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Postby Vassel » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:07 pm

Homosexy wrote:Last Saturday, I became a victim and now a survivor of a rape. Before this, I did not know about this world that I would soon be thrown into where more than 3 out of the 10 people I told, replied with "me too". Where the 1 in 5 girls in the United States statistic becomes a real thing. So I'm becoming very passionate about the topic, and would like to use NSG as an opportunity to discuss the topic, try to raise awareness, and finally just kind of try to figure out why it has to happen, and how we can remedy it. I'm coming out with it, as soon as I am, because I want to put a name and a face to the statistic, and bring in my raw, week old experience, to do something about it.

Here are some questions to discuss:

There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?
Why is it that girls and men are so ashamed when they've been raped? Why is it such a taboo subject? Should it be talked about more than it already is?
Are the forms of awareness that we're using now working?

Anything else that people want to throw in, go ahead. I only ask that people are respectful and think before you speak, because there may be survivors and victims reading this, and I don't want to be responsible for anything too traumatic. This is a safe space. If you don't have something nice or productive to say, don't say it at all.

This is why I support capital punishment[the death penalty].
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Postby Homosexy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:08 pm

Vitius wrote:
Homosexy wrote:He did say that that petition wasn't going to help anything. I'm saying he's wrong.

And I didn't flame anyone.

Saying that you think he's an ass, replying from the chat thread and most likely not giving him notification of it so that he can provide a counter-argument would probably be at least mild flaming, though I suppose it's not my place to get involved.

That being said, Vitius awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

I do believe that my wording makes it not flaming. He said in the chat thread that he gave up on trying not to sound like an ass. I affirmed that he sounds like an ass.
Um I put in the chat thread that I was moving the conversation here. I gave a link and everything, because I didn't want to spam the shit out of the chat thread with my argument. Sooo... both of the points here are invalid. :]
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:12 pm

Homosexy wrote:Last Saturday, I became a victim and now a survivor of a rape.

Why is it that girls and men are so ashamed when they've been raped? Why is it such a taboo subject? Should it be talked about more than it already is?
Are the forms of awareness that we're using now working?


I fell sorry for you for what happened. Regarding why people are ashamed about talking about it, i believe it is due to the trauma of what happens. I believe that there should be more open discussions about it to help those who suffered to help them recover from their ordeal.

I also belive that the forms of awarness being implemented are not enough and we should do more, i dont know what exactly but something anyway to get the message across more.
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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:15 pm

Vassel wrote:This is why I support capital punishment[the death penalty].

First of all, that is a unjust punishment. Secondly, it encourages rapists to also kill their victim. The death penalty has no use in Rape cases.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:17 pm

The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:
Vassel wrote:This is why I support capital punishment[the death penalty].

First of all, that is a unjust punishment. Secondly, it encourages rapists to also kill their victim. The death penalty has no use in Rape cases.

I agree with that, castrate the motherf**kers... preferably with something sharp.
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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:18 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:First of all, that is a unjust punishment. Secondly, it encourages rapists to also kill their victim. The death penalty has no use in Rape cases.

I agree with that, castrate the motherf**kers... preferably with something sharp.

Illogical and simply a lash out of emotions. They need jail time and rehabilitation. Not mutilating them.

Tell me, are you any better than a Rapist when you start slashing at peoples bodies?
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Postby Kalibarr » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:20 pm

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According to this article, it's an elected position.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:21 pm

The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I agree with that, castrate the motherf**kers... preferably with something sharp.

Illogical and simply a lash out of emotions. They need jail time and rehabilitation. Not mutilating them.

Tell me, are you any better than a Rapist when you start slashing at peoples bodies?


yeah realised what i did there after i posted it, was just angered by the op's post on what happened. And no i wouldnt be any better than a rapist if i did that.
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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:23 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Illogical and simply a lash out of emotions. They need jail time and rehabilitation. Not mutilating them.

Tell me, are you any better than a Rapist when you start slashing at peoples bodies?


yeah realised what i did there after i posted it, was just angered by the op's post on what happened. And no i wouldnt be any better than a rapist if i did that.

Good! I admit, I often get a little emotionally riled from some cases, and suggest imbalanced punishments as well. Just have to work past that, is all
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Postby Pottslande » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:25 pm

my god, all this talk of castration and capital punishment...maybe if we all weren't so violently and 30 seconds instant ramen minded, nobody would be driven to rape.
Honestly, ive never heard anyone talk much about the rapist mindset. Maybe if we understood that better, we could stop this problem once and for all.
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Postby Freelanderness » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:57 pm

The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
yeah realised what i did there after i posted it, was just angered by the op's post on what happened. And no i wouldnt be any better than a rapist if i did that.

Good! I admit, I often get a little emotionally riled from some cases, and suggest imbalanced punishments as well. Just have to work past that, is all

Neither of the penalties will do anything to discourage rape, if the rapists are never tried. Harsher penalties don't reduce crime rates, but greater possibility of getting a punishment does.
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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:04 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Good! I admit, I often get a little emotionally riled from some cases, and suggest imbalanced punishments as well. Just have to work past that, is all

Neither of the penalties will do anything to discourage rape, if the rapists are never tried. Harsher penalties don't reduce crime rates, but greater possibility of getting a punishment does.

Quite.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:09 pm

Hey folks - a gentle reminder that especially in sensitive and heated (for very good reason) discussions, we still need to be mindful of the words we use, and try to be responsible in how we use them. While I in no way excuse rape in any form, I can't condone the sort of brutal, knee-jerk commentary that is screaming for law-breaking reactions. Site rules. I'm not sure an atmosphere of revenge is terribly healthy as opposed to one of seeking justice for what has been done to far, far too many. The two are not necessarily synonymous.

So please. Think before you post. Thanks.

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Postby Person012345 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:20 pm

Vitius wrote:
Homosexy wrote:He did say that that petition wasn't going to help anything. I'm saying he's wrong.

And I didn't flame anyone.

Saying that you think he's an ass, replying from the chat thread and most likely not giving him notification of it so that he can provide a counter-argument would probably be at least mild flaming, though I suppose it's not my place to get involved.

That being said, Vitius awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

She said she thought he was acting like an ass. That's completely different.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:21 pm

Pottslande wrote:my god, all this talk of castration and capital punishment...maybe if we all weren't so violently and 30 seconds instant ramen minded, nobody would be driven to rape.
Honestly, ive never heard anyone talk much about the rapist mindset. Maybe if we understood that better, we could stop this problem once and for all.

The rapist mindset is one of control and domination. Done, easy enough to understand eh?
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Postby Person012345 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:31 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Pottslande wrote:my god, all this talk of castration and capital punishment...maybe if we all weren't so violently and 30 seconds instant ramen minded, nobody would be driven to rape.
Honestly, ive never heard anyone talk much about the rapist mindset. Maybe if we understood that better, we could stop this problem once and for all.

The rapist mindset is one of control and domination. Done, easy enough to understand eh?

Pretty much this. Although I'm not really sure that sums it up completely, it does a decent enough job.

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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:37 pm

Pottslande wrote:my god, all this talk of castration and capital punishment...maybe if we all weren't so violently and 30 seconds instant ramen minded, nobody would be driven to rape.
Honestly, ive never heard anyone talk much about the rapist mindset. Maybe if we understood that better, we could stop this problem once and for all.

PLease let's NOT make it about how the poor rapist couldn't be responsible for his despicable crimes.

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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:39 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Pottslande wrote:my god, all this talk of castration and capital punishment...maybe if we all weren't so violently and 30 seconds instant ramen minded, nobody would be driven to rape.
Honestly, ive never heard anyone talk much about the rapist mindset. Maybe if we understood that better, we could stop this problem once and for all.

PLease let's NOT make it about how the poor rapist couldn't be responsible for his despicable crimes.

I'm not sure where Pottslande implied that.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:44 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Pottslande wrote:my god, all this talk of castration and capital punishment...maybe if we all weren't so violently and 30 seconds instant ramen minded, nobody would be driven to rape.
Honestly, ive never heard anyone talk much about the rapist mindset. Maybe if we understood that better, we could stop this problem once and for all.

The rapist mindset is one of control and domination. Done, easy enough to understand eh?


It is more than that. After all, certain fetishes are about control and domination. Yet those happen with consent.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:46 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The rapist mindset is one of control and domination. Done, easy enough to understand eh?


It is more than that. After all, certain fetishes are about control and domination. Yet those happen with consent.

So sociopathy also?
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:48 pm

The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:
Katganistan wrote:PLease let's NOT make it about how the poor rapist couldn't be responsible for his despicable crimes.

I'm not sure where Pottslande implied that.

I've stated before I don't think maiming or killing rapists is the answer. I may be reading it wrong but I don't want to understand his mindset. Understanding someone is sometimes a pretext for having sympathy for them -- and I haven't any for this person.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:50 pm

Katganistan wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:I'm not sure where Pottslande implied that.

I've stated before I don't think maiming or killing rapists is the answer. I may be reading it wrong but I don't want to understand his mindset. Understanding someone is sometimes a pretext for having sympathy for them -- and I haven't any for this person.

Actually, understanding in the case causes me to revile rapists even more but meh...
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Postby Person012345 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:04 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:It is more than that. After all, certain fetishes are about control and domination. Yet those happen with consent.

It's a different type of control and domination. Rape is more about having power than control per se. Although it both comes under the heading of domination and they still want control. And it obviously varies from person to person.
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Postby Person012345 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:06 pm

Katganistan wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:I'm not sure where Pottslande implied that.

I've stated before I don't think maiming or killing rapists is the answer. I may be reading it wrong but I don't want to understand his mindset. Understanding someone is sometimes a pretext for having sympathy for them -- and I haven't any for this person.

Understanding what someone thinks and feels and why they think and feel it is a necessary component if we want to try and stop it happening in the future.

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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:15 pm

Katganistan wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:I'm not sure where Pottslande implied that.

I've stated before I don't think maiming or killing rapists is the answer. I may be reading it wrong but I don't want to understand his mindset. Understanding someone is sometimes a pretext for having sympathy for them -- and I haven't any for this person.

Well, if you refuse to understand things, you get nowhere. All of our advancements as a species have come from understanding things. Most of the hate comes from not understanding things correctly.

I don't see why you jumped the gun when you heard that.
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