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Postby Toradora » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:19 pm

Not sure any state can survive solely on it's own. Texas would come the closest, as they have enough oil, natural gas, agricultural output, and aquifer stores - but it all depends on the disposition of Ft. Hood & Galveston US forces at the time of secession. Also unsure how federal asset / currency freezing would work. I think the state budget is about 30-40% Federal.

There's precedence, but without Federal troops they're easy pickings for an intact Mexico. If Mexico wanted to continue the economic relationship as a client/customer, say - in exchange for El Paso, Texas would be fine. After a while.

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Postby Pyschotika » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:50 pm

Interestingly, Wyoming has been developing their own Currency in the event of a USD crash or utter national blarghansiofdufadfm. Personally, I think any of the states would have as good of a chance as the next - depending on population vs supply. Not to mention, most states would loosely still band together to help keep up with supply and defense. Each state as it's own strength, thing is though there would not be just "one state" that would secede. If a state were to ever secede again, it'd be in a union of states that are geographically close in distance. IE - The South, again. However I am unsure of what State-to-State politics may exist among Southern States.

In other words, I could see regions of states being successful overall vs singular states. Even that coveted ol' Texas.

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Postby The Corparation » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:59 pm

Realistically only Texas and California have the heft to work on the international level. Although California's government needs to get its finances in working order first. That's what we get for electing a governer based purely on the reasoning that having the Terminator be governor will solve all of our then minor problems.
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:29 pm

Alaska has a number of natrual resources that it can exploit in order to remain afloat without the help of the US. The bitter climate also helps for defese.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:15 pm

Minnysota wrote:Minnesota. They have access to a semi-major shipping route via Duluth and Lake Superior. They also have quite a bit of food (I can't remember if they are as large on grain as they were a really long time ago). Lastly, they'd be able to trade with Canada. :3


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Postby Caprecia » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:37 pm

California, because it has easy access to the ocean, a long enough coastline, enough harbours, a sizable population in itself (35 million), and it is not completely surrounded by the United States. Florida is one other state that could function independently mainly because of it's location, same reasons as California, it has easy access to other countries southwards, one border with the United States to the North.

Texas? Although this would be the obvious State for many to become sovereign, I highly doubt Texas could become independent. I just feel it won't function effectively as an independent nation. There are reasons but in the end I guess we're all blinedly making predictions on what we feel make work out. Fact is, all the states have the potential to become sovereign, the question is whether they'd come out successful in doing so.....

Washington State? Another possibility.
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Postby Jafas United » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:39 pm

Any US state can function as a country. Whether they do it successfully is an entirely different matter.

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Postby Avalar » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:44 pm

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Postby JuNii » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:07 am

Christian Democrats wrote:Hawaii.

Thanks for the vote of confidence... I would've agreed 40 or 50 years ago... But decades of mismanagement killed Hawaii's self sustainability. We depend too much on the mainland to be able to go it alone. Our chief exports have been squandered and wasted to the point of non-existence. Our economy, as it stands, is a joke.
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Postby JuNii » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:07 am

Jafas United wrote:Any US state can function as a country. Whether they do it successfully is an entirely different matter.

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Postby Seangoli » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:15 am

Ack barnes wrote:I think Wyoming would be a good country.


Oh God no. It would be an absolute shit hole if it became it's own country, and only a step down from being the total shit hole it currently is. There is practically nothing here worth a damn thing.

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Postby Arumdaum » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:44 am

Jinos wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:California, but it would probably quickly become a satellite of the peoples republic of china and would end up having a horrible command economy because of the communist and would then have a civil war because the far north of the state is quite conservative and right wing so there fore California would be 2 possibly as many as 5 countries.


If you don't know anything about California, then stfu and stop making shit up.

Points of error here.

1. China isn't California's biggest trading partner.
2. China isn't communist.
3. Northern California is much more liberal than Southern or Central California.

He's talking about the far north, which is actually pretty conservative.

But then again, only like 500 people live there.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:46 am

Either Texas or Alaska.
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Postby Arumdaum » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:48 am

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Imota wrote:California by itself is already something like the eighth biggest economy in the world, so I think we'd do alright as our own country.

Compared to the countries of Europe, except perhaps Russia and Ukraine, America is damn huge. We could probably carve up the US into ten or so smaller, functional countries.

The sooner the better. :rofl:

To be honest, I'd actually sort of like it if the Pacific states seceded (+ maybe British Columbia) to make our own country.
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Postby Faeggot » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:49 am

I can imagine any state that gets most of its funds from tourism being able to stay up long enough (like Hawaii), though I couldn't say for certain unless any of them tried it for some time.

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Postby Kazarogkai » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:44 pm

Jinos wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:California, but it would probably quickly become a satellite of the peoples republic of china and would end up having a horrible command economy because of the communist and would then have a civil war because the far north of the state is quite conservative and right wing so there fore California would be 2 possibly as many as 5 countries.


If you don't know anything about California, then stfu and stop making shit up.

Points of error here.

1. China isn't California's biggest trading partner.
2. China isn't communist.
3. Northern California is much more liberal than Southern or Central California.


i was referring not to overall northern California but the far northern California you know the Jefferson area like Shasta Siskiyou, Modoc counties those areas are quite conservative. China is a Communist country or at least they say they are, that was what the Chinese civil war was about learn your history. Also china could become its biggest trade partner, California is a wealthy place becoming friends with California would be advantageous to them. I live in California so you STFU faggot.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:45 pm

All of them. The world economy is beyond the concept of "domestic production."
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Postby Kazarogkai » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:45 pm

Faeggot wrote:I can imagine any state that gets most of its funds from tourism being able to stay up long enough (like Hawaii), though I couldn't say for certain unless any of them tried it for some time.


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Postby Maurepas » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:46 pm

The best bets are probably Texas and California. That said, a lack of capital and an overflow of debt would probably prevent either from really succeeding on their own.

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Postby Arborlawn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:56 pm

I would say Texas or California.

Both have agriculture and manufacturing, as well as business centres. Large population. Both have ports for international trade. Other states are either landlocked, or are too poor in agriculture, manufacturing or business centres.

New York, well, more than likely, the New England states joined together (Which would be exactly what happens) would fair well.
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Postby Korintar » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:01 pm

North Dakota might be able to. It has large oil fields, well developed agriculture, the local national guard units make up a significant percentage of the population. It is one of the few states not experiencing budget problems, has access to trade with Canada, and, during the Cold War, North Dakota would've had the third largest nuclear arsenal on the planet if it seceded.
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Postby Salpae » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:03 pm

California has the nessecary infrastructure, revenue, population, and size to be an independent nation. According to the December 2, 2010 article of Businessweek, if California were a country, it would have the eight-largest economy and be the 34th most populous nation. It definitely has potential, in the unrealistic scenario it ever becomes independent.
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Postby Radiatia » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:06 pm

Britain. I know that it isn't officially a state of the US, but it is basically ruled by them.

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Postby Cameroi » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:21 pm

several of them: california, alaska, hawaii. hawaii WAS a country until america colonized it. though it was a colony (territory) many years before it became a state. every uninstated territory ought to be returned to local soverign autonomy too. then america would be in a morally stronger position to pressure other major powers into doing likewise. such as china with tibet. but i that's getting of the subject. i get carried away some times. dispite lundgrin and ahhhney damd near destroying california's economy, its still one of the strongest on the planet. and, like texas and hawaii, it to, has at verious times in its history, been an indipendent nation.

a pacific rim nation, carved from northern california, oregon, washington state, british colombia, youkon, and alaska, would be a very viable soverign entity, quite likely achieving super power status in its own right in a matter of a very few decades, if not months. the rest of america would be too much hurt by their loss though. america without california and alaska, would probably no longer be able to remain a super power at all.

but giving hawaii back to its indiginous native soverignty wouldn't hurt anybody. and of course that goes for giving american samoa back to soverign samoa too. and granting puerto rico soverign nationhood.

as for texas, why did the u.s. ever anex THEM to begin with? ok jk. mostly.
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