Rape Thread [SAFE SPACE - Mod Enforced]

[JuNii]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

if you don't mind... I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

[The Republique Dardania and Gazmania]

I've signed, sigged it here and shared it on Facebook.

As did I.
Hopefully more people from Facebook will sign.

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Stay strong ...and good luck.

[The UEG-Space Command]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Stay brave, hope everything is going well so far.

[Insignificance]

Why were my posts deleted? I wasn't trolling Shellby. I was sticking up for her.

I can't remember exactly what I said, but I know it ended with me saying that I hoped your D.A. saw sense. That is one post of mine that has been deleted, and I am sure there are others. Why though? They were supporting Shellby by using logic to take down that troller. I don't see why they were deleted. If they weren't deleted, could someone please show me where they are as I cannot see them.

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Aww... I wish you well for that. You're a strong woman. I'm here to support you. Stay strong, as I know you are. My name is Adrian by the way, Shellby.

[Galborg]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

All the best of luck honey.

Good luck, Shellby.

[Creative Vikings]

What's the relevance of Fairfield in the USA?
We have one here, it's a Primary School in the larger town, Levin, south off the hill and cross the banks.

[San-Silvacian]

I don't believe that I've said that rapists should be set on fire, or fed to animals, or even executed. I believe I said imprisonment.
Maybe we both got testier than we needed to.

The setting on fire was me. *raises hand*

"I love the burning flesh in the morning...

Smells like..."

"Justice"

"YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH"

If anything here offended anyone or broke the rules, I'm sorry x.x

[Damanucus]

I am just slightly curious, how do you define rape and sexual assault differently?

Well, the definition I go from (which likely may differ from the the legal one) is that rape is sexual assault + vaginal or anal penetration (whether it's a woman being penetrated, or a guy being forced to do the penetrating,) while sexual assault is basically all other forms of unwanted/forced sexual play such as genital stroking, oral (though I think oral probably should be counted under rape,) fondling of breasts, buttocks, or the genitals, and so on.

Hmmm. Seems everyone will have a different separation between those two terms. To me, sexual assault is an umbrella term for rape and molestation (both of which have pretty clear definitions). It's a "take as will" for those types of things.

But to get back to your original point, Rep, there should be more of a focus on "Did she say yes whilst able to do so?" as that does seem to be lost in the whole teaching about what constitutes rape. Consent, in the legal context, means a lot more than "agreement", as the dictionary confers; it does extend itself to the degree of understanding. If someone doesn't fully understand the situation, then they aren't in a place to consent, thereby voiding any concept of agreement. Similarly, if they understand the situation, but have not provided explicitly (note the usage) the consent required for the act to continue, then...well, I think we have completely discussed that.

Additionally, though, we do need to promote a more open dialogue for victims of sexual assault. It has been stated earlier (I think by Shellby) that a lot of victims do not come forward, because they feel frightened or intimidated; they also do not come forward because they feel they may be telling on someone who care for them. I remember reading somewhere that the majority of sexual assaults are committed by someone familiar to the victim, and they do not come forward because either the abuser has intimidated them or they feel bad about "dobbing" on the abuser.

However, if that occurs, we also need to make sure they are familiar with the serious nature of a claim of sexual assault, and the flow-on effects that precipitate from such a claim. (Yes, I know, it seems like I'm blowing my entire debate out of the water; believe me, I'm trying not to.) Some people—the more malicious, obviously—may use a claim of sexual assault to cause emotional harm to people (i.e. damage their career, marriage, reputation, life), even though the actual act did not occur, or was precipitated by a physical influence not the alleged assailant's (especially of the victim's doing).

(BTW, I did find some stats, courtesy of RAINN: 2/3 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim, more than half of which are friends or acquaintances. But we have to remember as well that these statistics may be understated, because of the low likelihood of a sexual assault being reported to, well, anyone.)

[Galborg]

Some people—the more malicious, obviously—may use a claim of sexual assault to cause emotional harm to people (i.e. damage their career, marriage, reputation, life), even though the actual act did not occur, or was precipitated by a physical influence not the alleged assailant's (especially of the victim's doing).

(BTW, I did find some stats, courtesy of RAINN:

Do you have stats of how often malicious false accusations occur?

She said "Yes" at the time and now she is pretending that she said "No" at the time. is a valid defence.

I do not have the stats, but I guess the Barrington defence is more frequent: She was wearing clothes = she was asking for it., or She was walking in the street = she was asking for it. or She was sitting in her house = she was asking for it. or He bent over to pick up the soap = he was asking for it.

[JuNii]

What's the relevance of Fairfield in the USA?
We have one here, it's a Primary School in the larger town, Levin, south off the hill and cross the banks.

that's where she was attacked.

http://justiceforjanedoe.com/

[Saiwania]

I've come across this thread relatively late and haven't been able to comment until now from being distracted by real life and for that, I apologize.

I wish Shellby a full recovery from this horrendous ordeal and I will definitely be signing her petition to try to help in her pursuit of justice. Best of luck to her. But I do not understand why the DA wouldn't prosecute the case if there is enough evidence to convict. It should definitely go forward regardless of how many signatures, if that is the situation.

EDIT: I finished signing the petition, I was the 600th person to sign. The only reason why my signature isn't public is because Change.org's privacy policy stated that my physical address would be exposed for all to see, if I consented to displaying my signature publicly; and I can't risk that when I am not the owner and only live there.

[Damanucus]

Do you have stats of how often malicious false accusations occur?

She said "Yes" at the time and now she is pretending that she said "No" at the time. is a valid defence.

I do not have the stats, but I guess the Barrington defence is more frequent: She was wearing clothes = she was asking for it., or She was walking in the street = she was asking for it. or She was sitting in her house = she was asking for it. or He bent over to pick up the soap = he was asking for it.

There aren't that many statistics out there, at least that I could find. One site has stated that 8-12% of state prisoners in the U.S. are wrongfully convicted. That's in general, mind you, and not specifically sexual assault cases. Wikipedia has stated that about 8-9% of rape claims are false. (Sadly, they also note the great disparity between the results from the various pieces of research conducted.)

There are, however, dictated cases where false claims of rape and molestation have resulted in equally wrongful misdirected retribution. The site "Truth and Justice Denied" details a case on their Wrongful Conviction Statistics page about a father who was accused of molesting his children (he's currently serving an 85-year sentence for the crime he didn't commit). Then there is the New York teacher who was removed from her position a few weeks ago after she was seduced by a student as part of a schoolyard bet. (Okay, yes, a little bit of the blame could be linked towards her, but take into consideration: if you put someone under enough pressure, and they can do anything just to make it stop, even, sadly, what you want them to do.)

It's a sad thing that while sexual assault claims are treated by some with all seriousness, others tend to treat it like it is a weapon or a joke, and it doesn't just harm those accused; it can also make those who are truly attacked less likely to come forward, because their chances of being believed and properly retributed are lowered.

[Creative Vikings]

Well, as a fellow 'rapee' I wouldn't mind signing that petition. Though being in NZ has it's disadvantages, right?

[Wikipedia and Universe]

Even if we do spread the word about males raping other males, I doubt much people would care. Even the FBI say that men can't be victims of rape. There are so many things I want to change in America.

I've got some good news for you.

[SinepBS]

I've signed, sigged it here and shared it on Facebook.

As did I.
Hopefully more people from Facebook will sign.

Unsure if posting the names of literally everyone involved - directly or indirectly - is a wise decision.

[Yaltabaoth]

Well, as a fellow 'rapee' I wouldn't mind signing that petition. Though being in NZ has it's disadvantages, right?

I don't know if a non-US citizen would be counted for the White House petition, but there's no reason you can't sign the first one to the DA. I'm in Australia and I've signed it.
Every signature generates an email to the DA and the Mayor, so you can still help.
(The link's in my sig)

[Creative Vikings]

Well, as a fellow 'rapee' I wouldn't mind signing that petition. Though being in NZ has it's disadvantages, right?

I don't know if a non-US citizen would be counted for the White House petition, but there's no reason you can't sign the first one to the DA. I'm in Australia and I've signed it.
Every signature generates an email to the DA and the Mayor, so you can still help.
(The link's in my sig)

Which number is it?

[The Republique Dardania and Gazmania]

As did I.
Hopefully more people from Facebook will sign.

Unsure if posting the names of literally everyone involved - directly or indirectly - is a wise decision.

No one did.

[Yaltabaoth]

I don't know if a non-US citizen would be counted for the White House petition, but there's no reason you can't sign the first one to the DA. I'm in Australia and I've signed it.
Every signature generates an email to the DA and the Mayor, so you can still help.
(The link's in my sig)

Which number is it?

There are two petitions, the first is to the DA + Mayor, the second is to the White House.
They're both clearly labelled, it's a pretty simple site - just click the link to the main page, and there's a big "Sign petition" button on the right under Shellby's photo.
Each petition then has its own page where you enter your details, and there's a check box for "Display my signature publicly" which you can deselect if you don't want your name displayed.

[Creative Vikings]

Which number is it?

There are two petitions, the first is to the DA + Mayor, the second is to the White House.
They're both clearly labelled, it's a pretty simple site - just click the link to the main page, and there's a big "Sign petition" button on the right under Shellby's photo.
Each petition then has its own page where you enter your details, and there's a check box for "Display my signature publicly" which you can deselect if you don't want your name displayed.

And it will count despite my citizenship?

[Wikipedia and Universe]

There are two petitions, the first is to the DA + Mayor, the second is to the White House.
They're both clearly labelled, it's a pretty simple site - just click the link to the main page, and there's a big "Sign petition" button on the right under Shellby's photo.
Each petition then has its own page where you enter your details, and there's a check box for "Display my signature publicly" which you can deselect if you don't want your name displayed.

And it will count despite my citizenship?

Yes, since unlike the White House petition, Change.org is non-governmental.

[SinepBS]

Unsure if posting the names of literally everyone involved - directly or indirectly - is a wise decision.

No one did.

Er, check the petition site.

[Genomita]

First of all I'd like to apologize for not responding to this thread earlier. I can only imagine how painful and terrifying it must've been for you, but I'm sure that the bastard who did this to you won't be able to avoid capture for long. I really wish I could do more to heal your wounds, mental and physical, than offering kind words but unfortunately there's little more that I can do.

[Homosexy]

I love you guys.

Just sayin

[The Republic of Lanos]

I love you guys.

Just sayin