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What is your view on abortion? (Select all that are applicable)

Pro-life, even if woman's life is in danger.
38
5%
Pro-life, even if the woman's health (including mental health) is in danger.
41
5%
Pro-life, even if the woman has been raped.
54
7%
Pro-life, even if the fetus has physical/mental defects.
68
8%
Pro-life, even if the woman cannot afford the baby.
88
11%
Pro-life, even if the woman is a teen.
92
11%
Pro-choice up to the 12th week.
87
11%
Pro-choice up to the 24th week.
107
13%
Pro-choice all the way through.
198
24%
Other (please specify)
50
6%
 
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Postby Bleckonia » Wed May 02, 2012 4:11 pm

I personally believe that it is a mother's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy or to give birth to the child. A woman being able to control her reproduction is fundamental in women's rights. There are a few main supporting arguments that I would like to post:

1. If abortion is outlawed, then illegal, back-alley abortions will continue. These clandestine abortion are largely unsafe, with many involving the use of coathangers, dangerous chemicals, and unsafe actions, such as bumping the fetus. It is better if women are able to safely get an abortion with modern technology.

2. Face it, a large percentage of abortions involve poor women. If the woman is forced to carry the fetus all the way through term, then this can be a huge financial burden on her. It would also impact the child, who has to live in this environment. Also, this may force an increase in the welfare budget (which many pro-lifers, especially Republicans, oppose).

3. Most fetuses that are aborted are unwanted. An unwanted child may suffer emotional distress growing up in a family that does not want it.

4. If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant due to this, she ought to be able to terminate the pregnancy. She should not be forced to carry a baby that she doesn't want (and will only remind her of the rape) and possibly cannot financially or emotionally support.

5. If a woman's life is in danger, she should DEFINITELY be able to get an abortion to save her life. This is just common sense: it's either the fetus dies, or the woman AND the fetus dies. Either way, the fetus is dead. Why not save the woman in the process?

6. For many, being pro-life is for religious reasons, and religion should stay separate from public policy. If you're religious and are opposed to abortion, then DON'T GET ONE! But don't trample on other women's rights to choose.


So, NS, what's your opinion?
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Postby Straight From Above » Wed May 02, 2012 4:13 pm

But here's the problem with allowing abortion:

If we allow women total control, ownership, and choice over their own bodies, they'll get...uppity.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Wed May 02, 2012 4:15 pm

Straight From Above wrote:But here's the problem with allowing abortion:

If we allow women total control, ownership, and choice over their own bodies, they'll get...uppity.

So?
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Postby Straight From Above » Wed May 02, 2012 4:17 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Straight From Above wrote:But here's the problem with allowing abortion:

If we allow women total control, ownership, and choice over their own bodies, they'll get...uppity.

So?


So then they'll want all kinds of things. Self-determination, autonomy as sentient beings....offices, too, probably.
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Postby Prometheos » Wed May 02, 2012 4:17 pm

Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.
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Postby Novariea » Wed May 02, 2012 4:17 pm

Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.
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Postby Norstal » Wed May 02, 2012 4:18 pm

Straight From Above wrote:But here's the problem with allowing abortion:

If we allow women total control, ownership, and choice over their own bodies, they'll get...uppity.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed May 02, 2012 4:18 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Straight From Above wrote:But here's the problem with allowing abortion:

If we allow women total control, ownership, and choice over their own bodies, they'll get...uppity.

So?

Don't take it seriously. SFA is actually somewhat of a funny satirist. Or troll. One of the two.

Abortion is morally right on a case by case basis as to the procedure, but the idea of abortions in relation to bodily sovereignty is entirely right.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed May 02, 2012 4:19 pm

Prometheos wrote:Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.

I disagree. Abortion is inherently morally neutral as a starting point, drifting towards light gray or dark grey depending on the circumstances.

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed May 02, 2012 4:21 pm

Prometheos wrote:Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.


My mother aborted my "elder-brother" when she was a lot younger, because she and my dad did not, at that time, have the means to support a child; I was born, after they did.

All in all, I've had a good life. She made the responsible choice and my "brother" does not, and did not at the time, regret her decision. :)
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Postby Chinese Regions » Wed May 02, 2012 4:21 pm

Prometheos wrote:Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.

Morality does not exist.
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Postby Hebalobia » Wed May 02, 2012 4:22 pm

I'm not sure if "Is abortion morally right" is the correct question. I would answer no it's not, but I still favor Choice at least through the first trimester.

After that, it gets a bit dicey but it's still not my call. Only the woman involved and those she chooses to include in the decision have the right to render an opinion; only the woman herself can make the ultimate decision.

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Postby Delik » Wed May 02, 2012 4:22 pm

4. If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant due to this, she ought to be able to terminate the pregnancy. She should not be forced to carry a baby that she doesn't want (and will only remind her of the rape) and possible cannot financially or emotionally support.

so, what you're saying is, since there was a rape, we can also have a MURDER? AN UNBORN MURDER?
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA! lets make it Legal to rape the dead baby, and have TWO rapes! And then we can set the whole town on fire and dance around naked singing "Excitable Boy" by Warren Zevon! wadda ya say? :lol:

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Postby Galloism » Wed May 02, 2012 4:22 pm

The question is: do we really want people to be forced to become parents if they are physically, mentally, emotionally, or financially unable to care for that child?

I think the answer is no.

Hell, I'd subsidize low income abortions if I could. That's a terrible thing to force on someone against their will.
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Postby Itanica » Wed May 02, 2012 4:23 pm

Up until the legal age for abortion in the UK (24 weeks), a foetus is a part of the woman's body, is not self aware and totally relies on the mother to stay alive, if you can even call it that. It's nervous system hasn't developed and many of its organs aren't finished, let alone working.

Saying it's immoral to kill a foetus is like saying its immoral to pick a flower. They are both living things that are totally dependent on the thing that they are connected to.
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Postby Auremena » Wed May 02, 2012 4:23 pm

Morals are relative. They should not have an impact on a government's decision to outlaw or legalize something. If a woman wants to get an abortion, by all means, go ahead. If she doesn't because she feels morally obligated not to, fine by me. But that's not everyone's choice.
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Postby Socialist Ecuador » Wed May 02, 2012 4:24 pm

Prometheos wrote:Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.

There are no collective morals possessed by every person. It may violate your moral code, in which case, you are perfectly free to not have abortions.
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Postby Southern Patriots » Wed May 02, 2012 4:25 pm

I'm completely pro-choice. Even if the baby is about to be born, or has just been born. Or was born 40 years ago and is working a management position at a moderately successful business. It's the mother's choice.

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Postby Nadkor » Wed May 02, 2012 4:25 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Prometheos wrote:Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.

Morality does not exist.


You make the mistake of thinking that just because something is subjective it doesn't exist.
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Postby The Greater Texas Area » Wed May 02, 2012 4:25 pm

Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What draws the boundary between their body, and the body developing inside them that they have accidentally created? Unless in certain special cases, e.g. rape, incest, horrendous birth defects etc, abortion is wrong.

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Wed May 02, 2012 4:26 pm

No. It's never morally right to kill an innocent human being, fetus or not.

However I find myself reasoning despite being strongly pro-life that criminalizing abortion would be a massive mistake. Frankly supposing we recognize fetuses as human beings and in my mind even just after conception it has a real meaning as a true human being; there is not, nor should there ever be a legal basis for a human life, dependent or not being able to use the body of another person against their will.

Governments should encourage responsible family planning and discourage the use of abortion except in emergencies. That said, it must remain legal and safe as a practice. As wholly abominable as it is there is no legal justification for punishing a woman for removing another person from her body. Indeed all legal frameworks as they stand strongly support her right to do so.

Abortion is wrong, but it should be legal and should be practised in sanitary medical institutions for the safety of the mother.
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Postby Norstal » Wed May 02, 2012 4:26 pm

Southern Patriots wrote:I'm completely pro-choice. Even if the baby is about to be born, or has just been born. Or was born 40 years ago and is working a management position at a moderately successful business. It's the mother's choice.

If they have a successful business, why would they stay in their mom's? D:
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Postby Straight From Above » Wed May 02, 2012 4:26 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Prometheos wrote:Whether you're pro-choice or not, abortion is morally unacceptable.


My mother aborted my "elder-brother" when she was a lot younger, because she and my dad did not, at that time, have the means to support a child; I was born, after they did.

All in all, I've had a good life. She made the responsible choice and my "brother" does not, and did not at the time, regret her decision. :)


Except in the Lovecraft version where your brother's fetal remains were recovered by Dr. Herbert West, and he's been plotting his revenge all these years, and in turns out you've been facebook friends for years, unbeknownst to one another, and you inadvertently ask him to be best man at your wedding...

and hijinks ensue.
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Postby Prometheos » Wed May 02, 2012 4:26 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:I disagree. Abortion is inherently morally neutral as a starting point, drifting towards light gray or dark grey depending on the circumstances.

Abortion is morally unacceptable -- period. Elaborate, please.

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Postby Galloism » Wed May 02, 2012 4:27 pm

The Greater Texas Area wrote:
Novariea wrote:Women have the right to control their own bodies. End of.

What draws the boundary between their body, and the body developing inside them that they have accidentally created? Unless in certain special cases, e.g. rape, incest, horrendous birth defects etc, abortion is wrong.

Why does the fetus suddenly deserve to die because of the actions of its parents?
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