Is abortion right? (What's your view on abortion?)

[Rick Rollin]

I don't know. On one hand it's killing babies, but on the other it's giving women a choice.

The whole debate is whether that makes sense. Right?

Who's killing babies?! No, we're talking about fetuses.

Ironically, if we WERE to actually outlaw abortion (and restrict all substances that can induce it, and have an oversight force of such strength to make it nearly universally enforceable), the logical result WOULD be more killing of babies, as that would result in more babies born that parents didn't want, in circumstances where the law could not be certain they were actually born.

Infant murder would logically increase.

You have have to prove there's a difference first though.

[Sangrivia]

I am pro-choice up to the 24th week, at which point I begin to take a philosophical shift in my view on the matter.

That being said, that just means I stop supporting the choice itself, but to me, I support the right to have an abortion all the way through, with the exception of Partial Birth Abortions.

[Norstal]

Who's killing babies?! No, we're talking about fetuses.

Well I mean killing babies I can support, but giving women a choice? Come on now!

I c wat u did thar.

[Giovenith]

I am pro-choice. Most "pro-life" people I've met basically just go on and on with a slightly more complicated version of, "babies are cute" for their reasons.

[Norstal]

I am pro-choice. Most "pro-life" people I've met basically just go on and on with a slightly more complicated version of, "babies are cute" for their reasons.

They have not seen the skeleton of fetuses.

Kill it. Kill it with fire.

[Newly Found Territories]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

[Giovenith]

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[Galloism]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

[Ifreann]

Here's an absolutely revolutionary, insane, radical concept for anybody who is against abortion...If you don't like abortions, don't fucking get one. But don't disable other people who want or actually need one from getting it simply because you don't like it. That's called being a greedy prick, and nobody likes a greedy prick.

/rant

Need one? Sweetie, 95% of US abortions are because the women “don't want the baby.” They don't need an abortion. They want one.

Well fucking duh, he said that himself.

want or actually need one

And, of course, source.

[Zipzopzoobitybop]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

If it's not alive, it's not murder. Simple, you're trying to make it a more complex argument than what it is, in order to make your inherently flawed views seem less flawed.

[The Cummunist State]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

All of that applies to a tapeworm as well. Would you force people to have that in their body? Why a parasite such as a fetus then?

[Norstal]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

We have food, shelter, the second amendment.

Not really seeing your point here.

[Giovenith]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

A fetus is not developed enough to "want" much of anything. Just instinctive need to eat nutrition, and that's about it.

And kittens and tomatos are living things too (well at least tomato seeds are... wait... if we eat the seeds of a tomato... aren't we eating unborn tomato babies? FRUIT MURDER!!!).

[Ifreann]

I wasn't making an analogy with abortion, I was making one with forcing women to remain pregnant.

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Of course, at the end of the day the personhood or otherwise of embryos or foetuses doesn't matter.

What everyone (who disagrees with you) sees:

WAH! IT'S ALL ABOUT ME! NOT THE BABY, ME!

Of course it is. Women are the ones who are pregnant, who else is it going to be about?

[Newly Found Territories]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

[The Cummunist State]

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

I know where you're going. It doesn't work because fetuses are not people.

[Galloism]

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

I would say that people with enough cognitive ability to be classified as "individuals" have a right to life.

This tends to exclude things like the braindead, fetuses, and zombies.

[Giovenith]

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

I have a right to live because I have a developed personality, memories, friends, family, pets, in other words, I have stuff to lose. People and things around me would be effected.
A fetus does not have anything to lose, not much will be effected by it's loss. And no, it's "possible life" does not count as something to lose.

[Auralia]

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I'll also point out that holding a strong opinion, as Milennias did, does not equal trolling. This is a divisive issue with strong opinions on each side, and I'll expect you to respect that in future.

While Milennias was *** deleted as punishment *** for posting the link, that player is welcome to create another nation and continue the discussion. Anyone who steps out of line on either side of the debate will be dealt with according to site rules.

Isn't Katganistan also a Senior Game Moderator?

[Ifreann]

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

I would say that people with enough cognitive ability to be classified as "individuals" have a right to life.

This tends to exclude things like the braindead, fetuses, and zombies.

Hey, the living-impaired have the same rights as you or I!

[Rick Rollin]

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

Prove it.

No it is not right. A fetus is not a woman's body, if you believe abortion is acceptable, then a mother murdering her child at the age of 10 years is also. What will the fetus become? A kitten, a microwave? How about a tomato? The fetus will become a life. It has commited no crime, it is only doing one thing, attempting to live. They only want to live. If we don't even have a right to live, what do we have?

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

NOT THE SINGULARITY'S WATCH!

What everyone (who disagrees with you) sees:

Of course it is. Women are the ones who are pregnant, who else is it going to be about?

Erm, the supposed 'baby'?

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

WE(WDWY)S:

*completely misses point*

[The Cummunist State]

Isn't Katganistan also a Senior Game Moderator?

Yeah. They're just fair.

[Giovenith]

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

I would say that people with enough cognitive ability to be classified as "individuals" have a right to life.

This tends to exclude things like the braindead, fetuses, and zombies.

At least the zombies USED to be individuals.

[Zipzopzoobitybop]

In the future, you will sometime become a corpse.

Based upon this information, I'm sure it will be all right to bury you. All human corpses deserve a good burial (or burning).

Everybody will become a corpse, yes, thank you for that insightful info.

No it is not alright, I am still alive. Corpses will remain corpses, but a fetus is in a constantly changing state, to become a life.

I have a question, do people have a right to live? Or can you get killed by a mass murder at anytime?

A fetus that's trying "to become a life" isn't a life, and cannot survive if the mother cannot survive. If it hasn't breathed on its own, it hasn't lived. Your argument is invalid.

[Galloism]

I would say that people with enough cognitive ability to be classified as "individuals" have a right to life.

This tends to exclude things like the braindead, fetuses, and zombies.

At least the zombies USED to be individuals.

Technically, I'm not sure they have a right to "Life" anyway, since they are still dead, just reanimated.

Just remember to remove the head or destroy the brain.