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Postby Maldorainia » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:51 pm

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Maldorainia wrote:Yes, such things are counter-productive and could backlash against people and even hurt Shellby and her standing.

Awareness, yes. But we don't want it to get this overblown, hence my worries of making the problem much, much worse. I wouldn't want someone to be charged with harassment or something like that just because they're angry about the DA not taking the case.


Exactly, fully agree with that. Some people, in their sincere wish to help, do take things to far, and so awareness is key.
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Postby Freelanderness » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:53 pm

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Yes, drawing attention is a good idea, especially if it makes the people handling the case review what they did and go back over everything again. The media and feminist groups would be able to pressure such a move in a peaceful way.

Unless the DA's office full of dicks. Like in this case. They ignored the petition.

How many signatures did we end up with? If we can get a major blog to post it... it'll be all over the internet in hours.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:57 pm

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The Republic of Lanos wrote:Unless the DA's office full of dicks. Like in this case. They ignored the petition.

How many signatures did we end up with? If we can get a major blog to post it... it'll be all over the internet in hours.

I don't remember, but still, caution. I would love the DA to take the case. I would not love the DA, despite being a total dick, getting death threats in the mail because someone didn't know any better.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:05 pm

One way to help push the case could be snail-mailing letters to the DA's office demanding that he see to it that justice is done and the case given its day in court. A digital petition can be really easy to ignore. Mail bins full of letters with postmarks from all over the place, a bit more difficult. Also, writing letters to local or state politicians might help bring pressure on the DA, especially if the media catches hold of it.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:02 am

I think you can still sue your rapist for civil damages.
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Postby Brickistan » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:28 am

Reploid Productions wrote:One way to help push the case could be snail-mailing letters to the DA's office demanding that he see to it that justice is done and the case given its day in court. A digital petition can be really easy to ignore. Mail bins full of letters with postmarks from all over the place, a bit more difficult. Also, writing letters to local or state politicians might help bring pressure on the DA, especially if the media catches hold of it.


Another way would be to raise a stink in the mainstream media – if that’s even possible. Or on YouTube if not. Sad but true... Right now you’re just a nobody caught in the system – who cares? But once you’ve gotten on the evening news, suddenly you’re very important to everyone.

Of course, the flipside is that you’ll have to cry your heart out in front of the whole world. Not the most pleasant thing to do, I would imagine. But it might help to raise awareness, not just for your case, but for all such cases.


Yeah, it really sucks that such “happenings” are necessary, but that seems to be the way we have structured the world around us these days...

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Postby The Republique Dardania and Gazmania » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:19 am

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Reploid Productions wrote:Of course, the flipside is that you’ll have to cry your heart out in front of the whole world. Not the most pleasant thing to do, I would imagine. But it might help to raise awareness, not just for your case, but for all such cases.


You’re right, the media attention maybe the most difficult part of it all, and I don’t know how she would feel about going through the whole ordeal (telling her story) in front of cameras. But it’s still a great idea anyway, just for the sheer fact that she’ll be exposing the DA for being what he really is –Incompetent.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:27 am

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Reploid Productions wrote:One way to help push the case could be snail-mailing letters to the DA's office demanding that he see to it that justice is done and the case given its day in court. A digital petition can be really easy to ignore. Mail bins full of letters with postmarks from all over the place, a bit more difficult. Also, writing letters to local or state politicians might help bring pressure on the DA, especially if the media catches hold of it.


Another way would be to raise a stink in the mainstream media – if that’s even possible. Or on YouTube if not. Sad but true... Right now you’re just a nobody caught in the system – who cares? But once you’ve gotten on the evening news, suddenly you’re very important to everyone.

Of course, the flipside is that you’ll have to cry your heart out in front of the whole world. Not the most pleasant thing to do, I would imagine. But it might help to raise awareness, not just for your case, but for all such cases.


Yeah, it really sucks that such “happenings” are necessary, but that seems to be the way we have structured the world around us these days...
It's a start, but what usually helps is having a legal effort behind the public campaign as well, one that is adept at digging up dirt on the DA. If her case has been ignored to this extent, chances are this isn' thte first time it has happened, and re-election can be such an uphill battle when it turns out the DA is really no better than rapist scum in the first place.
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Postby Freelanderness » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:33 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:One way to help push the case could be snail-mailing letters to the DA's office demanding that he see to it that justice is done and the case given its day in court. A digital petition can be really easy to ignore. Mail bins full of letters with postmarks from all over the place, a bit more difficult. Also, writing letters to local or state politicians might help bring pressure on the DA, especially if the media catches hold of it.

Let's do it then... Will they care if the letters are from other countries?
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Postby Maldorainia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:19 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:One way to help push the case could be snail-mailing letters to the DA's office demanding that he see to it that justice is done and the case given its day in court. A digital petition can be really easy to ignore. Mail bins full of letters with postmarks from all over the place, a bit more difficult. Also, writing letters to local or state politicians might help bring pressure on the DA, especially if the media catches hold of it.

Let's do it then... Will they care if the letters are from other countries?


I would think that would worry the DA that the situation has spread so far and wide, so would work for Shellby by applying pressure to the DA I would think.
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Postby Paradox Central » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:28 pm

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Freelanderness wrote:Let's do it then... Will they care if the letters are from other countries?


I would think that would worry the DA that the situation has spread so far and wide, so would work for Shellby by applying pressure to the DA I would think.


There ultimately should be the most from whatever jurisdiction he's (she's?) in, imo, because those are the people the DA would be seeing regularly. He/she is not going to be caring about random strangers from outside the U.S.

Also, re the self-defense thing, I think there should just be a big label somewhere in this thread that says it's a personal and situational decision end of story, and anyone who rants excessively about it should get linked to it.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:47 pm

As far as the situation with the DA, I think a civil suit is a good option. The guy obviously hurt you, no matter how many times he pretends the sex was consensual. He should be paying for it one way or another. If he's not paying for it by serving a prison sentence, he should be paying the medical bills and whatnot.

If you want us to try the snail mail idea, I could throw something in the mail when my street gets plowed. Right now I have about a foot of snow on my street and we are supposed to get about another foot before it stops.
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Postby Damanucus » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:43 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:
Brickistan wrote:
Another way would be to raise a stink in the mainstream media – if that’s even possible. Or on YouTube if not. Sad but true... Right now you’re just a nobody caught in the system – who cares? But once you’ve gotten on the evening news, suddenly you’re very important to everyone.

Of course, the flipside is that you’ll have to cry your heart out in front of the whole world. Not the most pleasant thing to do, I would imagine. But it might help to raise awareness, not just for your case, but for all such cases.


Yeah, it really sucks that such “happenings” are necessary, but that seems to be the way we have structured the world around us these days...
It's a start, but what usually helps is having a legal effort behind the public campaign as well, one that is adept at digging up dirt on the DA. If her case has been ignored to this extent, chances are this isn' thte first time it has happened, and re-election can be such an uphill battle when it turns out the DA is really no better than rapist scum in the first place.

I would probably be a little careful as to the digging up of dirt. If you go down that path, you want to demonstrate a history of habitually dropping cases such as this, as this can require the DA to have to stand and explain their actions. You start digging up random dirt, and all you're going to do is hang their dirty laundry from office windows.

Reploid Productions wrote:One way to help push the case could be snail-mailing letters to the DA's office demanding that he see to it that justice is done and the case given its day in court. A digital petition can be really easy to ignore. Mail bins full of letters with postmarks from all over the place, a bit more difficult. Also, writing letters to local or state politicians might help bring pressure on the DA, especially if the media catches hold of it.

I agree, Rep. You can very easily hit the "Delete" button with a digital petition. With a paper petition, or a letter-writing campaign, they have to pull the letter out and read it before deciding whether the petition/letter is worth the time, unless they have a habit of burning anything without a recognised official letterhead on it.

Shellby, I would probably take Rep's suggestion, and have the DA's business address put up on your site so that people can write a letter campaigning for the case to be taken up. Every time someone is allowed to go free because of an ambivalent DA, it's another success for social inequality. And the world will never be able to progress while the aspiration of equality remains little more than a dream laughed off as impossible by those unwilling to change anything.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:22 am

I'm hoping that this isn't too old to be a gravedig, I just figured this was the right place to share.

About... A month ago, I was raped. I was raped by a girl who I thought was a very good friend of mine, but I know I can't do anything about it. All I can really say is that I went to her house, we got high (and that's why I can't speak up) and then she told me I can either have sex with her or get the fuck out. Wouldn't have been a problem, but she was paying for the gas money for me to get home. So I had to comply. And now, this is the first time I've spoken up about it.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:23 am

Condunum wrote:I'm hoping that this isn't too old to be a gravedig, I just figured this was the right place to share.

About... A month ago, I was raped. I was raped by a girl who I thought was a very good friend of mine, but I know I can't do anything about it. All I can really say is that I went to her house, we got high (and that's why I can't speak up) and then she told me I can either have sex with her or get the fuck out. Wouldn't have been a problem, but she was paying for the gas money for me to get home. So I had to comply. And now, this is the first time I've spoken up about it.

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Individuality-ness wrote:
Condunum wrote:I'm hoping that this isn't too old to be a gravedig, I just figured this was the right place to share.

About... A month ago, I was raped. I was raped by a girl who I thought was a very good friend of mine, but I know I can't do anything about it. All I can really say is that I went to her house, we got high (and that's why I can't speak up) and then she told me I can either have sex with her or get the fuck out. Wouldn't have been a problem, but she was paying for the gas money for me to get home. So I had to comply. And now, this is the first time I've spoken up about it.

:hug:

:hug: Thanks.

I have a feeling this is why I've been so aggressive lately.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:28 am

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Individuality-ness wrote::hug:

:hug: Thanks.

I have a feeling this is why I've been so aggressive lately.

Sorry Condy.

And this is why we should teach EVERYONE about consent.
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Condunum wrote: :hug: Thanks.

I have a feeling this is why I've been so aggressive lately.

Sorry Condy.

And this is why we should teach EVERYONE about consent.

I have a feeling she knew I didn't consent...
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Individuality-ness wrote:Sorry Condy.

And this is why we should teach EVERYONE about consent.

I have a feeling she knew I didn't consent...

:( It's still wrong, what she did. People need to be taught not to do that.
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Condunum wrote:I have a feeling she knew I didn't consent...

:( It's still wrong, what she did. People need to be taught not to do that.

Yeah, I know. I just wish people didn't take advantage of others so much, especially using a situation to their advantage.
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Individuality-ness wrote::( It's still wrong, what she did. People need to be taught not to do that.

Yeah, I know. I just wish people didn't take advantage of others so much, especially using a situation to their advantage.

So do I. Humans can be such dicks to one another...
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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:38 am

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Condunum wrote:Yeah, I know. I just wish people didn't take advantage of others so much, especially using a situation to their advantage.

So do I. Humans can be such dicks to one another...

You said it sister.
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Individuality-ness wrote:So do I. Humans can be such dicks to one another...

You said it sister.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:15 am

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Condunum wrote:You said it sister.

Sorry it happened to you. Hope you are doing ok.

I'm not, but it's getting easier to deal with slowly.
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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:18 am

Condunum wrote:I'm hoping that this isn't too old to be a gravedig, I just figured this was the right place to share.

About... A month ago, I was raped. I was raped by a girl who I thought was a very good friend of mine, but I know I can't do anything about it. All I can really say is that I went to her house, we got high (and that's why I can't speak up) and then she told me I can either have sex with her or get the fuck out. Wouldn't have been a problem, but she was paying for the gas money for me to get home. So I had to comply. And now, this is the first time I've spoken up about it.


I'm so sorry you experienced that Condunum, it's fucking despicable to be put in a situation like that.

Thank you for sharing with us. :hug:

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