Is abortion right? (What's your view on abortion?)

[Rick Rollin]

Because going thru a pussy doesn't pop a brain into ones head.

I didn't say it did? I believe it's correct all the way until shortly before birth because it is the woman's body, and I kinda think people should be able to rid their bodies of other living things, especially parasites

I didn't say I agree with him.

[The Cummunist State]

I didn't say it did? I believe it's correct all the way until shortly before birth because it is the woman's body, and I kinda think people should be able to rid their bodies of other living things, especially parasites

I didn't say I agree with him.

Then why are you talking for him? You're getting annoying with all of this.

[Ifreann]

Of course not.

You previously implied that the mother is more important because she got pregnant.

News to me.

[Rick Rollin]

I didn't say I agree with him.

Then why are you talking for him? You're getting annoying with all of this.

I'm a logic nazi.

You previously implied that the mother is more important because she got pregnant.

News to me.

You aren't adding up.

[Katganistan]

It's not assassination. Appeal to emotion.

Damn right it's an appeal to emotion
How would you feel if your wife decided to go cocoos and murder your defenseles child just to one up you or somesuch? Because women DO THAT
A woman can enrage at the tip of a hat and once they do you can FORGET logic. Pregnancy = Hormone Storm and Hormone Storm = Even LESS logic!

I will not stand for giving insane women the right to kill the sons of upstanding, loving men.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If you have such a low opinion of women, do yourself and them a favor -- stay away from them. Abortion to one up a man? That's the sickest, most paranoid crap I've heard -- and I've been around a long time.

[Katganistan]

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Also are you seriously telling me women should be allowed to assassinate YOUR son (Or MY son, ANYONE's son) just because they WANT to and no other reason?
I'm sorry but are you high right now?

I think in this aspect, you may be right. However, there is another side to this coin. Some spiteful women may also keep a baby for no other reason than to be a living, breathing "fuck you" that the man is going to have to pay child support for. Also, if laws are enacted that force women to carry a baby because the father wants it, it could open up women to a form of legal abuse.

I think there should be a trade-off here. The father should have a say in whether the baby is aborted. If the father explicitly says "I don't want any part of this baby, get rid of it or raise it alone" early in the legal abortion period, he should be absolved of any responsibility for it.

That's not a tradeoff; that's trying to make legal the "She's a slut, it ain't mine!" defense so neatly cut off by paternity tests.

[Katganistan]

Why do you hate women? No, I won't do that. Bad Condy.

Bodily autonomy. If it's a child and she doesn't want it there, she has a right to remove it when she damn pleases, because it's her body. If it isn't, there is no ethical issue.

The unborn child, who has rights independent of the mother, is a separate human being lying within the womb of the mother.

Embryos and fetuses are not persons and do not have rights.

[A High Dark Place]

What everyone (who disagrees with you) sees:

A brain immediately pops into your head once you are born.

I'm rather pro-choice if you want to know, but that wasn't an argument for or against abortion. It was a joke.

The futility of trying to imagine one's own non-existence isn't getting any chuckles I see. Tough crowd.

[A High Dark Place]

It's not assassination. Appeal to emotion.

Damn right it's an appeal to emotion
How would you feel if your wife decided to go cocoos and murder your defenseles child just to one up you or somesuch? Because women DO THAT
A woman can enrage at the tip of a hat and once they do you can FORGET logic. Pregnancy = Hormone Storm and Hormone Storm = Even LESS logic!

I will not stand for giving insane women the right to kill the sons of upstanding, loving men.

How about daughters?

[Cameroi]

every fetus has an inalienable right, not to be born, into an overcrowded world, that has no place for it.

[Galloism]

Damn right it's an appeal to emotion
How would you feel if your wife decided to go cocoos and murder your defenseles child just to one up you or somesuch? Because women DO THAT
A woman can enrage at the tip of a hat and once they do you can FORGET logic. Pregnancy = Hormone Storm and Hormone Storm = Even LESS logic!

I will not stand for giving insane women the right to kill the sons of upstanding, loving men.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If you have such a low opinion of women, do yourself and them a favor -- stay away from them. Abortion to one up a man? That's the sickest, most paranoid crap I've heard -- and I've been around a long time.

You aborted my son to one-up me.

At least, that's what I told the papers.

[Rick Rollin]

Damn right it's an appeal to emotion
How would you feel if your wife decided to go cocoos and murder your defenseles child just to one up you or somesuch? Because women DO THAT
A woman can enrage at the tip of a hat and once they do you can FORGET logic. Pregnancy = Hormone Storm and Hormone Storm = Even LESS logic!

I will not stand for giving insane women the right to kill the sons of upstanding, loving men.

How about daughters?

Abort them and mandate buttsex for all men.

[Ifreann]

News to me.

You aren't adding up.

Because I'm not a capital sigma.

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The unborn child, who has rights independent of the mother, is a separate human being lying within the womb of the mother.

Embryos and fetuses are not persons and do not have rights.

And even if they were, they don't have a right to use a woman's body without her permission.

[Katganistan]

By that logic, since I need a kidney, and you're a match, some people with guns are going to arrest you and force you to undergo surgery to give me one of yours.

Hey, my right to life trumps your bodily autonomy.

False analogy. At fertilization, your right to bodily sovereignty has already been "violated", so to speak. A more accurate analogy would be a case where someone stole one of your kidneys and transplanted it into their body. Would you have the right to remove it, if you knew that it would kill them? I think it's clear that the answer is no.

WHy not? It's your kidney, they had no right to it in the first place, and if your remaining one fails, you could die.
Let the thieving bastard go on dialysis.

[Hallistar]

False analogy. At fertilization, your right to bodily sovereignty has already been "violated", so to speak. A more accurate analogy would be a case where someone stole one of your kidneys and transplanted it into their body. Would you have the right to remove it, if you knew that it would kill them? I think it's clear that the answer is no.

WHy not? It's your kidney, they had no right to it in the first place, and if your remaining one fails, you could die.
Let the thieving bastard go on dialysis.

^This.

Besides, Organ synthesis is going to grow vastly as a field within the next decade or two.

[Katganistan]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

Are you a fetus?
How are you reaching the keyboard?

[Hallistar]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

The fetus wants nothing. The fetus knows nothing. The fetus is just there.

Infanticide at the age of 10 is in no way similar to the abortion of a fetus.

Fetuses represent possibilities, just like all the hundreds of thousands of eggs in a woman that have not been conceived and are possibilities.

[Galloism]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

Are you a fetus?
How are you reaching the keyboard?

Wireless keyboard. Higher frequencies can pass through human flesh.

It really has to be sterilized first, though.

[Katganistan]

Did over 100 people approve of abortion throughout the pregnancy. That is truly evil.

Did anyone approve of forcing women to be pregnant and give birth against their will? That is truly evil.

[Hallistar]

Did over 100 people approve of abortion throughout the pregnancy. That is truly evil.

Is it because it makes you feel bad that women aren't incubators serving men?

[Katganistan]

I feel the need to break this one out again.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Abortion is definitely morally right. A woman has every right to not be pregnant. She is allowed autonomy over herself, no matter whether what is inside her a tapeworm, kitten, crock pot, or Z/E/F. She has the right to become pregnant at anytime, given that she can find a partner willing to have condomless-sex with her or can afford to be inseminated, etc. She has every right to give birth, or to not give birth, to be pregnant or to not be pregnant.

Why? Because it's her damn body, not yours. It's her financial, emotion, mental situation, not yours. It's her vagina. You have no right to tell her that she MUST give birth, potentially ruin her financial situation, emotional well-being, mental health, and body. That's not your choice, it's hers. I do not give any shits about whether or not you think a Z/E/F is a human or a person. If someone shoved you up my ass, even by accident, I have every right to remove you, even if it means that you would die. It goes the same for if I was inside you.

And beyond that, do you know what forced birth is? It's slavery. To tell a woman, "Oh, you have a non-sentient, non-feeling, non-viable Z/E/F in your body, therefore you can't own your own body anymore" is slavery. That is slavery of millions upon millions of women and girls every year. It's taking her right to bodily autonomy and throwing it in the trash. It strips women of their rights, and it does nothing but hurt women, crime rates, the economy, families, etc.

Whenever you get pregnant, you make make your own choice. I made mine and so did millions upon millions of other women. And we're fucking thrilled to not be slaves to our rapists, boyfriends, husbands, one-night-stands, drunken-mistakes, etc.

[Hallistar]

Abortion is definitely morally right. A woman has every right to not be pregnant. She is allowed autonomy over herself, no matter whether what is inside her a tapeworm, kitten, crock pot, or Z/E/F. She has the right to become pregnant at anytime, given that she can find a partner willing to have condomless-sex with her or can afford to be inseminated, etc. She has every right to give birth, or to not give birth, to be pregnant or to not be pregnant.

Why? Because it's her damn body, not yours. It's her financial, emotion, mental situation, not yours. It's her vagina. You have no right to tell her that she MUST give birth, potentially ruin her financial situation, emotional well-being, mental health, and body. That's not your choice, it's hers. I do not give any shits about whether or not you think a Z/E/F is a human or a person. If someone shoved you up my ass, even by accident, I have every right to remove you, even if it means that you would die. It goes the same for if I was inside you.

And beyond that, do you know what forced birth is? It's slavery. To tell a woman, "Oh, you have a non-sentient, non-feeling, non-viable Z/E/F in your body, therefore you can't own your own body anymore" is slavery. That is slavery of millions upon millions of women and girls every year. It's taking her right to bodily autonomy and throwing it in the trash. It strips women of their rights, and it does nothing but hurt women, crime rates, the economy, families, etc.

Whenever you get pregnant, you make make your own choice. I made mine and so did millions upon millions of other women. And we're fucking thrilled to not be slaves to our rapists, boyfriends, husbands, one-night-stands, drunken-mistakes, etc.

"YER GOING TO HELL FOR HOW DARE ENJOY LIFE AND MAKE OWN DECISIONS"

Jk, you more or less told it how it is.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

"YER GOING TO HELL FOR HOW DARE ENJOY LIFE AND MAKE OWN DECISIONS"

Jk, you more or less told it how it is.

Of course I did.
If you mess with the Fourth Wave, you're gonna have a bad time.

[Meowfoundland]

Did over 100 people approve of abortion throughout the pregnancy. That is truly evil.

No. What is truly evil is forcing a woman to give birth even when it endangers her own life.