people take WAY too seriously because economically speaking it doesn't matter at all.

by Nordengrund » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:47 pm

by Socialdemokraterne » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:47 pm
Divair wrote:Just noticed most of this is from my post


by Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:49 pm
Coccygia wrote:Death Metal wrote:The pennies thing is because pennies cost two cents to make.
Nevermind that pretty much every other form of currency ever has the same issue and it's never actually been a problem, and that the costs are made up by the costs of higher values of currency being proportionally cheaper to make.
It's just a factoid that people take WAY too seriously because economically speaking it doesn't matter at all.
Except that pennies are pretty much useless and a nuisance, and the reason we keep making them is because of the Zinc Lobby. On the other hand because of the demented US habit of pricing everything in 9's, eliminating pennies would cause immediate inflation.

by Valecia » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:50 pm

by Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:53 pm
Nordengrund wrote:Here are mine:
Social Policies
Outlaw abortion NO!
Make the government strictly follow the U.S. Constitution or else Or else what exactly?
Make the first and second amendments un- repealable laws Um... they kinda are already.
Allow freedom of religion, but ban secularism That's a self-contradiction.
Ban homosexual marriage and civil unions FUCK NO!
Keep the death penalty Meh.
Economic Policies:
Promote free market capitalism I'd rather die than live under this.
Support environmentalism Finally, something that makes sense.
Add protectionism Eh?
Foreign Policies:
Non interventionism BOOO!
Impose embargoes Um, doesn't that contradict non-interventionism?
Repeal the draft and the Patriot Act. Pointless.

by Socialdemokraterne » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:55 pm
Nordengrund wrote:Social Policies
Outlaw abortion Awfully unpopular, that. You can have it on your wish list, but I don't see it happening bud.
Make the government strictly follow the U.S. Constitution or else Informal amendments happen all the time, you won't stop them. You can't.
Make the first and second amendments un- repealable laws Why so much attachment to the second amendment?
Allow freedom of religion, but ban secularism I...what? Allow freedom of religion, but refuse to allow the government to maintain a neutral religious position. What?
Ban homosexual marriage and civil unions NO. Nej, triple nej!
Keep the death penalty I don't think it's all that it's cracked up to be, capital punishment.
Economic Policies:
Promote free market capitalism No, though I would be able to compromise and get on board with streamlining existing regulations to diminish overhead and limit the potential for economic capture. How's that?
Support environmentalism Ja! Double ja! But in light of the above, I'm assuming you and I have different ways of doing so in mind.
Add protectionism Free market capitalism with protectionism? What new madness is this?
Foreign Policies:
Non interventionism Do you mean isolationism?
Impose embargoes On who? Why? This is looking less "free market" by the minute!
Repeal the draft and the Patriot Act. Conscription does not currently exist in the USA. Repealing the PATRIOT Act is something I'm on board with, though.

by Nordengrund » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:57 pm

by Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:02 pm
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