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What is your view on abortion? (Select all that are applicable)

Pro-life, even if woman's life is in danger.
38
5%
Pro-life, even if the woman's health (including mental health) is in danger.
41
5%
Pro-life, even if the woman has been raped.
54
7%
Pro-life, even if the fetus has physical/mental defects.
68
8%
Pro-life, even if the woman cannot afford the baby.
88
11%
Pro-life, even if the woman is a teen.
92
11%
Pro-choice up to the 12th week.
87
11%
Pro-choice up to the 24th week.
107
13%
Pro-choice all the way through.
198
24%
Other (please specify)
50
6%
 
Total votes : 823

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Postby Rick Rollin » Sat May 05, 2012 8:01 pm

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Albicia wrote:Did over 100 people approve of abortion throughout the pregnancy. That is truly evil.

No. What is truly evil is forcing a woman to give birth even when it endangers her own life.

Most pro-lifers aren't that evil.
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Postby Wiztopia » Sat May 05, 2012 8:13 pm

The Cummunist State wrote:
Rick Rollin wrote:He wants proof that there was flaming going on.

It seems quite like he was asking for proof that attacking him instead of his arguments is bad. If not, sorry.


I don't see how you could have come to that conclusion at all.

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Postby The Cummunist State » Sat May 05, 2012 8:20 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
The Cummunist State wrote:It seems quite like he was asking for proof that attacking him instead of his arguments is bad. If not, sorry.


I don't see how you could have come to that conclusion at all.

Let me make it clear.
He said, basically, "Attacking me is not cool, attack my arguments"
You asked for proof
Ergo, me, not knowing the full backstory as I'm not backtracking through so many pages, reasonably assumed that you were asking for proof on what he actually SAID.

Get it?
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Postby A High Dark Place » Sat May 05, 2012 8:39 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
Your argument is the only absurd one. Comparing slavers and back alley abortionists is absurd. You're also pretty disgusting that you want to force a woman to go through 9 months of pain of remembering her rapist.


Since you asked, there's your citation Wiztopia. I'm not sure why you'd want to draw attention to it ...

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Postby Wiztopia » Sat May 05, 2012 8:40 pm

A High Dark Place wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Your argument is the only absurd one. Comparing slavers and back alley abortionists is absurd. You're also pretty disgusting that you want to force a woman to go through 9 months of pain of remembering her rapist.


Since you asked, there's your citation Wiztopia. I'm not sure why you'd want to draw attention to it ...


And a troll post from somebody who obviously didn't even readt he post. Good effort though. You can have a cookie.
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Postby Rick Rollin » Sat May 05, 2012 8:44 pm

A High Dark Place wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Your argument is the only absurd one. Comparing slavers and back alley abortionists is absurd. You're also pretty disgusting that you want to force a woman to go through 9 months of pain of remembering her rapist.


Since you asked, there's your citation Wiztopia. I'm not sure why you'd want to draw attention to it ...

It's not a flame to me.
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Postby A High Dark Place » Sat May 05, 2012 8:49 pm

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Oppressorion wrote:For the record, I have been reading the posts after mine. They're...interesting. I've been...re-examining my priorities and drawing new conclusions.

Insulting me as a person rather than my arguments are still not OK.


Citation needed for the bolded.


Are you disputing that Oppressorion was personally attacked?

Or are you questioning whether personal attacks are OK?

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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Sat May 05, 2012 8:55 pm

This poll is so disgustingly geared towards making pro-lifers look bad. How about an option "Pro-Life except in cases of rape, incest, miscarriage or when potentially life threatening".
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 05, 2012 8:57 pm

Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 05, 2012 8:58 pm

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Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?

I ask again.

I need a kidney.

Should you be required to give me one of yours at the point of a gun?
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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Sat May 05, 2012 8:58 pm

It also sickens be how a majority of people are 'pro-life all the way through', that includes up to hours before the baby is born or even partial or full birth abortion. If killing a fully developed infant isn't murder then I'm not sure what is.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat May 05, 2012 8:58 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?
I have no idea. *stirs some fetus soup* :p
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat May 05, 2012 8:58 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?

Yes. They do.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sat May 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?


Not when it is inside of another person.
ps. Children make noise, wear clothing, feels, and are sentient. A fetus is none of those things.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat May 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Jefferson and Paul wrote:It also sickens be how a majority of people are 'pro-life all the way through', that includes up to hours before the baby is born or even partial or full birth abortion. If killing a fully developed infant isn't murder then I'm not sure what is.

Do you have any idea on how often this happens? I do.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?

Yes. They do.

Wow, that is disgusting.
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?


Not when it is inside of another person.
ps. Children make noise, wear clothing, feels, and are sentient. A fetus is none of those things.

Psst.

Fetuses, at certain stages, definitely feel and are definitely sentient. They do react to stimuli.

Then again, so does a rat.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat May 05, 2012 9:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Yes. They do.

Wow, that is disgusting.

Why? You didn't know that women had this right?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 05, 2012 9:01 pm

Galloism wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?

I ask again.

I need a kidney.

Should you be required to give me one of yours at the point of a gun?

If no one else will give you one, at all, and you are about to die, yes, I suppose so. Though I doubt it would come to that.
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Postby Wiztopia » Sat May 05, 2012 9:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What about the child's body? They have the right to decide whether that child lives or dies?


A fetus is a fetus. A child is a child.

Jefferson and Paul wrote:It also sickens be how a majority of people are 'pro-life all the way through', that includes up to hours before the baby is born or even partial or full birth abortion. If killing a fully developed infant isn't murder then I'm not sure what is.


Her body, her choice. Also it isn't an infant until it is born. So until it is born it is still a fetus.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 05, 2012 9:01 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Wow, that is disgusting.

Why? You didn't know that women had this right?

I know they have that "right," and I find it horrible.
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 05, 2012 9:02 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Galloism wrote:I ask again.

I need a kidney.

Should you be required to give me one of yours at the point of a gun?

If no one else will give you one, at all, and you are about to die, yes, I suppose so. Though I doubt it would come to that.

So... you are actually for forced medical procedures and operations in order to save someone else?

Wow... never really thought I'd encounter that.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat May 05, 2012 9:04 pm

Galloism wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:If no one else will give you one, at all, and you are about to die, yes, I suppose so. Though I doubt it would come to that.

So... you are actually for forced medical procedures and operations in order to save someone else?

Wow... never really thought I'd encounter that.

It's also weird that he isn't aware that it does come to that. Often.
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 05, 2012 9:05 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Galloism wrote:So... you are actually for forced medical procedures and operations in order to save someone else?

Wow... never really thought I'd encounter that.

It's also weird that he isn't aware that it does come to that. Often.

Well, fewer people would die waiting for organs to become available... unlike now.

However, that's a super-authoritarian sort of society, where they can come to your house and tell you it's your turn to "donate" a kidney. Now.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 05, 2012 9:06 pm

Galloism wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:If no one else will give you one, at all, and you are about to die, yes, I suppose so. Though I doubt it would come to that.

So... you are actually for forced medical procedures and operations in order to save someone else?

Wow... never really thought I'd encounter that.

You would condone someone dying because another person didn't feel like being charitable?
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