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Postby Foguk » Thu May 17, 2012 10:34 pm

Laobaen wrote:>Tax that bottom 49% that are currently exempt | Bad start. >:(
>Sterilize the mentally disabled. | only if its inheritable.
>Classify stupidity as a mental disability | well, at least I won't have to worry about republicans.
>Fund gladiatorial combat AWESOME
>Dismantle every single union GTFO, Unions are invaluable.
>All crimes, if you are convicted, shall be punished by immediate execution. | Eh... Maybe.
>President becomes Emperor GTFO
>Forbid homosexual's rights GTFO
>Forbid immigration | Hey, I kinda like you!
>Forbid emmigration | Hey, I kinda like you! :hug:
>Outlaw feminism | You're my friend now! :hug:
>Eliminate Women's rights | Nope. now your not. GTFO
>Every man, woman, and child is automatically conscripted into the military | I like mandatory conscription.
>Conquer and enslave everyone from mexico on south | GTFO
>Take every possible action to dick around with China's economy | can't stop loling
>Establish puppet regimes around Russia and arm them with hundreds of ICBMs and nuclear warheads. | uh... i can't brain
>Encourage NATO to fall apart | eh...
>Blitz Canada | I swear to god, you come here... There'll be hell to pay. Stay out of my homeland.
>Japan/South Korea/N.Ireland to cease independence [and/or UK membership] and become territory of the Golden American Emperor. | Stay away from those.
>Conquer British Isles | Stay away those.
>Starting with Europe, then Africa, then the middle east, and finally asia, conquer Earth. | brb hate overload.

Easy victories everywhere. When the US isn't holding a gun to their heads nations tend to quickly grow irritated with everyone else.


I made some edits concerning my views towards what you've said. Stay away from my homeland.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 17, 2012 10:35 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Once again, I will attempt to make a less radical plan for America.
But, just so you know, I'm not a liberal, so you probably won't ever like it much. Just don't call it "bat-shit insane." That is only used to describe Lady Gaga's outfits.

International Policy:
Cut most foreign aid. Only give aid to those nations that we know are using it for the benefit of the people.
Put tariffs on goods from China, and encourage manufacturing goods in the States.
Secede from the United Nations. (No, I will never support the UN)
Conquer Mexico and Cuba. Take back the Panama Canal.
Do not intervene in any foreign wars or conflicts unless it will directly effect us economically.


Social Policy:
Outlaw abortion, except when the mother's life is in danger.
Leave same-sex marriage to the States.
Cut "marriage benefits," so that it doesn't matter whether you are married before the law or not.

Legalize marijuana, and tax it massively to pay off the debt.
Illegalize women serving in combat, and establish women-only services in the military.
Make membership in the Communist Party illegal for people in the government.
Up military pay considerably.
Make dueling with government-approved seconds legal.

Economic Policy:

Put more money into education, put higher requirements for graduating from each grade.
Abolish many Enviromental regulations. Leave those that are vital to retaining basic necessities, such as relatively clean air and water.
Semi-nationalize industries necessary to war production during times of war.
Return to the gold standard.
Abolish most tobacco-growing regulations.

Extra:
Let Senators be chosen by the State legislatures once again.
Add an amendment to the Constitution allowing secession.
Severely downsize the EPA.
Cut down on all government spending and unnecessary government employees.
Face down Iran. Tell them to either stop trying to make nukes, or we will go to wa
r.


Tarrifs on goods from China might make sense in light of their excessively devalued yuan. I see sense in legalizing marijuana and taxing it. Not intervening in foreign wars unless there's a concomitant economic benefit might sound callous but it's a perfectly sensible foreign policy belief to hold.

Agree strongly with the bit I highlighted in blue and the rest of your post is a good example of why this should be done.

That was a pretty good shot, I must admit.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 17, 2012 10:48 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:That was a pretty good shot, I must admit.

Why do you not want higher requirements for graduating?


Depends how you go about these requirements. For instance, if it's a stupid test that is administered by the state during the Six Weeks, then that's one of the worst things you could do.
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Thu May 17, 2012 11:34 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:International Policy: :clap: :)
Social Policy: :clap: :)
Economic Policy: :eyebrow: :meh:


You know, that's twice now you've applauded a social policy which bans your economic views from even being expressed on the legislative floor. What are you, politically suicidal?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu May 17, 2012 11:40 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:International Policy: :clap: :)
Social Policy: :clap: :)
Economic Policy: :eyebrow: :meh:


You know, that's twice now you've applauded a social policy which bans your economic views from even being expressed on the legislative floor. What are you, politically suicidal?

I was appluading the rest, like outlawed abortion.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 17, 2012 11:43 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Socialdemokraterne wrote:
You know, that's twice now you've applauded a social policy which bans your economic views from even being expressed on the legislative floor. What are you, politically suicidal?

I was appluading the rest, like outlawed abortion.

Perhaps a striking out or editing would be in order.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 17, 2012 11:44 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I was appluading the rest, like outlawed abortion.

Perhaps a striking out or editing would be in order.


How dare you expect so much out of people.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 17, 2012 11:50 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Perhaps a striking out or editing would be in order.


How dare you expect so much out of people.

I know I shouldn't, but it's just so hard...
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Postby Divair » Fri May 18, 2012 5:53 am

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:International Policy: :clap: :)
Social Policy: :clap: :)
Economic Policy: :eyebrow: :meh:


You know, that's twice now you've applauded a social policy which bans your economic views from even being expressed on the legislative floor. What are you, politically suicidal?

No, he's just a conservative.

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri May 18, 2012 8:27 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Legalize marijuana, and tax it massively to pay off the debt.
Add an amendment to the Constitution allowing secession.
Severely downsize the EPA.

These are just three things in particular I would like to respond to

1. Yeah you could tax pot at 200% or 5% and it would do almost nothing to effect the US debt positively, more people in the US smoke cigarettes and they are already taxed massively, yet they have almost no effect on the debt. Also, high taxes with pot is a terrible idea for two main reasons, first pot isn't as addictive as tobacco so if the price is too much they can simply stop smoking, second is that there is already a large infrastructure for the illicit sale of pot, meaning that even if it is legalized it wouldn't be hard to find marijuana that has been sold illegally which means one wont have to pay taxes on it.

2. I don't think you understand how a state works.

3. I don't think you understand what the EPA does.
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Postby Neo Arcem » Fri May 18, 2012 8:31 am

I have but one policy for the fetid mess:

1)Seize all nuclear armaments.
2) Activate all launches, spread to cover the globe.
3) Hop planets
4)???
5) Profit!
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Postby Cameroi » Fri May 18, 2012 8:31 am

solar powered narrow gauge railways and a works projects administration to build them.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri May 18, 2012 10:44 am

Neo Arcem wrote:I have but one policy for the fetid mess:

1)Seize all nuclear armaments.
2) Activate all launches, spread to cover the globe.
3) Hop planets
4)???
5) Profit!

...

You know, most of us were being fairly serious.
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Postby Godular » Fri May 18, 2012 11:06 am

I'm all about personal responsibility. Too many people nowadays think they can get away with nabbing the frills without paying the bills.

Social Policy---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Health Care-- Agree to pony up an additional 10%-ish in taxes, get free health care. Must pony up the taxes for the entire year to get the benefits for that year. Note usage of the words 'agree to', as this is intended to be optional. If somebody doesn't want to pay up, they're welcome to take their chances with health insurance or nothing at all. Just don't bitch when ya find yerself out in the cold if shit goes downhill. Oh, and punch the pharmaceutical companies in the face and make 'em charge less for their shit... or we poof the embargoes on Cuba. I hear they have a shockingly robust medical system for pennies on the dollar.

Contraceptives/Abortion-- Unrestricted Abortion for first trimester only. After the first trimester, you must want that kid, so no abortion except in cases of medical necessity (or the ultrasound shows the kid ain't got a brain. Ancephalia is not a happy fun story and you anti-abortion nutsacks need to be cognizant of that fact). Fed Health care as outlined above will cover this. ALL health care providers will cover this in the event of rape. Period. The fetus might not have had control over how it was concieved, but the rapist has inflicted a life upon the woman against her will and as such that fetus is as much a parasite as a tapeworm.

Marriage-- Removed from the government lexicon entirely. ONLY Civil Unions exist. Marriage certificates can be dispensed by churches as they see fit, but in regards to benefits those certificates hold as much weight as the paper they're printed on. Whether members of these civil unions call themselves partners or 'husband and wife' is purely a matter of semantics that the government has no business giving a shit about. Any attempt by the states to give preference to marriage certificates over civil unions should be treated as a violation of Separation of Church and State.

Drugs-- Legalize and Regulate Marijuana, make serious bank. Drugs like Meth, LSD, PCP, and so on remain uberhypermega controlled because of their potential to cause significant harm to others. Anybody ever seen an angry stoner? They're too busy sitting on the couch counting the dimples on the ceiling to smack a bitch. In relation to drugs however is the next subject:

Driving While Intoxicated / Under the Influence-- Drinker of Booze / User of Drugs does so willingly and demonstrates intent. Failure to secure alternate means of transport home (or have things set such that one does not have to travel while stoned) signifies disregard of consequences and demonstrates malice/premeditation. Getting behind the wheel is securing the means. If that son of a bitch gets on the road and is involved in an accident that winds up with somebody dead, Murder One is the charge the intoxicated party faces. Treat bars that allow drunkards to get behind the wheel as accomplices.

Rape-- Capital Offense. Treat accordingly.

Military-- Women can shoot a gun just as well as anybody else. Just make sure they're aware that they REALLY don't want to be captured. Might make women a lot meaner on the battlefield. 'Specially against them extremist towelheads (no offense to muslims, but I'mma go ahead and treat the fundamentalist wing of any religion with the utter disrespect it deserves)

Illegals-- Make it easier to procure legitimate citizenship. It ain't that they're "Doing the jobs americans won't do", its that the bastards aren't paying taxes. Amnesty given to illegals who take advantage of this particular alteration in policy, so long as they actually go through with it. Deal with illegals still roaming around as terrorists. If they're STILL trying to get over the border without paying the piper, I'mma go ahead and assume they're drug runners trying to haul meth and PCP and whatnot across, which does harm to me and mine. Oh! Speaking of...

Mexico-- You know those drug cartels? Want some help on that front? We have our own reasons for wanting to shoot those shitkickers dead. If ya don't, that's okay, watch the border become a frickin' bigger version of the Korean DMZ, and the Coast Guard suddenly start sporting battleships.

Prostitution-- Legalize and regulate. Make sure them hoes get regular physicals and have declared income. Have established locations where 'interaction' can be relatively controlled in order to ensure the safety of all parties involved. Its gonna happen anyway, might as well make money off of it and keep unwanted guests like HIV and Syphilis from making everyone's acquaintance.

Guns-- Require concealed carry training to acquire/use (me likey guns, me have Concealed Carry License). Unlicensed weapons stay in the house period. You better have those suckers locked up nice and tight cuz if your kid winds up shooting himself in the face its negligent homicide on YOU.

Criminals-- Were I to have my way, we'd follow the Singapore model: You either get fined a percentage of your NET WORTH (I.E. Bill Gates does something bad enough, Microsoft is suddenly a part of the newly formed department of Windows-Oriented Information Systems!), Caned by a Kendo master, or Hanged (Hanging is useful because you can reuse the rope). The point of this system is 'cost-effective'.


Economic Policy---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Outsourcing-- Remove all tax incentives that encourage this.

Energy-- SUBSTANTIALLY boost alternative energy infrastructure. Windmills, Solar, Geothermal, go bonkers. See about getting other countries in the north and south americas on board with this, I.E. help pay for this, they get a chunk of the resultant energy boon commensurate with how much they help pay for. Also see about getting superfast maglev train infrastructure going across the country. Costly on the outset but will save a metric asston in the long run... maybe see about getting airline companies on board with the trains. Shift cars over to using compressed air for propulsion (I saw some stuff on this, looks very promising and a guy can 'refuel' at any gas station tire refill kiosk for quarters)

Environment-- Hopefully the above energy policy will assist in reducing pollution to virtually nil, so this oughta become a moot issue. Reallocate resources accordingly.

Edjumakayshun-- Bolster funding and be less liberal with the ritalin. Make bilingual education a standard practice as it assists in problem solving capabilities elsewhere. Increase difficulty of subject matter to be equivalent to Japan or other 'holy-crap-they're-learning-algebra-in-fourth-grade?!' countries. If parents gripe about how the subject matter is too hard, call the waaaaaaambulance. Treat homeschooling as needing to meet the same standards as public school. Oh, and make sure the kids know that if they don't like evolution, too damn bad. 'God Farted And There We Wuz' ain't gonna cut it. Religion has a place in Theology class, not science. Also reduce tuition for college.

Worker's rights-- Make, MAKE corporations and unions follow a relationship similar to Japan, where the Union has a seat on the board of directors. There is a certain degree of collectivism that can work in the capitalist system, and its called PROFIT SHARING. If the company does well, so do the workers. Evaluate workers on observable qualities to determine how much they contributed and help them improve if needed. Also adjust the minimum wage for inflation. Seriously, there's debate on that?!

Corporations-- Make corporate tax 40%, give 5% tax drops for certain worker-friendly activities. Can demonstrate a net gain of decent paying jobs? Snip. Not outsourcing? Snip. CEO foregoing practice of "Have obscene pay rate yet still have gall to complain about corporate profit margins"? Snip. Tax exemptions are additive and might even result in NO corporate tax. I prefer the notion of making it in the Corporation's best interests to be on board. Sure they can be douchebags, and they'll pay for it.

Rich folks-- pay the same damn taxes as everybody else. Give an exemption or two if they can actually prove that they have contributed to a net gain of decent paying jobs. Those tax cuts for the rich were supposed to create jobs. I wonder what happened with that. Oh yeah, they're greedy sons of bitches.

Unemployment Bennies / Welfare -- Lower benefit period. Provide assistance to families on hard times that can actually demonstrate they are keeping up a job (such as a single mother with entirely too many kids working for minimum wage-- at least she's working). If you work, we can help, if you're gonna lay about and do jack, shit, and everything in between, you will recieve benefits commensurate with your effort.


International Relations-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

America needs to face it: we SUCK at nationbuilding. Our solution to most any problem is to throw money at it and hope it actually goes where its needed. This is very often not the case and comes back to bite us on the ass every time the money doesn't go where it needs to be. Thus-

Foreign Aid-- WE DECIDE WHERE IT GOES. We won't give folks money, we'll come in with construction equipment and workers and build them damn hospitals and schools and roads and training and whatever else is necessary. No more free money. If we're gonna dole out foreign aid, its gonna be in a way that gives our folks actual jobs. If militants decide to make a mess of shit, well, I'm all for letting the aforementioned construction workers wander around armed. Got a problem with it? Tough shit, you don't have to accept our aid, and I'm sure we can find better places to throw the resources, like that guy on the other side of the border you're having a territorial dispute with.

Nukes-- Eh, keep 'em around. They're shiny!

Other weapons-- Work on 'em. Rail guns. Lasers. Pew pew! And quit giving israel the cold shoulder on the shit they come up with. They come up with surprisingly spiffy shit now and then, and they offer it to us on the cheap, and we're like 'NAW MANG, WE GOT RAYTHEON ON THE JOB!' two years later, Raytheon is still on the job... the same job...

Space exploration-- Stop sending people into space. It ain't worth it. A lot of what astronauts do in space is conduct experiments on what astronauts can do in space. Kinda redundant if you ask me, which ya did. Automation is so good nowadays that robots can do anything we can, so why not just stick with that for the moment while we shift the reallocated funding towards improving space travel technology and maybe actually find gravity control or FTL or something else that might be a big deal.

Terrorists-- No negotiation. No mercy. No nuffin'. If they shoot from a crowd of school children, those kids better know to run like crazy or they gonna get shot just like the nutjobs using 'em for cover. We shall regret the unfortunate nature of the results, but the blood is on the terrorists' hands. Also inform any foreign workers in high risk areas to carry a gun at all times and be ready to shoot to kill, as they will get no help from us. 'Release our comrades from prison!' 'No.' 'Then this man dies!' 'Another reason to kill you and all who follow you. You might want to avoid going above ground for the rest of your natural life. Those ain't just vultures in the sky.'

Extraneous stuff

Supreme Court: Punch John Roberts in the face for screwing up Campaign Finance. Corporations are not people, they are constructs OF people. If somebody affiliated with a corporation wishes to donate to a campaign, they are fully welcome to do so... up to the maximum personal limit. Campaigns can only recieve funds from within the affected districts (I'm looking at you, Governor Walker).

Finances: Make a balanced budget a requirement.

Elections: Do away with parties entirely. Were I to have things truly my way, I'd make sure each candidate clearly states his positions on durn near everything and have the polling booth turn into a test in which the person is asked what they feel about various policies and in which order of priority they consider these options, and have the polling station point out which candidate most closely matches their views. Might be funny to watch a Tea Partier accidentally vote straight ticket democrat if he ain't careful.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri May 18, 2012 11:26 am

Here's some things I hadn't thought of before:

1.Illegal immigration and the Border with Mexico
Make it easier to become a legal citizen.
Put the Army on the border. If they're not over the border yet, wave your gun around and tell them to go back. If they're over the border, and a family, tell them to go back. If they're over the border and are a man/men, shoot at them. They are criminals in constant violation of the law.

2. Gun Regulation
The only license you need is for concealed carry. Have responsibility classes, etc, but if the person applying has any sort of a criminal record, it should be automatically denied. People should be able to keep their guns at their house or on their hips in plain view all they want.

3. Homeschooling
Educating your own children is a God-given right. Homeschoolers should be completely left alone. Colleges don't flex their standards for homeschoolers, so if they're going to get higher education, they'll get smart enough at home.
However, if a child is found to not be doing any school (i.e. is outside, on social networking or gaming sites consistently during school hours, etc) or much at all, ask the parent about it. If they are not being educated, either make sure the child starts being educated at home then leave them alone, or have them put in school.

4. Religion in Schools
No one should be forced to pray - but you cannot stop a child from praying in school. Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, and that includes prohibiting children from practicing their religion. Teach evolution, but as a theory. The same with intelligent design. Be fair.

Those things just came to mind.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri May 18, 2012 11:29 am

Here's some things I hadn't thought of before:

1.Illegal immigration and the Border with Mexico
Make it easier to become a legal citizen.
Put the Army on the border. If they're not over the border yet, wave your gun around and tell them to go back. If they're over the border, and a family, tell them to go back. If they're over the border and are a man/men, shoot at them. They are criminals in constant violation of the law.

2. Gun Regulation
The only license you need is for concealed carry. Have responsibility classes, etc, but if the person applying has any sort of a criminal record, it should be automatically denied. People should be able to keep their guns at their house or on their hips in plain view all they want.

3. Homeschooling
Educating your own children is a God-given right. Homeschoolers should be completely left alone. Colleges don't flex their standards for homeschoolers, so if they're going to get higher education, they'll get smart enough at home.
However, if a child is found to not be doing any school (i.e. is outside, on social networking or gaming sites consistently during school hours, etc) or much at all, ask the parent about it. If they are not being educated, either make sure the child starts being educated at home then leave them alone, or have them put in school.

4. Religion in Schools
No one should be forced to pray - but you cannot stop a child from praying in school. Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, and that includes prohibiting children from practicing their religion. Teach evolution, but as a theory. The same with intelligent design. Be fair.

Those things just came to mind.
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Postby Godular » Fri May 18, 2012 11:39 am

Intelligent Design isn't a theory, its biblical creationism with a pretty bow, a lot of circumlocution, and a lot of 'NANANNANANANANANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU NANANANANANANANANNANANA". Evolution is a theory. A SCIENTIFIC Theory. A SCIENTIFIC Theory is a designation shared with Gravitation/General Relativity and several other scientific precepts that we take wholly for granted. Nobody ever got flung skyward by saying 'Gravity is just a theory!'

And that actually is what would happen if the concept worked. You'd rocket upwards and to the east at about 700 mph. Well... you might also slam into the ground at about a tenth the speed of light, depending on how fast the solar system is moving through the galaxy which itself is moving through open space at a pretty good clip towards andromeda which is also moving somewhere else and really the only thing that keeps your feet on the ground is that pesky Theory of Relativity.

Science is fun. Intelligent Design isn't science.

/end thread derail

Oh: And as for prayer in schools, I support that bit to a point. A guy is perfectly welcome to pray on his own time. Thou shalt not use the public announce speakers to do it at the Friday Night Game.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri May 18, 2012 12:31 pm

Godular wrote:Health Care-- Agree to pony up an additional 10%-ish in taxes, get free health care. Must pony up the taxes for the entire year to get the benefits for that year. Note usage of the words 'agree to', as this is intended to be optional. If somebody doesn't want to pay up, they're welcome to take their chances with health insurance or nothing at all. Just don't bitch when ya find yerself out in the cold if shit goes downhill.

First off, taxes will have to be more than just 10% more, also, that system is inefficient. It is better if either everyone pays into the system or no one pays into the system.

Oh, and punch the pharmaceutical companies in the face and make 'em charge less for their shit... or we poof the embargoes on Cuba. I hear they have a shockingly robust medical system for pennies on the dollar.

1. Medicine costs so much because we need to test it. I mean I suppose we can all use untested medicine, just don't bitch when your cholesterol medicine gives you brain tumors or stomach ulcers or something.
2. Even if Cuba did have a good cheap healthcare system (which they don't) how would ending the embargo harm the pharmaceutical companies? Would Americans in the Northeast and Northwest travel to Cuba to buy cheap medication? I sure as hell wouldn't.

After the first trimester, you must want that kid

Or you know, there were other issues, you were still thinking it out, you didn't find out you were pregnant for a while.
Fed Health care as outlined above will cover this. ALL health care providers will cover this in the event of rape.

Why and why? If it isn't a medical necessity it shouldn't be covered. Yes, you were raped, that was bad, doesn't mean the healthcare companies should be forced to pay the bill because you decided you don't want a rape child. Besides there is always adoption and a Cesarean section, isn't the nicest thing to go through, but it is still an option.
The fetus might not have had control over how it was concieved, but the rapist has inflicted a life upon the woman against her will and as such that fetus is as much a parasite as a tapeworm.

No it isn't, if a tapeworm is allowed to sit around it will always cause harm and never leave, a baby leaves after about 9 months, after which you can put it up for adoption. There is no law that says that you have to raise your child. Hell IIRC there is a law that you can drop off a child under a certain age at a hospital and it will be taken into foster care no questions asked.

Legalize and Regulate Marijuana, make serious bank.

You won't make serious bank by taxing marijuana.

Drugs like Meth, LSD, PCP, and so on remain uberhypermega controlled because of their potential to cause significant harm to others.

So can marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco smoke.
Anybody ever seen an angry stoner? They're too busy sitting on the couch counting the dimples on the ceiling to smack a bitch.

And then they get the munchies, drive to a 7/11 and run a guy over because they were driving while impaired.

Driving While Intoxicated / Under the Influence-- Drinker of Booze / User of Drugs does so willingly and demonstrates intent. Failure to secure alternate means of transport home (or have things set such that one does not have to travel while stoned) signifies disregard of consequences and demonstrates malice/premeditation. Getting behind the wheel is securing the means. If that son of a bitch gets on the road and is involved in an accident that winds up with somebody dead, Murder One is the charge the intoxicated party faces. Treat bars that allow drunkards to get behind the wheel as accomplices.

There are so many things wrong with this, first of all that driving while impaired does not mean that it is premeditated or attempted murder.

Rape-- Capital Offense. Treat accordingly.

Breaking News: Rapists start to kill off their victims a lot more. Rape is already a rarely reported crime and will probably be reported a lot less often if the rapist will be executed, especially if it is someone close. Also, if rape is a capital offence there is no reason not to kill their victim since either way they will suffer the same fate if convicted.

Military-- Women can shoot a gun just as well as anybody else. Just make sure they're aware that they REALLY don't want to be captured. Might make women a lot meaner on the battlefield. 'Specially against them extremist towelheads (no offense to muslims, but I'mma go ahead and treat the fundamentalist wing of any religion with the utter disrespect it deserves)

Yeah that was disrespectful towards muslims, towel heads is a racist term, and using it racist. That is like me saying "stay away from those drug peddling negros (no offence to black people, but I'mma go ahead and treat the criminals of any race with the utter disrespect they deserve)" it is still racist.

Mexico-- You know those drug cartels? Want some help on that front? We have our own reasons for wanting to shoot those shitkickers dead. If ya don't, that's okay, watch the border become a frickin' bigger version of the Korean DMZ, and the Coast Guard suddenly start sporting battleships.

Biggest waste of military resources ever. Of all time.

Unlicensed weapons stay in the house period.

Unlicensed weapons shouldn't exist period.

Criminals-- Were I to have my way, we'd follow the Singapore model: You either get fined a percentage of your NET WORTH (I.E. Bill Gates does something bad enough, Microsoft is suddenly a part of the newly formed department of Windows-Oriented Information Systems!), Caned by a Kendo master, or Hanged (Hanging is useful because you can reuse the rope). The point of this system is 'cost-effective'.

It is also very prone to corruption. Bill Gates gets arrested for a small crime, he bribes the judge a lot of money, but less than he would have had to pay if he was convicted. It is a win, win, lose. Gates pays less than he would have, the judge gets a ton of money, and Gates gets no formal conviction harming the victim and/or state.

Energy-- SUBSTANTIALLY boost alternative energy infrastructure. Windmills, Solar, Geothermal, go bonkers. See about getting other countries in the north and south americas on board with this, I.E. help pay for this, they get a chunk of the resultant energy boon commensurate with how much they help pay for.

This whole thing would be unimaginably expensive for little gain, actually probably a loss since maintaining solar and wind power stations is expensive as hell.
Also see about getting superfast maglev train infrastructure going across the country. Costly on the outset but will save a metric asston in the long run... maybe see about getting airline companies on board with the trains.

Lets not and say we did, look at how terrible Amtrak is.

Shift cars over to using compressed air for propulsion (I saw some stuff on this, looks very promising and a guy can 'refuel' at any gas station tire refill kiosk for quarters)

Sounds like an idea that will take 20 years to come about which means it will never actually come about.

Make bilingual education a standard practice as it assists in problem solving capabilities elsewhere.

Source?

Increase difficulty of subject matter to be equivalent to Japan or other 'holy-crap-they're-learning-algebra-in-fourth-grade?!' countries.

Yeah, the problem isn't that they are learning algebra in the fourth grade, the problem is American society.

Also reduce tuition for college.

Let me guess, by regulating colleges more and making them operate at a loss? Or are you going the "let the government pay for it" route?

Make, MAKE corporations and unions follow a relationship similar to Japan, where the Union has a seat on the board of directors.

Yeah Japan isn't exactly the model of a successful economy.

There is a certain degree of collectivism that can work in the capitalist system, and its called PROFIT SHARING. If the company does well, so do the workers. Evaluate workers on observable qualities to determine how much they contributed and help them improve if needed. Also adjust the minimum wage for inflation. Seriously, there's debate on that?!

How about you stop regulating companies so much? If a guy is a good worker he will rise to the top, if he is lazy he will be fired. This promotes efficiency.

Make corporate tax 40%, give 5% tax drops for certain worker-friendly activities. Can demonstrate a net gain of decent paying jobs? Snip. Not outsourcing? Snip. CEO foregoing practice of "Have obscene pay rate yet still have gall to complain about corporate profit margins"? Snip. Tax exemptions are additive and might even result in NO corporate tax. I prefer the notion of making it in the Corporation's best interests to be on board. Sure they can be douchebags, and they'll pay for it.

You have never worked in any management position have you? lets just say your ideas are terrible and leave it as that.

Rich folks-- pay the same damn taxes as everybody else.

Unless you make most of your money through investments you generally do. A bigger problem is that 47% of Americans pay no income taxes.
Give an exemption or two if they can actually prove that they have contributed to a net gain of decent paying jobs.

So there is no reason for me to donate to charities since it doesn't help make jobs? Whatever, I hate poor people and the sick anyway, I would support eugenics if it wasn't a retarded idea.
Those tax cuts for the rich were supposed to create jobs.

Only the kind of "rich" who own businesses or invest in the economy, which do create jobs indirectly. But onto the "other" rich, the kind that don't make jobs directly or indirectly. Now, take a football player, lets say Tom Brady since I like the Patriots, now he doesn't go around hiring people, and as far as I know he doesn't invest a disproportionate amount of his income in stocks, yet he is no less a vital part of the economy. Tom Brady first helps boost the economy by working, TV channels air his games, people pay to watch his games either on TV or in the stadium where they buy snacks and souvenirs. Even disregarding that he still helps the economy by spending money, he has money to spend and will damn well spend it, if he has a house built the workers are paid because of it, when he buys a care some factory worker is helping to remain employed because of him. Everyone has a place in the economy, and disregarding the role they play in the economy will lead to failure.

I wonder what happened with that. Oh yeah, they're greedy sons of bitches.

And you aren't? All humans are greedy, it is good to a degree, it drives us forward, all human actions are due to some form of greed. You dress nicely to impress the opposite (or same) sex because you are greedy for their attention, you work hard for money because you are greedy for money, you help the sick and homeless because you are greedy for the good feeling it provides you by helping people (except for me, I only help people if I can get a tax break or something, but that is because I am a sociopath).

Lower benefit period. Provide assistance to families on hard times that can actually demonstrate they are keeping up a job (such as a single mother with entirely too many kids working for minimum wage-- at least she's working). If you work, we can help, if you're gonna lay about and do jack, shit, and everything in between, you will recieve benefits commensurate with your effort.

I assume you have never been unemployed or a single mother. Unemployment benefits aren't that much, and the people that "mooch off the system" are in the vast minority.

America needs to face it: we SUCK at nationbuilding.

You young people suck at nation building, before the 1980s we were great at it, look at the Philippines, or Germany, or Japan, one was a former colony, the other two had much of their nations reformed thanks to the Marshall Plan. Maybe your generation just sucks at building nations and fighting wars.
Our solution to most any problem is to throw money at it and hope it actually goes where its needed.

Once again, your solution, don't lump every other generation in with your half deaf generation of failed wars.

WE DECIDE WHERE IT GOES. We won't give folks money, we'll come in with construction equipment and workers and build them damn hospitals and schools and roads and training and whatever else is necessary.

Oh I remember this, then the Somali warlords attack, die in their hundreds, kill a couple dozen American special forces and drive us out of their country, mutilating our dead and humiliating the Clinton administration. Yeah lets not try that again. Corruption with limited success is better than bloodshed with no success.

No more free money. If we're gonna dole out foreign aid, its gonna be in a way that gives our folks actual jobs.

What the fuck is it with you and shitty jobs? No one in America, and I mean no one wants to get a job building houses in east Africa while getting shot at.
If militants decide to make a mess of shit, well, I'm all for letting the aforementioned construction workers wander around armed.

And then they die because construction workers make shitty soldiers.

Work on 'em. Rail guns. Lasers. Pew pew!

The Fail!

And quit giving israel the cold shoulder on the shit they come up with. They come up with surprisingly spiffy shit now and then, and they offer it to us on the cheap, and we're like 'NAW MANG, WE GOT RAYTHEON ON THE JOB!' two years later, Raytheon is still on the job... the same job...

Israeli equipment only seems good because it is on shitty shows like future weapons, every country has nifty shit, much of which is better than the israeli equivalent.

No negotiation. No mercy. No nuffin'.

"Understanding is the basis of compromise and compromise is the basis of diplomacy."
-Doctor Henry Killinger

Broad statements like "no negotiation" are really stupid.

If they shoot from a crowd of school children, those kids better know to run like crazy or they gonna get shot just like the nutjobs using 'em for cover.

And your generation wonders why it sucks at nation building? Your generation sucks at knowing how to apply force in warfare.

We shall regret the unfortunate nature of the results, but the blood is on the terrorists' hands.

No it isn't, you are the ones who shot into the crowd of kids. It is like if someone in a crowd is pointing a gun at you and opens fire. If you return fire and kill three people you are going to be arrested for three counts of murder.
Also inform any foreign workers in high risk areas to carry a gun at all times and be ready to shoot to kill, as they will get no help from us.

Wow, you really love shitty jobs.

'Release our comrades from prison!' 'No.' 'Then this man dies!' 'Another reason to kill you and all who follow you. You might want to avoid going above ground for the rest of your natural life. Those ain't just vultures in the sky.'

Yeah, I think you just mentioned why the idea of no compromise is stupid.

Finances: Make a balanced budget a requirement.

Good luck, with your obscene spending, you will be lucky if the deficit only makes up 150% of the GDP in a decade.

Do away with parties entirely.

LOL
Were I to have things truly my way, I'd make sure each candidate clearly states his positions on durn near everything and have the polling booth turn into a test in which the person is asked what they feel about various policies and in which order of priority they consider these options, and have the polling station point out which candidate most closely matches their views. Might be funny to watch a Tea Partier accidentally vote straight ticket democrat if he ain't careful.

Or you could have people vote for a candidate who they think matches their views in more ways than just politics. There are other concepts, like trust and competence. Sure I might have guy with the same views as me in office, but I would rather have a communist if the guy is downright incompetent.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri May 18, 2012 3:12 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Here's some things I hadn't thought of before:

1.Illegal immigration and the Border with Mexico
Make it easier to become a legal citizen.
Put the Army on the border. If they're not over the border yet, wave your gun around and tell them to go back. If they're over the border, and a family, tell them to go back. If they're over the border and are a man/men, shoot at them. They are criminals in constant violation of the law.

2. Gun Regulation
The only license you need is for concealed carry. Have responsibility classes, etc, but if the person applying has any sort of a criminal record, it should be automatically denied. People should be able to keep their guns at their house or on their hips in plain view all they want.

3. Homeschooling
Educating your own children is a God-given right. Homeschoolers should be completely left alone. Colleges don't flex their standards for homeschoolers, so if they're going to get higher education, they'll get smart enough at home.
However, if a child is found to not be doing any school (i.e. is outside, on social networking or gaming sites consistently during school hours, etc) or much at all, ask the parent about it. If they are not being educated, either make sure the child starts being educated at home then leave them alone, or have them put in school.

4. Religion in Schools
No one should be forced to pray - but you cannot stop a child from praying in school. Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, and that includes prohibiting children from practicing their religion. Teach evolution, but as a theory. The same with intelligent design. Be fair.

Those things just came to mind.

1: Sounds terribly sexist. Cut out the shooting bit and I'm okay with it.
2: No. Yes. No. Not in plain view, preferably.
3: That would lead to some children being almost not at all educated outside of what they need to know, and even then not knowing much other than the hard facts. There's a reason teachers have to be trained professionals.
4: Yes, they can pray as long as it's not forced on others.
Evolution is NOT a theory. Evolution is a fact, as is gravity and continental drift. Natural selection is a theory, like gravitation and tectonic plates. Intelligent design is creationism modified to be put in schools.[1]
Be fair? Why not be fair to the flat earthers, too? Let's teach kids that the earth is a disc constantly accelerating through space and that there are giant ice walls on the edge of the earth to keep water in. About as much (of a lack of) evidence for it as for "intelligent" design.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri May 18, 2012 4:20 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Here's some things I hadn't thought of before:

1.Illegal immigration and the Border with Mexico
Make it easier to become a legal citizen.
Put the Army on the border. If they're not over the border yet, wave your gun around and tell them to go back. If they're over the border, and a family, tell them to go back. If they're over the border and are a man/men, shoot at them. They are criminals in constant violation of the law.

2. Gun Regulation
The only license you need is for concealed carry. Have responsibility classes, etc, but if the person applying has any sort of a criminal record, it should be automatically denied. People should be able to keep their guns at their house or on their hips in plain view all they want.

3. Homeschooling
Educating your own children is a God-given right. Homeschoolers should be completely left alone. Colleges don't flex their standards for homeschoolers, so if they're going to get higher education, they'll get smart enough at home.
However, if a child is found to not be doing any school (i.e. is outside, on social networking or gaming sites consistently during school hours, etc) or much at all, ask the parent about it. If they are not being educated, either make sure the child starts being educated at home then leave them alone, or have them put in school.

4. Religion in Schools
No one should be forced to pray - but you cannot stop a child from praying in school. Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, and that includes prohibiting children from practicing their religion. Teach evolution, but as a theory. The same with intelligent design. Be fair.

Those things just came to mind.

1: Sounds terribly sexist. Cut out the shooting bit and I'm okay with it.
2: No. Yes. No. Not in plain view, preferably.
3: That would lead to some children being almost not at all educated outside of what they need to know, and even then not knowing much other than the hard facts. There's a reason teachers have to be trained professionals.
4: Yes, they can pray as long as it's not forced on others.
Evolution is NOT a theory. Evolution is a fact, as is gravity and continental drift. Natural selection is a theory, like gravitation and tectonic plates. Intelligent design is creationism modified to be put in schools.[1]
Be fair? Why not be fair to the flat earthers, too? Let's teach kids that the earth is a disc constantly accelerating through space and that there are giant ice walls on the edge of the earth to keep water in. About as much (of a lack of) evidence for it as for "intelligent" design.

Evolution is a theory, although the definition of a scientific theory is very different than what most people think of when they think of a theory.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri May 18, 2012 4:42 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:1: Sounds terribly sexist. Cut out the shooting bit and I'm okay with it.
2: No. Yes. No. Not in plain view, preferably.
3: That would lead to some children being almost not at all educated outside of what they need to know, and even then not knowing much other than the hard facts. There's a reason teachers have to be trained professionals.
4: Yes, they can pray as long as it's not forced on others.
Evolution is NOT a theory. Evolution is a fact, as is gravity and continental drift. Natural selection is a theory, like gravitation and tectonic plates. Intelligent design is creationism modified to be put in schools.[1]
Be fair? Why not be fair to the flat earthers, too? Let's teach kids that the earth is a disc constantly accelerating through space and that there are giant ice walls on the edge of the earth to keep water in. About as much (of a lack of) evidence for it as for "intelligent" design.

Evolution is a theory, although the definition of a scientific theory is very different than what most people think of when they think of a theory.

No, evolution isn't a theory. Evolution by natural selection is a theory.
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Postby Godular » Fri May 18, 2012 5:12 pm

Re: A-S Empire

We're gonna haveta agree to disagree on a WHOLE DAMN LOT of points. Though I do agree on your comments about Guns and a few other things, and noticed ya didn't have anything to say about my approach to marriage. I approached the Original Post's problem from the viewpoint of an evil overlord capable of saying 'enact these changes or kaboom', complete with behavioral modification. Honestly, that's what it'd take to change things in ANY direction now.

Also I hate it when people nickel and dime quote. Ya disregard a lot of context in so doing.



Re: Evolution

See above post about the importance of a 'Scientific Theory'. A scientific theory is the closest thing to a fact that science allows itself to get. The problem is that there is some confusion between the concept of a Theory and a Hypothesis, whereas most folks who go the 'ITS ONLY A THEORY DERP DERP HUR HUR' approach the word 'Theory' as if it is the same as what Scientists call the hypothesis, I.E. "I'm just taking a shot in the dark here..."

This is not the case. A Scientific Theory is a model for predicting what will happen, and in the case that any gaps in the evidence chain are found, what they'll find when they fill it in (after all, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, to scientists its just an open spot in the puzzle). I've always had an issue with folks who say 'Its just a theory' because it always seems like the equivalent of using one's own ignorance as evidence to support their position. The funny thing about THIS discussion is that people are arguing about the nature of a theory in a way that actually supports the Theory on both sides of the argument. I suppose I just find myself easily amused sometimes.

In extension, Intelligent Design is NOT a theory because it makes no effort at prediction, instead focusing its efforts on saying 'NUH UH!' to the Theory of Evolution.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri May 18, 2012 5:39 pm

Godular wrote:Re: A-S Empire

We're gonna haveta agree to disagree on a WHOLE DAMN LOT of points. Though I do agree on your comments about Guns and a few other things, and noticed ya didn't have anything to say about my approach to marriage. I approached the Original Post's problem from the viewpoint of an evil overlord capable of saying 'enact these changes or kaboom', complete with behavioral modification. Honestly, that's what it'd take to change things in ANY direction now.

Also I hate it when people nickel and dime quote. Ya disregard a lot of context in so doing.



Re: Evolution

See above post about the importance of a 'Scientific Theory'. A scientific theory is the closest thing to a fact that science allows itself to get. The problem is that there is some confusion between the concept of a Theory and a Hypothesis, whereas most folks who go the 'ITS ONLY A THEORY DERP DERP HUR HUR' approach the word 'Theory' as if it is the same as what Scientists call the hypothesis, I.E. "I'm just taking a shot in the dark here..."

This is not the case. A Scientific Theory is a model for predicting what will happen, and in the case that any gaps in the evidence chain are found, what they'll find when they fill it in (after all, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, to scientists its just an open spot in the puzzle). I've always had an issue with folks who say 'Its just a theory' because it always seems like the equivalent of using one's own ignorance as evidence to support their position. The funny thing about THIS discussion is that people are arguing about the nature of a theory in a way that actually supports the Theory on both sides of the argument. I suppose I just find myself easily amused sometimes.

In extension, Intelligent Design is NOT a theory because it makes no effort at prediction, instead focusing its efforts on saying 'NUH UH!' to the Theory of Evolution.

However, evolution is not a scientific theory. Natural selection is.
By your own definition, natural selection can be used for predicting what can happen. Therefore, theory. Evolution, however, is observation.
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri May 18, 2012 6:49 pm

Neo Arcem wrote:I have but one policy for the fetid mess:

1)Seize all nuclear armaments.
2) Activate all launches, spread to cover the globe.
3) Hop planets
4)???
5) Profit!

What is this, Fallout? That was the Enclave's plan.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No one should be forced to pray - but you cannot stop a child from praying in school. Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, and that includes prohibiting children from practicing their religion. Teach evolution, but as a theory. The same with intelligent design. Be fair.

Those things just came to mind.

Intelligent design is not a theory, it's creationism. "Theory" and "Creationism" are mutually exclusive quantities. If you start teaching anti-science as science then you'll wipe out the education system entirely.
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Postby Godular » Fri May 18, 2012 7:27 pm

However, evolution is not a scientific theory. Natural selection is.
By your own definition, natural selection can be used for predicting what can happen. Therefore, theory. Evolution, however, is observation.


Negative, and here is why: Natural selection is merely a component of the Theory of Evolution. There are other driving factors in evolution such as mutations in DNA and genetic drift. Evolution is a Scientific Theory, which is the closest thing science allows to get to 'Law'. Facts only pertain to real and observed bits of data which are employed as evidence to support the overarching theory.

Example Fact: A certain bird has a beak meant for eating seeds. Even a creationist would have a hard time debating this point while observing said bird eating seeds.
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