America [Abandoned]

[Uzbekibekibekistanstanstan]

Here are some key differences, America has the necessary tools to keep people out of poverty. Some examples of this is our infrastructure. We have roads that lead praticly everywhere. We have a safety net so that the poorest Americans can live out of poverty. Every child is entiteled to an education. In places like The Sudan, most of the population is unnacsesible by road. They have billions of dollars in debt. Since almost the entire country doesn't use the currency, they don't pay taxes. Virtually their only source of income was the oilfields, most of which are now controlled by south Sudan. It is our duty as the richest country in the world to help out all in need.

[Pope Joan]

We want their resources.

And we like to believe that we can create hegemony by aligning different vassal states and are fearful that others such as China may do so; it's a game.

[Lackadaisical2]

Lots of reasons, but what a shitty title for the topic, here I was hoping to expound on this fine nation's virtues.

[Mavorpen]

Lots of reasons, but what a shitty title for the topic, here I was hoping to expound on this fine nation's virtues.

You mean these virtues?

[Yes Im Biop]

Because just like people who think they know best. America feels the need to interfere with EVERYTHING, with no forethought of teh cost.

[Southern United States of America]

Other: Europe will whine at us if we don't pretend to care as much as they pretend to care.

Since most 3rd world countries are 3rd world because of European colonialism, shouldn't they be the ones sending them aid?

[Perennial Singularity]

Ok fair enough. However, if we allow our economy to fall the third world countries will prosper while we die. In the worst case scenario our enemies (North Korea and Middle East ((Iraq and others))) will attack.

As long as we aren't setting up a state presence in other countries, and visa versa, there is nothing in economic theory that would point to helping them at the expense of us, or visa-versa. Basically, if we limit our interaction with other nations to ONLY TRADING (free trading, that is,) then both parties benefit. Trade is a voluntary action to which both parties must agree in order to go through with the deal. Both parties agree because both get something they want. At a simplistic level, a shop owner has milk. I have money. I want the milk more than I want the money. The shop owner wants the money more than I want the milk. Boom. Trade. Both are happy. Shop owner can investment the money in what he/she is good at (buying and managing food stock, perhaps), and the other guy will be able to feed his family (or, invest in his children...)

Stuff like foreign aid is stupid for many reasons. The core fallacy is that the taxes from poor people in rich countries go to the bank accounts of wealthy people in poor countries.

And I don't think I need to state why military intervention is bad...

[Episarta]

The most logicial reason the government does it is because then those nations are more likely to ally with us and/or give us access to their resources. And because our government fears China almost as much as they feared the USSR, and they don't want China spreading it's influence.

I, for one, could not possibly care less though.

[Genivaria]

Wow, that poll isn't biased at ALL.

[Ceannairceach]

Because we have the ability to help our own nation and other nations simultaneously. Why must we choose one or the other?

[Drumm]

because we control the world's economy

I'd give China that spot. Sorry.

lol

[Ceannairceach]

Other: Europe will whine at us if we don't pretend to care as much as they pretend to care.

Since most 3rd world countries are 3rd world because of European colonialism, shouldn't they be the ones sending them aid?

No, most third world countries are third world because they chose neither side in the Cold War.
*'x' world traditionalist*

[United Districts of 1]

Because America is inhabited primarily by humans who, by and large, are not sociopaths?

This

[Excessive Violence]

You care because they have oil. Otherwise you don't care.

[United Districts of 1]

Wow, that poll isn't biased at ALL.

Yea, no "Because the US government is generally benevolent and Americans aren't solely propelled by greed" option,

[Ravineworld]

Because our country is a lost cause.
When out of 300 million people, we elect a dumb hick republican from Texas, not just once, but twice, there's clearly a problem.

[Yes Im Biop]

You care because they have oil. Otherwise you don't care.

Saddey this is more or less true

[Communist Cyrodiil]

They care about third world countries because they are Real American Heroes who fight for freedom wherever their is trouble. America protects smaller countries from oppression and disaster as a noble duty to the world.

[Corporate Councils]

because we control the world's economy

I'd give China that spot. Sorry.

Yes given their overall smaller GPD, income per capita, and history of trading with others in a fair and open manner?

[Divair]

I'd give China that spot. Sorry.

Yes given their overall smaller GPD, income per capita, and history of trading with others in a fair and open manner?

You think any of those matter?

If China decided to suddenly turn completely isolationist overnight, the entire world would be plunged into a depression worse than the Great Depression. Poverty and unemployment would rise sharply. Resource prices would shoot through the roof. Multiple countries would completely collapse.

China controls the world whether we like it or not.

[Corporate Councils]

Yes given their overall smaller GPD, income per capita, and history of trading with others in a fair and open manner?

You think any of those matter?

If China decided to suddenly turn completely isolationist overnight, the entire world would be plunged into a depression worse than the Great Depression. Poverty and unemployment would rise sharply. Resource prices would shoot through the roof. Multiple countries would completely collapse.

China controls the world whether we like it or not.

Yes, the exact same thing would happen if say, the US did it. Also, I doubt that resource prices would go up given that China is a net-importer of resources. That means that given the much lower demand for resources their prices would probably go down. China's economy also couldn't handle such an isolationist maneuver being pretty reliant on other countries to buy their manufactured goods and to sell it energy and food (China imports coal from Australia, grain and meat from the US, and oil from everywhere).

Just because it's an important member of the world's economy, dosen't mean that it controls it.

[Ashmoria]

I wonder out of curiosity... Why are we Americans worried about third world countries when our own is suffering?

because the problems of other countries can easily become our own.

[Aksun]

They sure can. And we can drill for oil here, frankly, I am suprised we do not. We would make a ton of money and pay back our debts here if we just focus on our own country.

[Farnhamia]

They sure can. And we can drill for oil here, frankly, I am suprised we do not. We would make a ton of money and pay back our debts here if we just focus on our own country.

But we do. Domestic production is up and foreign imports are down since 2005. In fact, imports are down below 45%. As for making money, the United States is not a business, nor should it ever be thought of as one.

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[Aksun]

Right now some of the middle eastern countries (Was corrected on Iraq so here) want to do a Jihad or (holy war) against us. If we are helping ourselves instead of other countries, we can boost our defense and let the terrorists be taken care of by our allies actually near the middle east.