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Postby Napkiraly » Sat May 04, 2013 1:20 pm

Shellinameow wrote:http://register-her.com

.... what the fuck....

I didn't click on the link because I'm afraid of the asshatery, but please don't tell me that's a false accusation site.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat May 04, 2013 1:23 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Shellinameow wrote:http://register-her.com

.... what the fuck....

I didn't click on the link because I'm afraid of the asshatery, but please don't tell me that's a false accusation site.

Um, from what I remember, it's a site where people can label those accusing others of rape as liars (and I presume degrade her for being a "whore" or a "slut" who wanted to ruin someone else's life because girls).
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat May 04, 2013 1:23 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I didn't click on the link because I'm afraid of the asshatery, but please don't tell me that's a false accusation site.

Um, from what I remember, it's a site where people can label those accusing others of rape as liars (and I presume degrade her for being a "whore" or a "slut" who wanted to ruin someone else's life because girls).

*sigh* just....*sigh*

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Postby Shellinameow » Sat May 04, 2013 1:24 pm

I'm gonna throw up. >_>

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sat May 04, 2013 1:24 pm

Shellinameow wrote:I'm gonna throw up. >_>

:( :hug:

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat May 04, 2013 1:25 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Um, from what I remember, it's a site where people can label those accusing others of rape as liars (and I presume degrade her for being a "whore" or a "slut" who wanted to ruin someone else's life because girls).

*sigh* just....*sigh*

Yep. Sad. I think I heard about this on the MRA wiki actually. Just... not even the infinite facepalm to the power of infinity plus one is enough for this one.
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Postby Corrian » Sat May 04, 2013 1:46 pm

It is like that awful site I heard about recently that allows you to put your picture up on it and have people rate your appearance. That whole concept just seems wrong to me....
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 04, 2013 1:51 pm

I think the site is an incredibly stupid idea.
Even if someone were convicted of perjury for false rape claims in an actual court of law, the idea of a site up to shame them is just malicious.
Whats more, who wants to bet that eventually some lawyer will decide to use this in their argument.
"Why are you listed on this site?"
"Are you lying this time too?"
etc.

If someone is convicted of perjury, it's on their record. They'll have trouble convincing a court if the evidence doesn't fit their accusations a second time. In addition, it opens them up to civil action and lawsuits for defamation of character etc.
That, in my opinion, is sufficient. We don't need any more defenses against false rape claims, since the defenses inevitably cause fuckups like this site has/will.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 05, 2013 1:56 am

Shellinameow wrote:http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/

What the hell...


Don't see a problem with the article...

Some people are insensitive enough to lie about being raped.

Shellinameow wrote:http://register-her.com

.... what the fuck....


This one really is fucked up, though. I have to question the reliability of their info, and it is really trashy to plaster accusations all over a webpage like that. Sad that someone honestly thought that was the best use of their time to create such a thing...
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Postby Monlyth » Sun May 05, 2013 2:14 am

Shellinameow wrote:http://register-her.com

.... what the fuck....

Personally, I wonder how people could possibly consider making such a site. It seems to me that even murder can be explained easier in comparison to that.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 05, 2013 2:17 am

Monlyth wrote:
Shellinameow wrote:http://register-her.com

.... what the fuck....

Personally, I wonder how people could possibly consider making such a site. It seems to me that even murder can be explained easier in comparison to that.


Depends on the murder.
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Postby New Britannia of America » Sun May 05, 2013 2:19 am

I got raped once. No fun at all; despite what the jackasses say; it was quite terrifying and humiliating.
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Postby Mushet » Sun May 05, 2013 2:55 am

Shellinameow wrote:http://register-her.com

.... what the fuck....

Oh shit, one of those sites

Y'know I was on this topic on another forum and we was talking about "false rape claims" and this fucker linked to this site that I just found disgusting, and the program director of the site was on there and after I said that I thought it was a disgusting rape apologist site he replied to me saying he resented my description and that I was wrong and it was one of the few places where I can find "accurate" information on domestic violence and I'm no better than any other "false accuser", I told him I won't accept it as a source because of their slanted definition, not counting people too drunk to consent, not counting if they just said no or didn't "adequately physically resist", it shouldn't go by words or overt actions rather somebody's "behavior", also that there should be victim blaming and slut shaming in the courtroom, the site was ashamed that rape laws have changed since the 1950s, he didn't reply back :p

Here's what I was reading if anyone wants to take a look at it, doesn't have a very inflammatory tone but some fucked up ideas, granted I didn't read anything else on the site but due to this article I'm not going to believe their skewed citations for rape in anything else on the site looking at their definition: http://www.saveservices.org/falsely-accused/sex-assault/how-rape-laws-remove-the-presumption-of-innocence/

It could be worse but I guess I wasn't expecting that
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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sun May 05, 2013 10:29 am

Shellinameow wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:You might want to make a separate thread on this. Just... WTF?

Right? I might make a separate one. People can talk in here about it if they want as long as nobody's made uncomfortable. We can move it if it gets too hot

Perhaps here might be a more appropriate place for it?

New Britannia of America wrote:I got raped once. No fun at all; despite what the jackasses say; it was quite terrifying and humiliating.

I am very sorry to hear that. :(

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun May 05, 2013 2:42 pm

Have we really decided to talk about "false rape claims" as if they have a shred of relevance in the safe spaces thread?

Yes, they happen, yes, it's shit, no, it doesn't necessarily need to be brought up here.

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Postby Shellinameow » Sun May 05, 2013 2:45 pm

Yaltabaoth wrote:
Shellinameow wrote:Right? I might make a separate one. People can talk in here about it if they want as long as nobody's made uncomfortable. We can move it if it gets too hot

Perhaps here might be a more appropriate place for it?

New Britannia of America wrote:I got raped once. No fun at all; despite what the jackasses say; it was quite terrifying and humiliating.

I am very sorry to hear that. :(

Yeah that'd be good. I just didn't want to start a whole new thread and keep track of it.

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Postby Potenco » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:44 am

I know this isnt something commonly discussed and the stereotype is that all rape is man on woman, but as a victim I feel like opening discussion.

One year ago I was out with a man whom I agreed to perform oral with and nothing more. However he pressured me and eventually forced me to anal with him on the floor of his basement. I mean its not like he had a gun or beat me or anything. I specificaally told him "no" but he did anyways and I was too scared of violence on his part

Following the act, the weirdest thing was my horrible self disgust, my depression and the disassociation I experienced with my body, like I was floating out of it. I have finally begun opening up to my closest friends about the experience and they are generally sympathetic, even though my *****y ex girlfriend didnt (haha)

Now this pertains to the struggle for women, because it was with this moment and the years of hearing borderline rapist-y statements of other men that I understood the extent of rape culture in this country. It isnt a solely white, straight male thing, it affects us all. There is no notion of consent amongst men and I now realize how terrifying the sexual world can be for women especially. If were ever going to try and mount political change, we need to eliminate the mentality of oppression, selfishness and rape if we think were going to effect any real political change.

Rape apologism has to stop too and is one of societies greatest crimes. the notion that if she/he doesent say "no" makes it not rape is a wrong one. Its the belief in rape apologism that had me convinced for 6 months that what happened was my fault and I fucked up.

Its time to have a cultural reversal of values, to create a society of friends in which we beleive in consent of the most genuine kind and in which people have true empathy.
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Postby Nimilia » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:45 am

You have my sympathies and you should report this person.

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Postby Neo Art » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:47 am

While I certainly appreciate the difficulty of the situation, you haven't really given us an idea of what this thread is supposed to discuss. There are many places online where you can tell your stories, NSG doesn't tend to be one of them.
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Postby TaQud » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:47 am

My condolences.
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Postby Nore Empire » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:49 am

TaQud wrote:Your OP seems bloggish. The Mods dont like bloggish threads.


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They had an ACTUAL blog going here, but they have my sympathy, and GO YOU FOR NOT KILLING YOURSELF! :) Happy for ya'!

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Postby Potenco » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:49 am

Neo Art wrote:While I certainly appreciate the difficulty of the situation, you haven't really given us an idea of what this thread is supposed to discuss. There are many places online where you can tell your stories, NSG doesn't tend to be one of them.


I suck ass with OPs. I suppose I think that there should be a discussion of the best strategies to prevent rape in our culture and reverse the cultural mindset which is surpisingly OK with rape. It could segway into a discussion of any kind. Im not looking for any real sympathy, ive received that from my awesome friends.
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Postby Nailed to the Perch » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:49 am

I'm really sorry you went through that, and glad you're finding supportive friends to talk to about it.
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Postby Two Spirits » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:50 am

I 100% absolutely agree with you. And I'm sorry this happened to you.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:50 am

Sorry about that dude. That really sucks. :(

Since I'm not there in person or anything, I can only give you e-hugs. So have one on me: :hug:
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