Countries/regions you think should be independent?

[Souseiseki]

Yeah, no idea why we might have negative impressions of Scot Nats.

They aren't Nationalists. Most of the people I know are Torries.

you could be a tory nationalist

you'd be an idiot, but you could be

[Soleichunn]

Kashmir

I support, but we know that both India and Pakistan would just invade anyway, leading to the war we've been trying to avoid since India's independence.

Don't forget Chinese Kashmir (though to be fair, it's only serious use is as a buffer zone).

[Valdehmar]

They aren't Nationalists. Most of the people I know are Torries.

you could be a tory nationalist

you'd be an idiot, but you could be

I was referring to the fact that none of them support independence, none of them like the SNP and they still all hate the English. They are all members of the Scottish Conservative Party while I'm part of the Scottish Nationalist Party and full support independence.

[SD_Film Artists]

you could be a tory nationalist

you'd be an idiot, but you could be

I'm part of the Scottish Nationalist Party and full support independence.

Why?

[Valdehmar]

I'm part of the Scottish Nationalist Party and full support independence.

Why?

I support independence because we have the economy for it, large national support for it and because I believe that we should be given the chance to succeed or fail on our own merits.

[Towers]

Why?

I support independence because we have the economy for it, large national support for it and because I believe that we should be given the chance to succeed or fail on our own merits.

Just because we can does not mean we should.

30% ish isn't what I would call large, it's not even majority.

"Our own merits"? What's that supposed to mean? Was succeeding as a union not enough for you, what have we got to prove?

[Valdehmar]

I support independence because we have the economy for it, large national support for it and because I believe that we should be given the chance to succeed or fail on our own merits.

Just because we can does not mean we should.

30% ish isn't what I would call large, it's not even majority.

"Our own merits"? What's that supposed to mean? Was succeeding as a union not enough for you, what have we got to prove?

Of course it doesn't mean we should, but the desire for independence appears to be slowly growing, and there has always been a niggling part of the country that desires independence. 30% is a massive portion! You'd have to be delusional to not acknowledge that over 2.1 million people are asking for it. Our own merits being our supplies of oil and our (compared to the rest of the UK) booming economy.

We have nothing to prove, I just believe that we should have the opportunity to at least try for independence if the nation should desire it.

[SD_Film Artists]

Just because we can does not mean we should.

30% ish isn't what I would call large, it's not even majority.

"Our own merits"? What's that supposed to mean? Was succeeding as a union not enough for you, what have we got to prove?

Of course it doesn't mean we should, but the desire for independence appears to be slowly growing, and there has always been a niggling part of the country that desires independence. 30% is a massive portion! You'd have to be delusional to not acknowledge that over 2.1 million people are asking for it. Our own merits being our supplies of oil and our (compared to the rest of the UK) booming economy.

We have nothing to prove, I just believe that we should have the opportunity to at least try for independence if the nation should desire it.

But why not unite as a greater entity? Scotland isn't going to have its own seat on the UN Security council. Even if you're a pacifist it's just another example of why being a small country isn't good.

[Sedikal]

You can't divide Britain, China, USA, Serbia, Georgia and many others without them saying you can either.
I'm still intrigued why a Russian does not support Serbia.

Look, I like the Serbs, it's just, they mistreat the Kosovoanezeaniteians. Or whatever. What did Kosovo ever do to Serbia?

Well kosovo is made up of mostly albanians. And as most people know Serbs and albanians don't get along very well. I don't know who started it first but its the way it is. This is coming from a kid how lived in a town on the border with kosovo and the albanians shot the place up all the time

[Souseiseki]

Of course it doesn't mean we should, but the desire for independence appears to be slowly growing, and there has always been a niggling part of the country that desires independence. 30% is a massive portion! You'd have to be delusional to not acknowledge that over 2.1 million people are asking for it. Our own merits being our supplies of oil and our (compared to the rest of the UK) booming economy.

We have nothing to prove, I just believe that we should have the opportunity to at least try for independence if the nation should desire it.

But why not unite as a greater entity? Scotland isn't going to have its own seat on the UN Security council. Even if you're a pacifist it's just another example of why being a small country isn't good.

oh no

not the un security council

[Valdehmar]

But why not unite as a greater entity? Scotland isn't going to have its own seat on the UN Security council. Even if you're a pacifist it's just another example of why being a small country isn't good.

oh no

not the un security council

It's because everyone totally cares if they're not in the UN council.

[SD_Film Artists]

oh no

not the un security council

It's because everyone totally cares if they're not in the UN council.

I added the last part for a reason.

The Scots Nats should consider working together instead of wanting independence just for the sake of it. Since when did small nations have space programs or creating their own military hardware? (again, it's just an example, you could use a non-military one if you'd like)

[Valdehmar]

It's because everyone totally cares if they're not in the UN council.

I added the last part for a reason.

The Scots Nats should consider working together instead of wanting independence just for the sake of it.

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

[SD_Film Artists]

I added the last part for a reason.

The Scots Nats should consider working together instead of wanting independence just for the sake of it.

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

"England having powers over Scotland" Have you not heard of the West Lothian question? And why is racism a good cause for independence? And what do medieval battles have to do with this? I thought SNP supporters were above that sort of fallacy.

[Valdehmar]

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

"England having powers over Scotland" Have you not heard of the West Lothian question? And why is racism a good cause for independence? And what do medieval battles have to do with this? I thought SNP supporters were above that sort of fallacy.

That's a fucking stupid angle of thinking. You classify being sick of a country that has opressed us over the centuries racism? By that logic, the Polish were racist for complaining about being killed by Germans, that doesn't make sense. I'm just going to drop the common example that if a Scottish athlete wins he's British, but if he loses he's Scottish. The government down in London seems to think that we need to be treated the same as them, which is completely unjust and untrue because never once have I seen a parliamentary policy enacted in England that had UK wide effects go down silently and without complaint in my region.

[Souseiseki]

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

"England having powers over Scotland" Have you not heard of the West Lothian question? And why is racism a good cause for independence? And what do medieval battles have to do with this? I thought SNP supporters were above that sort of fallacy.

The West Lothian question? One constitutional mess up after centuries of Scotland having no parliament, while retaining control of defence, nuclear weapons, foreign affairs, etc. etc. etc.

That's your best response?

[Souseiseki]

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

"England having powers over Scotland" Have you not heard of the West Lothian question? And why is racism a good cause for independence? And what do medieval battles have to do with this? I thought SNP supporters were above that sort of fallacy.

i mean if you want to establish that the UK is institutionally unfair to scotland AND england and should be destroyed through being completely overhauled or destroyed through independence then you did a good job i guess. well. you did a half-assed job, but it's the thought that counts. not that that was your thought. but oh fuck it.

[Souseiseki]

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

"England having powers over Scotland" Have you not heard of the West Lothian question? And why is racism a good cause for independence? And what do medieval battles have to do with this? I thought SNP supporters were above that sort of fallacy.

one arguably deliberate constitutional mess up set up by english politicians in their own self-interest

[Souseiseki]

“There is only one clear answer to the West Lothian Question and that is for both Scotland and England to be fully in charge of their affairs by becoming independent and equal nations - that is the best and fairest solution and one that the commission should be able to consider.

“Given the terms of reference of the commission, it is regrettable that none of its members have direct experience or involvement with the devolved administrations.

“SNP MPs already refrain from voting on exclusively English, Welsh and Northern Irish matters, which do not impact on Scotland. This self-denying ordinance stands in stark contrast to Labour, Lib Dem and Tory MPs who, to date, have been happy to impose their will on the other nations of the UK.

[Cromarty]

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

I assume you refer to the Jacobite Rebellions yes?

[Valdehmar]

I fail to see why. They are working towards independence because they are sick of the English. I'm going to suppose that's because England has powers over Scotland that they probably shouldn't have, and because we don't have full control over our own country. Plus, Scotland has never really wanted to be a part of the UK for a while, what do you think we fought them 3 times for?

I assume you refer to the Jacobite Rebellions yes?

I am referring to those, and to the Scottish Wars of Independence.

[SD_Film Artists]

"England having powers over Scotland" Have you not heard of the West Lothian question? And why is racism a good cause for independence? And what do medieval battles have to do with this? I thought SNP supporters were above that sort of fallacy.

That's a fucking stupid angle of thinking. You classify being sick of a country that has opressed us over the centuries racism?

Scotland gets lots of advantages over England such as free university education and free medical prescriptions, Scottish MPs can vote on English matters while English MPs can't vote on Scottish matters (apart from on powers which aren't devolved.) and before Cameron Britain had a Scottish Prime Minister. How is that oppression? I know that Scotland had wars with England but that's just medieval history, and yes it is racism just as it's racist to still call Germans Nazis.

I'm just going to drop the common example that if a Scottish athlete wins he's British, but if he loses he's Scottish.

I could equality cite examples where people have used the Scottish flag/name where the British flag/name would have been more appropriate; your point? I don't agree with that Olympic thing either, but it's hardly "opressionz!!1"

[Valdehmar]

That's a fucking stupid angle of thinking. You classify being sick of a country that has opressed us over the centuries racism?

Scotland gets lots of advantages over England such as free university education and free medical prescriptions, Scottish MPs can vote on English matters while English MPs can't vote on Scottish matters (apart from on powers which aren't devolved.) and before Cameron Britain had a Scottish Prime Minister. How is that oppression? I know that Scotland had wars with England but that's just medieval history, and yes it is racism just as it's racist to still call Germans Nazis.

I'm just going to drop the common example that if a Scottish athlete wins he's British, but if he loses he's Scottish.

I could equality cite examples where people have used the Scottish flag/name where the British flag/name would have been aproupriate; your point? I don't agree with that Olympic thing either, but it's hardly "opressionz!!1"

Are you serious? In the 19th century they placed laws that forbade weapons and kilts and most traditional happenings. They cleared out a huge swathe of our population because they decided that sheep were a better way of making money. If that isn't opression, then I've no idea what is.

[Leepaidamba]

It's because everyone totally cares if they're not in the UN council.

I added the last part for a reason.

The Scots Nats should consider working together instead of wanting independence just for the sake of it. Since when did small nations have space programs or creating their own military hardware? (again, it's just an example, you could use a non-military one if you'd like)

Your space program point is moot. The UK doesn't have a space program and instead cooperates in ESA, which an independent Scotland still can. I have seen small countries have space programs, through cooperation, not through annexation.

[Souseiseki]

Scotland gets lots of advantages over England such as free university education and free medical prescriptions,

Again, this is a result of the selfish machination of English politicians and different "party" platforms.

Scottish MPs can vote on English matters while English MPs can't vote on Scottish matters (apart from on powers which aren't devolved.)

And for ~300 years, there were no devolved powers. The SNP refuses to vote on English matters.

[quite]and before Cameron Britain had a Scottish Prime Minister. [/quote]
Oh what a crock of shit.

How is that oppression?

I won't say Scotland is oppressed, however I will say your implication that England has no powers over Scotland is wrong (INCOMING NAKDOR BEEP BOOP ENGLAND HAS NO POWERS!!!) and your attempt to imply that Scotland is one with the power is either 1) massively ignorant of historical context, 2) deliberately ignoring how the situation came to be, 3) ignoring reserved powers 4) cherry picking, 6) a good argument for independence or 5) all of the above.

or in short

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